The Toilet Bowl, 49ers vs. Texans

bulldog55 · 12-20-2005, 02:31 PM

Is anyone as geared up for this one as I am?! While the Texans somehow won this week, the Niners put up another loss and both teams are now 2-12, tied for the worst record in football and the Reggie Bush sweepstakes.

Assuming they both drop their penultimate games this week, they will meet in San Francisco with dueling 2-13 records. The winner gets Reggie Bush. The loser gets... I don't know, whoever else is in the draft and isn't a quarterback.

I see this one playing out like the Little League episode of South Park, both teams doing everything they can to blow the big game. Quarterbacks handing it off to defensive lineman, running backs fumbling out the back of the end zone with nobody around them, each kickoff sailing out of bounds for a 40-yard-line start. I'm telling you, this game is going to be gold.

Davey Eckstein · 12-20-2005, 02:37 PM

I'm thinking it'll be a tie.

matskralc · 12-20-2005, 02:39 PM

I'm just not as certain as everybody else that Houston will be gunning for Bush. Dominack Davis doesn't exactly suck. He's just stuck behind the same god-awful offensive line that the doesn't-exactly-suck David Carr has.

Green & Gold Heart · 12-20-2005, 02:43 PM

I'm a Niners fan so go Texans!!!!!!!11

andymac · 12-20-2005, 02:49 PM

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Texans trade their pick for a bunch of other picks.

matskralc · 12-20-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Texans trade their pick for a bunch of other picks.

^^^kind of what I was getting at

IatricSB · 12-20-2005, 02:55 PM

Yesterday it was suggested that the commish make an exception for this game and tell the two that the winner gets the first pick (assuming nobody is still in contention). Though it won't happen, it would be interesting. But then it will probably be interesting watching both try to lose.

And I agree about the Texans. RB is not their biggest need.

Faroo6 · 12-20-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Texans trade their pick for a bunch of other picks.

Bad thing is that won't go over too well with the fans. I know you all wanted to come out and see Reggie Bush play, but look we got some O-Linemen. I'm glad I'm not in that position. It'd be like if the Detroit Lions took O-Line help instead of Barry Sanders. I also think that drafting Reggie Bush as a 2nd running back isn't that bad of an idea. He's always had White at USC to spell him. He can definitely line up as a slot receiver to get him the ball in the passing game. That's why I think San Fran should ditch Barlow if they have the #1 and get Bush.

bulldog55 · 12-20-2005, 03:01 PM

I still don't see anyone trading that first pick. It's Reggie Bush. If you're not drafting him for how head and shoulders he is above his peers, you're drafting him to appease your fans.

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

I'm a Niners fan so go Texans!!!!!!!11

^^^

TonyJ · 12-20-2005, 03:14 PM

The Texans biggest need is for offensive lineman though. A bunch of them. Depending upon who is available in FA I think it would be best to trade down and get whoever the top O-lineman in the draft is.

kingcharlesxii · 12-20-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

It'd be like if the Detroit Lions took O-Line help instead of Barry Sanders.

See Tony Mandarich for why drafting O-Linemen over a running back isn't always a good idea even if you need help there more.

Go Pack!

Hammer755 · 12-20-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

I still don't see anyone trading that first pick. It's Reggie Bush. If you're not drafting him for how head and shoulders he is above his peers, you're drafting him to appease your fans.

The feel I get from the locals is that the club will trade the #1 pick if they get it. The club has a lot of holes, but RB is not one of them - I wouldn't exactly call it a strength, but it's not one of the team's glaring weaknesses. Plus they just re-signed Dom Davis to a decent-sized extension.

The best-case scenario for them, based on what I've heard, is to trade the 1 to another Top 5 team, take D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and use the other picks to fill some other need positions.

Dagrims · 12-20-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammer755

take D'Brickashaw Ferguson

What the hell were his parents smoking when they came up with that name?

mlyons · 12-20-2005, 06:40 PM

Does anyone really think the players or coaches, half of whom will be with different teams next season (if they're still in the league at all) really care about next year's draft pick?

andymac · 12-20-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Does anyone really think the players or coaches, half of whom will be with different teams next season (if they're still in the league at all) really care about next year's draft pick?

Agreed...both teams are going to be trying to win this game just as if both were undefeated.

TonyJ · 12-20-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Agreed...both teams are going to be trying to win this game just as if both were undefeated.

More likely, both teams are going to be trying to get to the off-season without getting hurt. But yeah, they aren't going to try to lose or anything.

Long_Long_Name · 12-20-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

What the hell were his parents smoking when they came up with that name?

I am wondering the same thing.

IatricSB · 12-20-2005, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Does anyone really think the players or coaches, half of whom will be with different teams next season (if they're still in the league at all) really care about next year's draft pick?

Um, yeah. Not all, but I'd bet there are some.

abailey3313 · 12-20-2005, 10:15 PM

You know, neither team really needs Reggie Bush.

Domanick Davis is good enough, I guess. Frank Gore has looked good this year for the 49ers and they still have Kevan Barlow (who sucks, but is still a decent enough option considering their other holes).

Of the three other teams that will have high picks -- the Packers, Jets, and Saints -- only the Jets really strike me as a team that could use a RB. Curtis Martin may not have much left in the tank and Derrick Blaylock is not going to be an efficient replacement, I don't think.

The problem is, Bush is so good and so highly touted that he can change a team's plans. The Texans or 49ers would be just as smart to pass on Bush and fill holes via trade as they would be to draft Bush and then deal one of their running backs for a pick or two later in the draft. Granted, dealing the rights to Bush will net you a lot more. But at the same time, the opportunity to land a one of a kind player like Bush doesn't come along very often.

bagsangels · 12-21-2005, 10:34 AM

this is going to be very interesting if both teams have the same record, i would love to watch it, also im a 49ers fan and would be rooting for them to lose for the better of our future.

12-20-2005, 02:39 PM	#3
matskralc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,076	I'm just not as certain as everybody else that Houston will be gunning for Bush. Dominack Davis doesn't exactly suck. He's just stuck behind the same god-awful offensive line that the doesn't-exactly-suck David Carr has. __________________ Well, they have a saying here in Texas ... but they probably don't have it in California, so never mind. OTBL - Pennsylvania Fightin' Amish ABC - Pittsburgh Puma OCHO - Pittsburgh Pirates EBU - Commissioner

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12-20-2005, 03:14 PM	#10
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	The Texans biggest need is for offensive lineman though. A bunch of them. Depending upon who is available in FA I think it would be best to trade down and get whoever the top O-lineman in the draft is. __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

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12-20-2005, 02:31 PM	#1
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,479	The Toilet Bowl, 49ers vs. Texans Is anyone as geared up for this one as I am?! While the Texans somehow won this week, the Niners put up another loss and both teams are now 2-12, tied for the worst record in football and the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. Assuming they both drop their penultimate games this week, they will meet in San Francisco with dueling 2-13 records. The winner gets Reggie Bush. The loser gets... I don't know, whoever else is in the draft and isn't a quarterback. I see this one playing out like the Little League episode of South Park, both teams doing everything they can to blow the big game. Quarterbacks handing it off to defensive lineman, running backs fumbling out the back of the end zone with nobody around them, each kickoff sailing out of bounds for a 40-yard-line start. I'm telling you, this game is going to be gold.

12-20-2005, 02:37 PM	#2
Davey Eckstein Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Laundry Barn Favorite food: Bran flakes. Posts: 1,283	I'm thinking it'll be a tie.

12-20-2005, 02:43 PM	#4
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	I'm a Niners fan so go Texans!!!!!!!11

12-20-2005, 10:15 PM	#19
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	You know, neither team really needs Reggie Bush. Domanick Davis is good enough, I guess. Frank Gore has looked good this year for the 49ers and they still have Kevan Barlow (who sucks, but is still a decent enough option considering their other holes). Of the three other teams that will have high picks -- the Packers, Jets, and Saints -- only the Jets really strike me as a team that could use a RB. Curtis Martin may not have much left in the tank and Derrick Blaylock is not going to be an efficient replacement, I don't think. The problem is, Bush is so good and so highly touted that he can change a team's plans. The Texans or 49ers would be just as smart to pass on Bush and fill holes via trade as they would be to draft Bush and then deal one of their running backs for a pick or two later in the draft. Granted, dealing the rights to Bush will net you a lot more. But at the same time, the opportunity to land a one of a kind player like Bush doesn't come along very often. __________________

12-21-2005, 10:34 AM	#20
bagsangels Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 332	this is going to be very interesting if both teams have the same record, i would love to watch it, also im a 49ers fan and would be rooting for them to lose for the better of our future.