Ohio State

[andymac]

I think you guys are forgetting that, well, USC almost beat Texas. It isn't like they got blown out or showed that they aren't even in Texas' class or something. The outgained Texas and were only beaten because of one of the best individual efforts of all-time (as well as one of the most bone-headed championship game plays of all-time).

[sebastian0622]

Originally Posted by andymac

I think you guys are forgetting that, well, USC almost beat Texas. It isn't like they got blown out or showed that they aren't even in Texas' class or something. The outgained Texas and were only beaten because of one of the best individual efforts of all-time (as well as one of the most bone-headed championship game plays of all-time).

I'm not forgetting that. But OSU played Texas just as close, and OSU did that with Justin Zwick having more attempts than Troy Smith. Smith was coming off discipline for getting his pockets stuffed by boosters. OSU became an entirely different team after he got into the flow of the offense and took over full-time QB duties.

So, if anything, comparing USC-Texas and OSU-Texas makes things look even better for OSU, IMO. That they both played ND and OSU was a lot more impressive (with Troy Smith by that time, but without their 2nd best defensive player in Bobby Carpenter) just adds to that.

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by andymac

I think you guys are forgetting that, well, USC almost beat Texas. It isn't like they got blown out or showed that they aren't even in Texas' class or something. The outgained Texas and were only beaten because of one of the best individual efforts of all-time (as well as one of the most bone-headed championship game plays of all-time).

And Pete Carrol being the coach is why I feel OSU and Penn State would be able to beat them. His decision on Fourth down is something he would do again. Hell, I am not even concerned about the last one. They had been running all over them for the whole second half. But he also went for it in the first half when they were in Field Goal range. And how many did they lose by?

[Go Tribe]

Penn State would lose to OSU 8 out of 10 times on a neutral field IMO. They looked terrible against a very average FSU team and beat us in a very hostile environment that night.

I don't know why JT allows these night away games every year (the opposing school has to OK it from what i've read). 2003 we go into Madison undefeated after winning the MNC and lose at night after Lee Evans made Chris Gamble look like the converted WR he was. 2004 we go into Evanston undefeated and lose in game in which Mike Nugent missed TWO field goals and either Holmes or Jenkins gator armed a bomb just before regulation ended that would have put us in field position to try to win it (I was there - it was a miserable experience - get to see the Buckeyes lose their first game at NU since 1970). This year we lose to Texas at night (at home) and then lose at Happy Valley at night.

Sucks that it's likely that we were $500 away from playing in the Rose Bowl last night (the money Troy took from the Booster that kept him out of practices and out of the Miami of Ohio game). Had he been able to take all the reps in practice and all the snaps against the RedHawks, I don't think we lose to them.

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

Penn State would lose to OSU 8 out of 10 times on a neutral field IMO. They looked terrible against a very average FSU team and beat us in a very hostile environment that night.

I don't know why JT allows these night away games every year (the opposing school has to OK it from what i've read). 2003 we go into Madison undefeated after winning the MNC and lose at night after Lee Evans made Chris Gamble look like the converted WR he was. 2004 we go into Evanston undefeated and lose in game in which Mike Nugent missed TWO field goals and either Holmes or Jenkins gator armed a bomb just before regulation ended that would have put us in field position to try to win it (I was there - it was a miserable experience - get to see the Buckeyes lose their first game at NU since 1970). This year we lose to Texas at night (at home) and then lose at Happy Valley at night.

Sucks that it's likely that we were $500 away from playing in the Rose Bowl last night (the money Troy took from the Booster that kept him out of practices and out of the Miami of Ohio game). Had he been able to take all the reps in practice and all the snaps against the RedHawks, I don't think we lose to them.

First Florida State is not a bad team. Loook what they did to Viriginia Tech. They have some of the best talent in the whole nation and a coach that wears a head set.

I think Ohio State is evenly matched with Penn State and would probably be about 50-50.

[marc]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

OSU has a great linebacker to help with the speed of Young but their Defensive line got manhandled by the Texas Offensive line.

That defensive line got man-handled to the tune of giving up 112 yards rushing to the #1 rush offense in the Nation.

If these two teams play now on a neutral field It probably goes 5-5. There's a lot of things that OSU did wrong in September and it cost them a possible championship.

There are 2 things that can't be argued about that game, the first is that Vince Young has never taken such a beating in his entire life (if he could see this he would back me up lol), and the second is that Texas was clinging for life from the 2nd quarter until the 3 minute mark of the 4th, OSU's foot was on their throat.


Texas deserved to win that game because when they got into the redzone and had chances to make touchdowns, they made them, OSU didn't, end of story.

Great season for Texas.

[sebastian0622]

No way does PSU beat OSU 5 out of 10 times on a neutral field. Absolutely no friggen' possible way, no how, can't even fathom it.

I really don't like OSU. Ask Marc about my booster comments from the other day. I don't like the program, I suspect it's dirty and has been, and that those former players aren't making stuff up; I don't like Tressel, and I think a lot of the OSU fans think the Big 10 revolves around them. I don't like *THE* (barf) Ohio State University. (BTW, there's a university in Athens, Ohio that is a pretty good place to go to school, ya know? Maybe OSU fans should stop implying disrespect to them. That's classless.)

But give credit where credit is due. They are a hell of a team with Troy Smith in practice and on the field. They beat PSU by 10+ 5 out of 10 times on a neutral field, and win 2-3 more by a closer margin.

[marc]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

Penn State would lose to OSU 8 out of 10 times on a neutral field IMO. They looked terrible against a very average FSU team and beat us in a very hostile environment that night.

I don't know why JT allows these night away games every year (the opposing school has to OK it from what i've read). 2003 we go into Madison undefeated after winning the MNC and lose at night after Lee Evans made Chris Gamble look like the converted WR he was. 2004 we go into Evanston undefeated and lose in game in which Mike Nugent missed TWO field goals and either Holmes or Jenkins gator armed a bomb just before regulation ended that would have put us in field position to try to win it (I was there - it was a miserable experience - get to see the Buckeyes lose their first game at NU since 1970). This year we lose to Texas at night (at home) and then lose at Happy Valley at night.

Sucks that it's likely that we were $500 away from playing in the Rose Bowl last night (the money Troy took from the Booster that kept him out of practices and out of the Miami of Ohio game). Had he been able to take all the reps in practice and all the snaps against the RedHawks, I don't think we lose to them.

I agree. In that same environment at Happy Valley they probably split 10 games with them but on a neutral field, OSU wins 8 out of 10 EASILY.

I'm really looking forward to next season, while the defense will need a few games to gel, the offense should be electric and the schedule is more favorable this year with PSU and Michigan at home, the key will again be the Texas game. If they have VY, it could be very very tough, if they don't I think they go in there and handle their business.


Oh, let me quickly stick up for Gamble though, Evans TD catch was his ONLY catch of the night, Gamble blanketed him the whole damn night and then the backup QB comes in and they run a double move on him and go up top, who in the hell could have seen that coming??

[jerrycapo]

The truth is though that OSU does not get to play PSU ten times a year and in their one shot they didn't win. The polls are not about who has the better team on paper, or which team has gelled the most during the season. They are mostly a reflection of how the team has done throughout the entire season. PSU is probably not the third best football team in the nation, but they played like the third best football team in the nation throughout the year.

All the best,
Jerry

[andymac]

Originally Posted by jerrycapo

The truth is though that OSU does not get to play PSU ten times a year and in their one shot they didn't win. The polls are not about who has the better team on paper, or which team has gelled the most during the season. They are mostly a reflection of how the team has done throughout the entire season. PSU is probably not the third best football team in the nation, but they played like the third best football team in the nation throughout the year.

All the best,
Jerry

I am in complete agreement with this post.

[KurtBevacqua]

I'm a Buckeye, and I think right this moment OSU has the second best team in the country. However, on the field they lost to two teams that had better records than them. And USC lost a classic nail biter to UT and deserves to be considered #2 in the polls because of it. My Bucks should stay at #4. I think they have a better team than Penn State but on the day they had a chance to prove it they laid a turd. Just one of those days. Penn State owns that win and deserves the #3 ranking because of it. We can shoulda, coulda, woulda this thing to death but what counts is what happened on the field.

[marc]

Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

I'm a Buckeye, and I think right this moment OSU has the second best team in the country. However, on the field they lost to two teams that had better records than them. And USC lost a classic nail biter to UT and deserves to be considered #2 in the polls because of it. My Bucks should stay at #4. I think they have a better team than Penn State but on the day they had a chance to prove it they laid a turd. Just one of those days. Penn State owns that win and deserves the #3 ranking because of it. We can shoulda, coulda, woulda this thing to death but what counts is what happened on the field.

Definitely agree. I just disagree with those that say if they played 10 times on a neutral field that PSU wins 5 of them.

[jerrycapo]

Originally Posted by marc

Definitely agree. I just disagree with those that say if they played 10 times on a neutral field that PSU wins 5 of them.

And I am sure there were those that said there was no way Penn St. could beat OSU before the game earlier this year too.

[bigphesta]

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[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by sebastian0622

I don't like *THE* (barf) Ohio State University. (BTW, there's a university in Athens, Ohio that is a pretty good place to go to school, ya know? Maybe OSU fans should stop implying disrespect to them. That's classless.)

the Official name of the school is "The Ohio State University". It's on the their seal



and appears everywhere at the school - they didn't intend it as a slight to other schools but I'm sure that's how some people mean it when they say it with the emphasis on 'The'.

As for a dirty program, the NCAA did a huge investigation and found zero dirt on the football program (not as lucky on the bball side). Mo Clarett was the main reason they were investigated and I think we all know how credible he is at this point. Coach Tressel learned from his dad, a long time coach at Baldwin Wallace in Berea, Ohio. I grew up in Berea - Jim's brother was my 6th grade teacher and high school swim coach - Jim stresses family and faith and I have a very hard time believing he does anything underhanded at all - I don't even think he swears (unlike the sailor Weiss).

That being said, it's undeniable that college boosters have played too big of a part here, as at many other big universities. The money Troy took was from a booster. I would imagine it's very hard for a head coach at any level to stop stuff like this, other than continuously preaching to your boys to make the right choices.

[sebastian0622]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

the Official name of the school is "The Ohio State University". It's on the their seal



and appears everywhere at the school - they didn't intend it as a slight to other schools but I'm sure that's how some people mean it when they say it with the emphasis on 'The'.

Yah, there's a big difference when between someone saying "The Ohio State University" and "THE Ohio State University."

As for boosters and NCAA programs--it's tough. It's like being the CEO of a company. Ultimately, you are responsible for what happens on your watch. And, schools can exercise a lot of power over boosters if they choose to do so--but many are afraid to do so because the various things they could do to "punish" boosters take money out of the school's pockets. Ultimately, it's hard to believe that a school (any school, not just OSU) that has constant problems with boosters has absolutely no idea that it is going on. If that is the case, they need to be more cognizant and more active in holding their boosters to the fire and in getting their eyes in the right places. Basically, any school that consistently claims ignorance over booster actions aren't looking hard enough to see anything.

[marc]

Originally Posted by jerrycapo

And I am sure there were those that said there was no way Penn St. could beat OSU before the game earlier this year too.

Actually most OSU fans were more worried about that game than Texas heading into the season, everyone and their brother knew that PSU would be undefeated going into that game and that the atmosphere at night would be electric.

The game setup perfectly for PSU. At home, at night, biggest game in atleast 5 or 6 years, OSU loses the turnover margin 2 to 0 and they still squeak by. No way do they win on a neutral field.

[marc]

Don't let this come off as me defending Ohio State or saying that taking money from a booster is OK, it's not and it's slowly but surely killing college athletics.

However, at any major school, if a kid comes to campus with his hands out looking for extra benefits, he will probably find them SOMEWHERE, whether a booster or just rich local fans who own car dealerships or whatever. It's like the old saying goes, if you look for trouble, you will surely find it.

Smith got caught up with that idiot Clarett and if I remember correctly, the money was for a phone bill and involved Clarett. Totally stupid and selfish thing to do.

[LegendKiller]

Well the way i look at it is that USC and OSU had about the same strength of schedule. I am an OSU fan, but I believe USC should be two and OSU three(like it is),because USC only lost one game and OSU lost two

[marc]

Originally Posted by LegendKiller

Well the way i look at it is that USC and OSU had about the same strength of schedule. I am an OSU fan, but I believe USC should be two and OSU three(like it is),because USC only lost one game and OSU lost two

Let me strongly agree and strongly disagree with you in the same post, lol.

I agree that USC should be ranked ahead of OSU, I don't think that can even be debated, USC lost 1 game to Texas by 3 and like OSU, had their foot on the Longhorns throat until very late in the 4th.

However, I STRONGLY disagree that they had the same strength of schedule. A lot of the schedule rankings out there had OSU at #1 among ranked teams and top 10 overall. USC, not so much.