Busts and Breakout Players (ever seen em)

potatoman · 12-08-2002, 08:27 PM

Has anyone expierenced busts? or breakout players? like players whos ratings weren't very good and was cheap in the FA or not so good ratings but had a GREAT season or a player with GREAT ratings hit like .219 10 homeruns 50 rbis?

potatoman · 12-08-2002, 08:30 PM

so many ppl viewed it....but no one responded?!

Smellyface · 12-08-2002, 09:27 PM

I have often seen players that were not supposed to be that great in the amateur draft turn into superstars and vice versa.

Scott Vibert · 12-08-2002, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by potatoman
so many ppl viewed it....but no one responded?!

You only waited three minutes to post that?.... This board answers quickly, but not always that quickly.

I have seen the same thing.

I had a 3 rated guy for getting hits turn out to be pretty good, consistently hitting over .300 for me. Kent Yanez, one of my favorite fake players of all time.

I also have seen guys with very good ratings have a poor season in the past, for example I had a young 27 year old pitcher who had a decent year on my scrubby team, he was up for extension so I gave him a nice 3 year 3 million dollar deal... and he proceeded to bust on me. 2 years later after spending both years in the minors I bit the bullet and released him. He was featured in the True OOL Story on the league messageboard.

KWizard · 12-08-2002, 10:45 PM

In one of my solo leagues I saw the guy drafted #1 overall in the amateur draft suffer a career-ending injury a couple weeks into his first minor league season.

JAttractive · 12-09-2002, 03:51 AM

I have seen guys go in the last round of my amateur draft (5 rounds) turn in to hall of famers. I also had a guy transform from a defensive bench player at 27 years of age in to the league MVP, triple crown winner at the age of 30.

The biggest consistent over-achiever I ever had was a 3b who was average in every talent and had 5's in each rating (which I checked with the editor because it seemed hard to believe) consistently hit .300, 25+ hr, 80-120 rbi's, 80+ bb's. For only 3 million a year I signed this guy when he turned 24 as a free agent and he was my allstar 3b for years and years. I always imagined him as this underdog guy with a lot of heart who somehow beat the odds year in and year out.

The biggest under-achiever was a SP named Leon Davalos with 9-10 fluctuating Era rating and good or better talent in everything who usually had a statistical era of 4.0 or higher and only once in his career managed an era under 3.0. I would continually pay this guy 12+ million a year waiting for him to turn his career around and he only repayed me once with a strong year.

ctorg · 12-09-2002, 09:05 AM

I've had guys go both ways plenty of times. I can particularly remember a guy I drafted in the initial draft during round 39 who was 19 years old who went on to break the homerun record and hit over .300 for his career. He was pretty much an all-around fair player when I picked him. I think it pays to have good minor league managers.

Chappy · 12-09-2002, 10:45 AM

I'll post his stats when I get home, but I had a Maris like player who set the single season HR mark with 58 in his 3rd season (around 25 HR his first 2 years), followed it with a 55 HR season (at which point he was around 28 with a career .285 avg), and never hit over .240-25-80 again.

2 career MVPs, 2 career All-Star appearances...

Treches · 12-09-2002, 12:12 PM

Again, this feature is by far the best in OoTP, in my opinion, and probably the one that set this game apart when it showed up in '99.

People who knows about these series since V4 may not be aware, but fact is this feature has been tweaked and improved mightily over the years.

twins15 · 12-09-2002, 05:26 PM

Too many times I've had superstars that I drafted not pan out.

grismosw · 12-09-2002, 05:45 PM

I had Albert Pujols have 50 HRs in an online league up from 15 the year before. He was only rated a 6 or 7 for HR too.

pallison14 · 12-09-2002, 11:34 PM

I had a CF, Christopher Ovalle, who was drafted in the 5th round turn out to be a Hall of Famer. His career took an interesting path -- when I drafted him he was rated Fair - Average - Good - Fair - Average - Good, with an A for speed and defense. I drafted him figuring his best shot was as a defensive replacement / pinch runner.

He progressed nicely in the minors (made AAA by the end of his 2nd year), and made the jump to the majors in his 4th professional season -- as the defensive replacement. Unfortunately, in a Lou Gehrig-esque turn of events, my starter went down with a season ending injury. With no real assets to trade, the young back-up fell into the starting role.

He hit reasonably well. By this point, he had benefited from a ratings jump in batting average, and was able to put together a solid .271/.368/.390 season in CF, with heaps of steals and solid defense. While I wasn't blown away by his performance, his numbers were solid enough to justify trading my "regular" (and more expensive) centerfielder.

He gradually improved over the next 4 seasons, and by the time his contract was up, he finished at a nice .291/.394/.424 season. Most of his extra bases were triples, as Ovalle hit just 8 home runs that year. Satisfied with his results in centerfield and the leadoff spot, I signed him to a 6 year extension at what I thought was a "slight" bargain rate of 3.33 million per year.

I couldn't have been more wrong. Through 2 seasons worth of fluke ratings upgrades, I now found my 29 year old centerfielder with talents of Good - Average - Brilliant - <b>Brilliant</b> - Brilliant - Good. His rating for homeruns was an astonishing 15! From there on out, he routinely hit in the .320-.350 range with 100+ walks, 40-60 home runs and 50+ steals. At one point, Ovalle won back to back triple crown awards, and 3 in 4 years!

Suffice it to say, when his contract was up for renewal again, he expected a considerate raise. As he was now in his mid-30s and seeking a 5 year contract at 13 million per season, I painfully decided to let him go. He didn't win the triple crown again, but he did proceed to win 3 more league MVP awards. He finished with a total of 575 home runs, 504 of which came in a 10 year stretch.

I've never seen anything else like it.

MM13 · 12-10-2002, 11:05 AM

Wow. Amazing what "nutritional supplements" can do for a player.

I haven't had any players peform that well, but I have had some guys perform above their heads for a few years before coming back to reality.

12-08-2002, 08:30 PM	#2
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Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	I'll post his stats when I get home, but I had a Maris like player who set the single season HR mark with 58 in his 3rd season (around 25 HR his first 2 years), followed it with a 55 HR season (at which point he was around 28 with a career .285 avg), and never hit over .240-25-80 again. 2 career MVPs, 2 career All-Star appearances... __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

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Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	Again, this feature is by far the best in OoTP, in my opinion, and probably the one that set this game apart when it showed up in '99. People who knows about these series since V4 may not be aware, but fact is this feature has been tweaked and improved mightily over the years. __________________ The Computer Baseball League

12-08-2002, 08:27 PM	#1
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Busts and Breakout Players (ever seen em) Has anyone expierenced busts? or breakout players? like players whos ratings weren't very good and was cheap in the FA or not so good ratings but had a GREAT season or a player with GREAT ratings hit like .219 10 homeruns 50 rbis?

12-09-2002, 03:51 AM	#6
JAttractive All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario Posts: 1,135	I have seen guys go in the last round of my amateur draft (5 rounds) turn in to hall of famers. I also had a guy transform from a defensive bench player at 27 years of age in to the league MVP, triple crown winner at the age of 30. The biggest consistent over-achiever I ever had was a 3b who was average in every talent and had 5's in each rating (which I checked with the editor because it seemed hard to believe) consistently hit .300, 25+ hr, 80-120 rbi's, 80+ bb's. For only 3 million a year I signed this guy when he turned 24 as a free agent and he was my allstar 3b for years and years. I always imagined him as this underdog guy with a lot of heart who somehow beat the odds year in and year out. The biggest under-achiever was a SP named Leon Davalos with 9-10 fluctuating Era rating and good or better talent in everything who usually had a statistical era of 4.0 or higher and only once in his career managed an era under 3.0. I would continually pay this guy 12+ million a year waiting for him to turn his career around and he only repayed me once with a strong year.

12-09-2002, 09:05 AM	#7
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I've had guys go both ways plenty of times. I can particularly remember a guy I drafted in the initial draft during round 39 who was 19 years old who went on to break the homerun record and hit over .300 for his career. He was pretty much an all-around fair player when I picked him. I think it pays to have good minor league managers.

12-09-2002, 05:26 PM	#10
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Too many times I've had superstars that I drafted not pan out. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

12-09-2002, 05:45 PM	#11
grismosw Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ottawa, Ohio Posts: 187	I had Albert Pujols have 50 HRs in an online league up from 15 the year before. He was only rated a 6 or 7 for HR too.

12-09-2002, 11:34 PM	#12
pallison14 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 452	I had a CF, Christopher Ovalle, who was drafted in the 5th round turn out to be a Hall of Famer. His career took an interesting path -- when I drafted him he was rated Fair - Average - Good - Fair - Average - Good, with an A for speed and defense. I drafted him figuring his best shot was as a defensive replacement / pinch runner. He progressed nicely in the minors (made AAA by the end of his 2nd year), and made the jump to the majors in his 4th professional season -- as the defensive replacement. Unfortunately, in a Lou Gehrig-esque turn of events, my starter went down with a season ending injury. With no real assets to trade, the young back-up fell into the starting role. He hit reasonably well. By this point, he had benefited from a ratings jump in batting average, and was able to put together a solid .271/.368/.390 season in CF, with heaps of steals and solid defense. While I wasn't blown away by his performance, his numbers were solid enough to justify trading my "regular" (and more expensive) centerfielder. He gradually improved over the next 4 seasons, and by the time his contract was up, he finished at a nice .291/.394/.424 season. Most of his extra bases were triples, as Ovalle hit just 8 home runs that year. Satisfied with his results in centerfield and the leadoff spot, I signed him to a 6 year extension at what I thought was a "slight" bargain rate of 3.33 million per year. I couldn't have been more wrong. Through 2 seasons worth of fluke ratings upgrades, I now found my 29 year old centerfielder with talents of Good - Average - Brilliant - <b>Brilliant</b> - Brilliant - Good. His rating for homeruns was an astonishing 15! From there on out, he routinely hit in the .320-.350 range with 100+ walks, 40-60 home runs and 50+ steals. At one point, Ovalle won back to back triple crown awards, and 3 in 4 years! Suffice it to say, when his contract was up for renewal again, he expected a considerate raise. As he was now in his mid-30s and seeking a 5 year contract at 13 million per season, I painfully decided to let him go. He didn't win the triple crown again, but he did proceed to win 3 more league MVP awards. He finished with a total of 575 home runs, 504 of which came in a 10 year stretch. I've never seen anything else like it. __________________ Commissioner, NGBL - Putting the FUNK in defunct. New York (AL), UBL Last edited by pallison14; 12-10-2002 at 12:30 PM.

12-10-2002, 11:05 AM	#13
MM13 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 23	Wow. Amazing what "nutritional supplements" can do for a player. I haven't had any players peform that well, but I have had some guys perform above their heads for a few years before coming back to reality.