What is with .....?

RBLwebguy · 12-30-2005, 07:48 PM

...the desire for a new leagues with current day rosters? They rarely last long and become fictional in a few seasons....

In NARBL now (1995) we are drafting the likes of Manny, Arod, Damon, Martinez etc. Well in past few drafts. Vladdy is available next year. They are all young and starting thier careers.

So many current day leagues pop up and last 3-4 seasons. Sorry I am ranting! Have all the old school GMs gone or have now settled down in long term leagues?

ez_block_kibbie · 12-30-2005, 07:50 PM

anyway i can join your league? sounds great!

sporr · 12-30-2005, 07:51 PM

I'm not sure what it is, but there seems to be a dip right now in available owners. Most of the veteran players are likely in the leagues they want to be in long-term. That leaves very few new owners to fill vacancies. It probably also contributes to the thrill of joining a "real" player league for the new people that do find the game.

ez_block_kibbie · 12-30-2005, 07:54 PM

still would like to join

canadiancreed · 12-30-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sporr

I'm not sure what it is, but there seems to be a dip right now in available owners. Most of the veteran players are likely in the leagues they want to be in long-term. That leaves very few new owners to fill vacancies. It probably also contributes to the thrill of joining a "real" player league for the new people that do find the game.

what he said:

I've found that the old guard as it were, is into more of the leagues that you speak of, but that number is shrinking what with being in leagues long term, and having real life commitments to attend too.

Dont sell the "n00bs" short though. In the DoCBA I had a few new guys that were really good owners and would recommened them to anyone looking for owners.

RBLwebguy · 12-30-2005, 08:19 PM

Newbies make very good GMs, but they seem more attracted to current day rosters. Maybe you are right, it is a changing of the guard so to speak, but we all started somewhere

sporr · 12-30-2005, 08:46 PM

Maelstrom started with current players. Now we're 15 seasons in and probably half-and-half fictional/real players. Generally, though, real-player leagues don't tend to last. As it is now, we have some openings that are taking quite a bit to fill.

Ragin Cajun · 12-30-2005, 09:24 PM

We had the same problem Spoor and before we revamped we were almost all fictional as the "real" players had begun retiring in droves due to the normal passage of time. Most potential owners I contacted passed on a 20 year league due to the lack of modern day rosters. Couldn't fight the uphill battle, tried to fill 5 openings for literally 4 months. Folded up shop today.

canadiancreed · 12-30-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sporr

Maelstrom started with current players. Now we're 15 seasons in and probably half-and-half fictional/real players. Generally, though, real-player leagues don't tend to last. As it is now, we have some openings that are taking quite a bit to fill.

it seems to be that way across the board. There's very few leagues that can say that their openings are filled almost instantanious

jpogue · 12-30-2005, 10:11 PM

I am new to ootpb but I am a very experienced GM in past leagues. I like the current rosters because u can start with players and teams u know and them go from there. I guess being new to ootpb I do not understand the way the database works for adding players based on the real life stats and entry. If I understood that more I might be interested in a long term league like u described.

ukhotstove · 12-30-2005, 10:34 PM

Personally I like the historical and fictional leagues specially if there based in the early 1900's, however I have found out with doing the ad's on here for the ISBL that we have more openings the more the league turns into a fictional league, also we used to fill the openings in like hours now it takes a couple of days or even longer to fill the spots. And when the new OOTP comes out it's going to get harder to fill those spots as new leagues will spring up everywhere and take up most of the GM's wanting to join leagues.

f.montoya · 12-31-2005, 12:08 AM

I guess it depends on when you were born. I noticed that our 1960's historical league has a lot of guys who actually remember the players back in the day. Had OOTP sprung up back then, these guys probably would be the same guys you're talking about now as wanting to get into the leagues with up-to-date rosters...only "up-to-date" would mean 1965.

Psychoholic Slag · 12-31-2005, 12:10 AM

I just started a fictional league, I know what you mean by it being hard to fill. I've asked no less than 50 GMs and I always get "Not real rosters? No thanks" Its very annoying. Its a 12 team league and I've been trying to fill it for 3 days, very disheartening.

RBLwebguy · 12-31-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychoholic Slag

I just started a fictional league, I know what you mean by it being hard to fill. I've asked no less than 50 GMs and I always get "Not real rosters? No thanks" Its very annoying. Its a 12 team league and I've been trying to fill it for 3 days, very disheartening.

Is that the league that was OOTP5 based? If so, you may find it hard pressed as most have bought and moved onto 6.5.

and as mentioned by ukhotstove, once OOTP:BM comes out, a lot of people will be switching to those newer leagues. So older leagues are almost forced to change with the times as well.

Funny thing is, I reinstalled OOTP4 to look at the first files so I could do an historical writeup and man have things changed since then. It was actually funny to look at that version as far as how much the games look and feel changed.

ukhotstove · 12-31-2005, 10:54 AM

RBL is right, older leagues do have to change with the times I know in the ISBL we have had to change to attract GM's to fill openings. We have had to think up different things to add to the league things like winterball for prospects, European league to send your 1* players to see if they improve, prediction competition, article grading and stadium construction amongst others.

Another idea thrown up is to open up a sister league when the new OOTP is brought out and use new rosters with the GM's we have taking different teams so as not to have a clone of the original league, personally not so sure if this is the way to go as it gets harder to fill openings in the original league and in seasons to come the sister league will turn into a fictional league and we will have two leagues which will be hard to fill.

Psychoholic Slag · 12-31-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RBLwebguy

Is that the league that was OOTP5 based? If so, you may find it hard pressed as most have bought and moved onto 6.5.

and as mentioned by ukhotstove, once OOTP:BM comes out, a lot of people will be switching to those newer leagues. So older leagues are almost forced to change with the times as well.

Funny thing is, I reinstalled OOTP4 to look at the first files so I could do an historical writeup and man have things changed since then. It was actually funny to look at that version as far as how much the games look and feel changed.

There are still a few OOTP5 lovers out there. I only need 4 more GMs. I'm getting some new guys to OOTP since they don't have OOTP money, but still want to play OOTP.

Cowboys3356 · 01-01-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RBLwebguy

...the desire for a new leagues with current day rosters? They rarely last long and become fictional in a few seasons....

In NARBL now (1995) we are drafting the likes of Manny, Arod, Damon, Martinez etc. Well in past few drafts. Vladdy is available next year. They are all young and starting thier careers.

So many current day leagues pop up and last 3-4 seasons. Sorry I am ranting! Have all the old school GMs gone or have now settled down in long term leagues?

I think you see so many of these current day roster leagues because most of the new players are high school and college kids who don't know anything about baseball other than current roster so that is what they play.

Also I do think that alot of the veteran players have settled down in established league because when you find finally find a good one, you just stick with it.

mikev · 01-02-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RBLwebguy

...the desire for a new leagues with current day rosters? They rarely last long and become fictional in a few seasons....

In NARBL now (1995) we are drafting the likes of Manny, Arod, Damon, Martinez etc. Well in past few drafts. Vladdy is available next year. They are all young and starting thier careers.

So many current day leagues pop up and last 3-4 seasons. Sorry I am ranting! Have all the old school GMs gone or have now settled down in long term leagues?

For me, as an OOTP newb, its easier to start with current rosters because you're at least familiar with the player names and (relative) skill levels. It basically takes one element out of learning OOTP *shrug*

RBLwebguy · 01-02-2006, 05:55 PM

You would be amazed by the large number of leagues that pop up offering current rosters which are generally started by overzealous people thinking it is easy to start and maintain their own leagues. Many start em and quit it because to do it right, requires a lot of work and time.

Hats off to those that to make it work though as their are some pretty top notch long lasting leagues.

I started this post mainly because of the fustration of having to wait a few extra days to fill an opening

I can't freak out about it as I have to go by "If you build it, they will come" motto. We have some freaking fantastic GMs in all 3 leagues I run or co-run. Many are long time members or returning members.

Long live NARBL, WLB and SO49!

12-30-2005, 07:48 PM	#1
RBLwebguy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 5,162	What is with .....? ...the desire for a new leagues with current day rosters? They rarely last long and become fictional in a few seasons.... In NARBL now (1995) we are drafting the likes of Manny, Arod, Damon, Martinez etc. Well in past few drafts. Vladdy is available next year. They are all young and starting thier careers. So many current day leagues pop up and last 3-4 seasons. Sorry I am ranting! Have all the old school GMs gone or have now settled down in long term leagues?

12-30-2005, 09:24 PM	#8
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	We had the same problem Spoor and before we revamped we were almost all fictional as the "real" players had begun retiring in droves due to the normal passage of time. Most potential owners I contacted passed on a 20 year league due to the lack of modern day rosters. Couldn't fight the uphill battle, tried to fill 5 openings for literally 4 months. Folded up shop today. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

12-30-2005, 10:34 PM	#11
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Personally I like the historical and fictional leagues specially if there based in the early 1900's, however I have found out with doing the ad's on here for the ISBL that we have more openings the more the league turns into a fictional league, also we used to fill the openings in like hours now it takes a couple of days or even longer to fill the spots. And when the new OOTP comes out it's going to get harder to fill those spots as new leagues will spring up everywhere and take up most of the GM's wanting to join leagues. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

12-31-2005, 12:08 AM	#12
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,077	I guess it depends on when you were born. I noticed that our 1960's historical league has a lot of guys who actually remember the players back in the day. Had OOTP sprung up back then, these guys probably would be the same guys you're talking about now as wanting to get into the leagues with up-to-date rosters...only "up-to-date" would mean 1965. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball League ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) Ex-Web Host Current Mod Maker??

12-31-2005, 10:54 AM	#15
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	RBL is right, older leagues do have to change with the times I know in the ISBL we have had to change to attract GM's to fill openings. We have had to think up different things to add to the league things like winterball for prospects, European league to send your 1* players to see if they improve, prediction competition, article grading and stadium construction amongst others. Another idea thrown up is to open up a sister league when the new OOTP is brought out and use new rosters with the GM's we have taking different teams so as not to have a clone of the original league, personally not so sure if this is the way to go as it gets harder to fill openings in the original league and in seasons to come the sister league will turn into a fictional league and we will have two leagues which will be hard to fill. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

12-30-2005, 07:50 PM	#2
ez_block_kibbie Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 32	anyway i can join your league? sounds great!

12-30-2005, 07:51 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I'm not sure what it is, but there seems to be a dip right now in available owners. Most of the veteran players are likely in the leagues they want to be in long-term. That leaves very few new owners to fill vacancies. It probably also contributes to the thrill of joining a "real" player league for the new people that do find the game.

12-30-2005, 07:54 PM	#4
ez_block_kibbie Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 32	still would like to join

12-30-2005, 08:19 PM	#6
RBLwebguy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 5,162	Newbies make very good GMs, but they seem more attracted to current day rosters. Maybe you are right, it is a changing of the guard so to speak, but we all started somewhere

12-30-2005, 08:46 PM	#7
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Maelstrom started with current players. Now we're 15 seasons in and probably half-and-half fictional/real players. Generally, though, real-player leagues don't tend to last. As it is now, we have some openings that are taking quite a bit to fill.

12-30-2005, 10:11 PM	#10
jpogue Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 98	I am new to ootpb but I am a very experienced GM in past leagues. I like the current rosters because u can start with players and teams u know and them go from there. I guess being new to ootpb I do not understand the way the database works for adding players based on the real life stats and entry. If I understood that more I might be interested in a long term league like u described.

12-31-2005, 12:10 AM	#13
Psychoholic Slag Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 51	I just started a fictional league, I know what you mean by it being hard to fill. I've asked no less than 50 GMs and I always get "Not real rosters? No thanks" Its very annoying. Its a 12 team league and I've been trying to fill it for 3 days, very disheartening.

01-02-2006, 05:55 PM	#19
RBLwebguy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 5,162	You would be amazed by the large number of leagues that pop up offering current rosters which are generally started by overzealous people thinking it is easy to start and maintain their own leagues. Many start em and quit it because to do it right, requires a lot of work and time. Hats off to those that to make it work though as their are some pretty top notch long lasting leagues. I started this post mainly because of the fustration of having to wait a few extra days to fill an opening I can't freak out about it as I have to go by "If you build it, they will come" motto. We have some freaking fantastic GMs in all 3 leagues I run or co-run. Many are long time members or returning members. Long live NARBL, WLB and SO49!