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fluharty · 12-17-2002, 02:37 PM

So, how good is Randal Simon? The 300+ career BA looks pretty good. Whats his range like at 1B? Can he dig errant throws from SS/3B out of the dirt? Can he stretch and grab them if their off line? Rameriz and J.Wilson are not alwats acurate to first with their throws. Also, PNC is 320' to RF with a 21 foot wall. Do you think we'll see his HR numbers go up? Thanks.

Hammer755 · 12-17-2002, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by fluharty
So, how good is Randal Simon? The 300+ career BA looks pretty good. Whats his range like at 1B? Can he dig errant throws from SS/3B out of the dirt? Can he stretch and grab them if their off line? Rameriz and J.Wilson are not alwats acurate to first with their throws. Also, PNC is 320' to RF with a 21 foot wall. Do you think we'll see his HR numbers go up? Thanks.

I'm not a Pirates fan, but watched Simon come up through the Braves farm system. I can't comment much on his defense, I think he's probably about an average defensive player. He's always been a decent hitter, but never much of a threat with the longball.

I have no idea how he hit 19 HR last year playing in Comerica Canyon, maybe he started PUMPING IRON!!! He won't draw a walk to save his life, only 13 last year (5 of which were intentional) in 500 PA. He hit 0.301, but had an OBP of only 0.320 and an OPS of 0.779, which is not real good for a first baseman (career 0.305/0.336/0.787).

I really don't see Simon being much of an upgrade over Young, except perhaps in the salary saving department.

fluharty · 12-17-2002, 03:26 PM

I already know his stats, but thanks. I just wated to get an opinion from someone that saw him play fairly regularly the last couple of years.

Hammer755 · 12-17-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by fluharty
I already know his stats, but thanks. I just wated to get an opinion from someone that saw him play fairly regularly the last couple of years.

I did a little research on a baseball forum with a couple of Tigger fans and their opinion of Simon's defense was not very high. They said he plays defense how you would expect someone with his build to play, which is not real well.

toanstrom · 12-17-2002, 03:37 PM

Simon isnt much defensively but offensively he is just a good hitter. He doesnt walk, but was also one of the toughest guys to fan, he's gonna give you a .300 avg, 40 2b, and 90 rbi. As a TIger fan, I think it was a good move for the Pirates.

fluharty · 12-17-2002, 03:44 PM

thanks toanstrom. what about his power? Do you think he can hit 30 HR in a park thats 320 down the RF line with a 21 foot wall?

toanstrom · 12-17-2002, 03:46 PM

Probably no more than 25, for whatever reason he isnt a power hitter despite his build, his swing was actually perfect for Comerica. Which of course ment that the Tigers had to trade their only good pitcher to get another First Baseman.

What do you know about who the Pirates gave up?

fluharty · 12-17-2002, 04:05 PM

Burnside, 25, is a hard throwing lefty (93-94) that got a late start in professional baseball. Some arm problems set him back in 2000, also. He pitched for our AA club this past year and ended up being converted from a started to a reliever. He has a chance to make the team in the pen, depending on how good the tigers bullpen is, but he probably needs a full year at AAA. There's a good chance he'll become a solid lefty reliever in the long run.

Roberto Novoa is a big fellow that throws very hard, sitting at around 96 consistantly. He has struggled with his control, but is young in terms of experience, although he turned out to be 2 years older than expected (23 instead of 21). Should begin the year at low-A this coming year. He has a high upside, but needs to learn control pretty quickly. At 23, he's a little old for A ball.

toanstrom · 12-17-2002, 04:07 PM

Thanks, I guess the trade wasnt as bad for the Tigers as I had initially thought but Simon is a great professional hitter, think a fat John Olerud, without the walks.

CBL-Commish · 12-17-2002, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by toanstrom
Thanks, I guess the trade wasnt as bad for the Tigers as I had initially thought but Simon is a great professional hitter, think a fat John Olerud, without the walks.

Isn't "a fat John Olerud without the walks" kind of like saying someone was a chunky Pamela Anderson with a tiny chest?

Walks are the difference between Olerud being a very average player and Olerud being a repeated All Star.

holyroller · 12-17-2002, 05:04 PM

And walks are the difference between Olerud being a repeated All Star and Simon being a marginal major league player.

twins15 · 12-18-2002, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by toanstrom
Simon isnt much defensively but offensively he is just a good hitter. He doesnt walk, but was also one of the toughest guys to fan, he's gonna give you a .300 avg, 40 2b, and 90 rbi. As a TIger fan, I think it was a good move for the Pirates.

He sounds a lot like David Ortiz, who the Twins just released. Big guy, but more of a doubles hitter than a HR hitter.

toanstrom · 12-18-2002, 12:21 AM

I think he's a lot like Ortiz actually

atomheart · 12-18-2002, 12:45 AM

As a Bucs fan (sigh) I'm pleased with the Simon deal. However, there's no way that the Pirates can get rid of K. Young - so I see them sharing time, with Young playing the late innings.

Anyone want Kevin Young? Anyone? C'mon! Please!

fantom1979 · 12-18-2002, 04:49 AM

I watched Simon for a while here in Detroit. I dont think much of his defense, I dont think he will need to clear a place on the mantle for gold gloves. I think he hits a little more for average and a little less power than David Ortiz. Simon doesnt walk or K much. I wouldnt expect much better power numbers due to the stadium. Comerica isnt that deep to RF and the wind seems to help out to right. I was real dissapointed that we lost him, because I think with D Young, the Tigers could have two .300+ hitters in the lineup. At 27, Simon could still improve, and his $290,000 makes him a no risk situation. I might be a stretch, but he could be the next Luis Gonzalez.

Gonzalez 1998 w/Detroit age 31 at Tiger Stadium
1998 Det 154 547 84 146 35 5 23 71 57 62 12 7 .267 .340 .475 .815

Simon 2002 w/Detroit age 27 at Comerica
2002 Det 130 482 51 145 17 1 19 82 13 30 0 1 .301 .320 .459 .779

holyroller · 12-18-2002, 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by toanstrom
I think he's a lot like Ortiz actually

Once again, the HUGE difference is that Ortiz draws walks and Simon doesn't. I know traditionalists don't think much of walks, but the actual empirical evidence does show that getting on base (gasp) leads to runs. Simon does not get on base and doesn't hit for power. His high average and doubles has given him a career, but he is a very marginal and easily replaceable player.

holyroller · 12-18-2002, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by fantom1979
I might be a stretch, but he could be the next Luis Gonzalez.

Yup, that is a stretch of gigantic proportions.

fantom1979 · 12-18-2002, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by holyroller
Yup, that is a stretch of gigantic proportions.

LOL.. I am a little tired

darkhorse · 12-18-2002, 05:25 AM

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Originally posted by holyroller
I know traditionalists don't think much of walks, but the actual empirical evidence does show that getting on base (gasp) leads to runs.

So as an untraditionalist, you are of the belief that OBP is the forumula for offensive success?

holyroller · 12-18-2002, 03:31 PM

Yup. Pretty simple. You score runs by gettin people on base an driving them home. OBP measures your ability to get on base and SLG measures your ability to drive them home. It's really simple when you think about it.

12-17-2002, 02:37 PM	#1
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	calling all tigers fans! So, how good is Randal Simon? The 300+ career BA looks pretty good. Whats his range like at 1B? Can he dig errant throws from SS/3B out of the dirt? Can he stretch and grab them if their off line? Rameriz and J.Wilson are not alwats acurate to first with their throws. Also, PNC is 320' to RF with a 21 foot wall. Do you think we'll see his HR numbers go up? Thanks.

12-17-2002, 05:04 PM	#11
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	And walks are the difference between Olerud being a repeated All Star and Simon being a marginal major league player. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

12-18-2002, 04:49 AM	#15
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	I watched Simon for a while here in Detroit. I dont think much of his defense, I dont think he will need to clear a place on the mantle for gold gloves. I think he hits a little more for average and a little less power than David Ortiz. Simon doesnt walk or K much. I wouldnt expect much better power numbers due to the stadium. Comerica isnt that deep to RF and the wind seems to help out to right. I was real dissapointed that we lost him, because I think with D Young, the Tigers could have two .300+ hitters in the lineup. At 27, Simon could still improve, and his $290,000 makes him a no risk situation. I might be a stretch, but he could be the next Luis Gonzalez. Gonzalez 1998 w/Detroit age 31 at Tiger Stadium 1998 Det 154 547 84 146 35 5 23 71 57 62 12 7 .267 .340 .475 .815 Simon 2002 w/Detroit age 27 at Comerica 2002 Det 130 482 51 145 17 1 19 82 13 30 0 1 .301 .320 .459 .779 __________________

12-18-2002, 03:31 PM	#20
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Yup. Pretty simple. You score runs by gettin people on base an driving them home. OBP measures your ability to get on base and SLG measures your ability to drive them home. It's really simple when you think about it. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

12-17-2002, 03:26 PM	#3
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	I already know his stats, but thanks. I just wated to get an opinion from someone that saw him play fairly regularly the last couple of years.

12-17-2002, 03:37 PM	#5
toanstrom Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 277	Simon isnt much defensively but offensively he is just a good hitter. He doesnt walk, but was also one of the toughest guys to fan, he's gonna give you a .300 avg, 40 2b, and 90 rbi. As a TIger fan, I think it was a good move for the Pirates.

12-17-2002, 03:44 PM	#6
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	thanks toanstrom. what about his power? Do you think he can hit 30 HR in a park thats 320 down the RF line with a 21 foot wall?

12-17-2002, 03:46 PM	#7
toanstrom Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 277	Probably no more than 25, for whatever reason he isnt a power hitter despite his build, his swing was actually perfect for Comerica. Which of course ment that the Tigers had to trade their only good pitcher to get another First Baseman. What do you know about who the Pirates gave up?

12-17-2002, 04:05 PM	#8
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	Burnside, 25, is a hard throwing lefty (93-94) that got a late start in professional baseball. Some arm problems set him back in 2000, also. He pitched for our AA club this past year and ended up being converted from a started to a reliever. He has a chance to make the team in the pen, depending on how good the tigers bullpen is, but he probably needs a full year at AAA. There's a good chance he'll become a solid lefty reliever in the long run. Roberto Novoa is a big fellow that throws very hard, sitting at around 96 consistantly. He has struggled with his control, but is young in terms of experience, although he turned out to be 2 years older than expected (23 instead of 21). Should begin the year at low-A this coming year. He has a high upside, but needs to learn control pretty quickly. At 23, he's a little old for A ball.

12-17-2002, 04:07 PM	#9
toanstrom Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 277	Thanks, I guess the trade wasnt as bad for the Tigers as I had initially thought but Simon is a great professional hitter, think a fat John Olerud, without the walks.

12-18-2002, 12:21 AM	#13
toanstrom Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 277	I think he's a lot like Ortiz actually

12-18-2002, 12:45 AM	#14
atomheart Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 454	As a Bucs fan (sigh) I'm pleased with the Simon deal. However, there's no way that the Pirates can get rid of K. Young - so I see them sharing time, with Young playing the late innings. Anyone want Kevin Young? Anyone? C'mon! Please!