Non-roster invitees

Erik · 12-19-2005, 01:13 PM

After just going through an offseason, I noticed something that I believe to be missing from the process. There were several older players who had had limited playing time in their career and were free agents at the end of the year. I have some openings in OF and the bullpen and thought to give some of these guys a chance. However I don't want to sign them to a minor league contract and fill up my 40 man roster.

I think it would be a good idea to have Spring Training non-roster invites for players. Then I can at least monitor their progress through spring training and decide if I want to cut them from my team or not.

andymac · 12-19-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik

After just going through an offseason, I noticed something that I believe to be missing from the process. There were several older players who had had limited playing time in their career and were free agents at the end of the year. I have some openings in OF and the bullpen and thought to give some of these guys a chance. However I don't want to sign them to a minor league contract and fill up my 40 man roster.

I think it would be a good idea to have Spring Training non-roster invites for players. Then I can at least monitor their progress through spring training and decide if I want to cut them from my team or not.

I strongly agree that if there is going to be a true Spring Training schedule in the new version that this needs to be included.

Erik · 12-19-2005, 02:11 PM

andymac

Maybe we as St. Louis Cardinals fans (which I believe you are from a previous post I've seen) see this more of a needed option than some others (for example: Abraham Nunez and Bill Pulsipher last year for the Cardinals). It always seems like Walt finds a gem out there to invite for spring training doesn't it?

andymac · 12-19-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik

andymac

Maybe we as St. Louis Cardinals fans (which I believe you are from a previous post I've seen) see this more of a needed option than some others (for example: Abraham Nunez and Bill Pulsipher last year for the Cardinals). It always seems like Walt finds a gem out there to invite for spring training doesn't it?

Walt does use the NRI's quite a bit and tends to end up keeping at least one or two of them. I think that is the case for most teams, though. Especially the teams that are in the 2nd & 3rd tier as far as payrolls.

Dan Theman · 12-19-2005, 04:29 PM

Exactly how Spring training is handled wouldn't be a bad idea for a blog

mgsports · 12-23-2005, 10:03 PM

It's going to have Spring Training games! I guess it will have all the bell and wistle in it!

mgsports · 12-23-2005, 10:08 PM

However I don't want to sign them to a minor league contract and fill up my 40 man roster but they won't be on your 40 man roster if you sign them to a Minor League contract and invite them to camp. Sometimes teams will bring recent Draft Picks and journeman or how ever you spell it to camp as Non Roster Players and Pitchers!

Aordolin · 12-24-2005, 09:56 AM

I never liked the way Spring Training was handled in past versions. I would also like to see a spring training schedule with some stats that could atleast help in decieding if I want to keep that aging vet on the roster or go with the hot prospect. ofcourse a bad spring training wouldnt mean a player is washed up nor would a good one guarentee that the player was good but it would be nice to have something tangiable to look at when trying to pick your 5th starter and fill out the back ends of your bench and bullpen.

DiMaggio5CF · 12-25-2005, 03:47 PM

I agree that NRI are important.

Skipaway · 12-26-2005, 12:11 AM

For NRI to make sense in game, it must be coupled with fuzzy scouting systems. Unless you are playing with the ratings off, it's a pointless waste of time.

Also it doesn't make sense to monitor players through spring training stats. I don't think real life teams are doing that. Have some kind of detailed scouting report for those in the spring training camp should be much more meaningful than the spring training stats.

andymac · 12-26-2005, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

For NRI to make sense in game, it must be coupled with fuzzy scouting systems. Unless you are playing with the ratings off, it's a pointless waste of time.

Also it doesn't make sense to monitor players through spring training stats. I don't think real life teams are doing that. Have some kind of detailed scouting report for those in the spring training camp should be much more meaningful than the spring training stats.

Right...bringing a guy in as a NRI should be, essentially, a way to get a better scouting report on him.

DiMaggio5CF · 12-26-2005, 03:33 AM

I think just the value of seeing him play everday is worth something.

I do this all the time with LOOGYs in my own ST that I crudely constructed. I'll pick up four or five guys with similar ratings vs LHB and then I'll let them audition for the spot.

Maybe one guy has 7s across the board, while another guy is 9/3/9, another guy is 8/5/8, and another guy is 10/6/6. They're all decent, but who's the best? I could probably look at the numbers and decide, but I've already used the numbers to narrow it down, so why not let ST games decide?

I really think that ST is a great new feature, and a big part of it is NRI. And don't forget, if ST is a real part of the game, that means that you might wind up with some injuries. And so you might find yourself bringing on an NRI just because you need a body.

And maybe that guy is fresh because he worked out with your team while FAs have been sitting on their asses and are rusty.

Skipaway · 12-26-2005, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

I think just the value of seeing him play everday is worth something.

Yeah, and I think a lot of it needs to come in the form of either some special scouting reports, or a much more accurate scouting result. Of course spring games would be part of that scouting report, but I doubt if nothing more than spring game stats is provided, this feature would really mean anything.

I would believe stuff like "he's swinging really well" would mean much more than a .350 batting average in real life spring trainings too.

12-19-2005, 01:13 PM	#1
Erik All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 505	Non-roster invitees After just going through an offseason, I noticed something that I believe to be missing from the process. There were several older players who had had limited playing time in their career and were free agents at the end of the year. I have some openings in OF and the bullpen and thought to give some of these guys a chance. However I don't want to sign them to a minor league contract and fill up my 40 man roster. I think it would be a good idea to have Spring Training non-roster invites for players. Then I can at least monitor their progress through spring training and decide if I want to cut them from my team or not.

12-26-2005, 12:11 AM	#10
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	For NRI to make sense in game, it must be coupled with fuzzy scouting systems. Unless you are playing with the ratings off, it's a pointless waste of time. Also it doesn't make sense to monitor players through spring training stats. I don't think real life teams are doing that. Have some kind of detailed scouting report for those in the spring training camp should be much more meaningful than the spring training stats. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

12-19-2005, 02:11 PM	#3
Erik All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 505	andymac Maybe we as St. Louis Cardinals fans (which I believe you are from a previous post I've seen) see this more of a needed option than some others (for example: Abraham Nunez and Bill Pulsipher last year for the Cardinals). It always seems like Walt finds a gem out there to invite for spring training doesn't it?

12-23-2005, 10:03 PM	#6
mgsports Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 159	It's going to have Spring Training games! I guess it will have all the bell and wistle in it!

12-23-2005, 10:08 PM	#7
mgsports Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 159	However I don't want to sign them to a minor league contract and fill up my 40 man roster but they won't be on your 40 man roster if you sign them to a Minor League contract and invite them to camp. Sometimes teams will bring recent Draft Picks and journeman or how ever you spell it to camp as Non Roster Players and Pitchers!

12-24-2005, 09:56 AM	#8
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	I never liked the way Spring Training was handled in past versions. I would also like to see a spring training schedule with some stats that could atleast help in decieding if I want to keep that aging vet on the roster or go with the hot prospect. ofcourse a bad spring training wouldnt mean a player is washed up nor would a good one guarentee that the player was good but it would be nice to have something tangiable to look at when trying to pick your 5th starter and fill out the back ends of your bench and bullpen.

12-25-2005, 03:47 PM	#9
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	I agree that NRI are important.

12-26-2005, 03:33 AM	#12
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	I think just the value of seeing him play everday is worth something. I do this all the time with LOOGYs in my own ST that I crudely constructed. I'll pick up four or five guys with similar ratings vs LHB and then I'll let them audition for the spot. Maybe one guy has 7s across the board, while another guy is 9/3/9, another guy is 8/5/8, and another guy is 10/6/6. They're all decent, but who's the best? I could probably look at the numbers and decide, but I've already used the numbers to narrow it down, so why not let ST games decide? I really think that ST is a great new feature, and a big part of it is NRI. And don't forget, if ST is a real part of the game, that means that you might wind up with some injuries. And so you might find yourself bringing on an NRI just because you need a body. And maybe that guy is fresh because he worked out with your team while FAs have been sitting on their asses and are rusty.