A-Rod: What a ***** - Page 4

RchW · 12-18-2005, 04:45 PM

I suppose so. I've never checked. My birth makes me Scottish, I am Canadian. I suppose I could return to the UK at any time. Many countries grant de facto citizenship to foreign born children of citizens. I believe that Canada and the US have reciprocal laws granting dual citizenship to children who qualify.

My real point is that if some feel it wrong for athletes to play for a different country than the one they were born in then they should feel the same for anyone who comes from another country and plays for the US or Canada.

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To clarify; under international rules, if you have never played internationally for another country you can choose to play for a different country that you become a citizen of. Some exceptions have been granted especially around the breakup of the Soviet Union, ie. Ukrainian or Khazakstan Hockey and Soccer players who may have played for USSR or the "United Team" have been allowed to switch.

KILLERBS24 · 12-18-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

If players are criticized for considering a different country, when they have a choice, then anyone who comes from another country to the US or Canada should be equally criticized if they take citizenship and choose to play internationally here in North America.

Right, but ARod didn't come to this country from another one, his parents moved here and he was born here, he's american.

Skipaway · 12-18-2005, 08:40 PM

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Right, but ARod didn't come to this country from another one, his parents moved here and he was born here, he's american.

And? We are not really talking about nationalities here. Supposely very few Americans feel like they are Native Americans, and in a lot of ways still feel connected to their roots.

Didn't you see enough movies to know that?

KILLERBS24 · 12-18-2005, 10:24 PM

whatever man. Believe what you want, I seriously hope you dont base your ideas on things you see in movies!

Skipaway · 12-18-2005, 10:31 PM

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whatever man. Believe what you want, I seriously hope you dont base your ideas on things you see in movies!

Well, I was just worrying that you don't have enough real experiences about different walks of lifes, so gave you that pointer!

Joe Canadian · 12-19-2005, 02:08 AM

I don't have a problem with A-Rod or any other player not playing in this... but his reason for not playing is weak, IMO. You'll offend people either way, who cares...

Jonzard · 12-19-2005, 02:10 AM

I for one accept his reasoning. If you ask a parent to pick one child over another, they couldn't. To a similar extent I think that he respects and loves both his country and his heritage enough that he simply cannot choose one over the other.

DiMaggio5CF · 12-19-2005, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

My real point is that if some feel it wrong for athletes to play for a different country than the one they were born in then they should feel the same for anyone who comes from another country and plays for the US or Canada.

If you mean this for the WBC, then I agree. Man-Ram and Pedro shouldn't play for the United States team.

Or they could do it the exact opposite way, where they determine teams by where you play and not where you were born. So that way it would be like an All-Star team from each country sent to compete. But the US would clearly dominate that, which would make it a lot less fun.

Skipaway · 12-19-2005, 02:35 AM

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I don't have a problem with A-Rod or any other player not playing in this... but his reason for not playing is weak, IMO. You'll offend people either way, who cares...

That's why I said people who always talk in political correctness are more disciplined. They care about others.

swampdragon · 12-19-2005, 02:46 AM

Or he could tell the truth and point out that it's a poorly conceived idea and his participation doesn't benefit him.

Skipaway · 12-19-2005, 02:52 AM

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Or he could tell the truth and point out that it's a poorly conceived idea and his participation doesn't benefit him.

Why would that be the truth? Because that would be your truth?

swampdragon · 12-19-2005, 03:01 AM

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Why would that be the truth? Because that would be your truth?

Actually, I think that's his truth. I am projecting a little of my own opinion of the series. I like what the NBA is doing with training camp next year. I don't like this.

Teddyballgame · 12-19-2005, 06:54 AM

I can't imagine why anyone cares about this decision. Honestly, talk about looking to be offended.

Although the "After thoughtful deliberations with my family..." line cracked me up. Does anyone seriously think he did that?

Skipaway · 12-19-2005, 09:05 AM

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Although the "After thoughtful deliberations with my family..." line cracked me up. Does anyone seriously think he did that?

I do. I have no idea what kind of culture background he got, but it's something some people take very seriously.

IatricSB · 12-19-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

That's why I said some people who always talk in political correctness are more disciplined. They care about others.

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Faroo6 · 12-19-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

That's why I said people who always talk in political correctness are more disciplined. They care about others.

A lot of those people don't give a damn about others. They care about whether or not they come off good or bad. Discipline doesn't have a lot to do with it. It's about having a good PR guy and a good speech writer.

CMH · 12-19-2005, 05:09 PM

I see a lot of opinions here and a lot of nothing.

This thread is teh suk.

Sublimity · 12-19-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

I see a lot of opinions here and a lot of nothing.

This thread is teh suk.

What would you have liked to see? There aren't a lot of stats relating to this topic. No one's calculating EQA of *****iness, or WARP of caritude, or even some basics like number of whines in a year. All that's left is opinion. So take it up with Bill James.

andymac · 12-19-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

I see a lot of opinions here and a lot of nothing.

This thread is teh suk.

Yea, well I think contradictory statements are teh suk.

Skipaway · 12-19-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

A lot of those people don't give a damn about others. They care about whether or not they come off good or bad. Discipline doesn't have a lot to do with it. It's about having a good PR guy and a good speech writer.

Actually the point is more like if you have a good PR guy and a good speech writer, of course you'd be more disciplined.

I think we have to realize the American culture favors individualism more than most, and cares the least about what others think. Alex Rodriguez is someone inbetween two cultures and not exactly your typical white sports fan.

12-18-2005, 04:45 PM	#61
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Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	I for one accept his reasoning. If you ask a parent to pick one child over another, they couldn't. To a similar extent I think that he respects and loves both his country and his heritage enough that he simply cannot choose one over the other. __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

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Teddyballgame Major Leagues Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 332	I can't imagine why anyone cares about this decision. Honestly, talk about looking to be offended. Although the "After thoughtful deliberations with my family..." line cracked me up. Does anyone seriously think he did that? __________________ The roads in America are paved with cheese

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swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	Or he could tell the truth and point out that it's a poorly conceived idea and his participation doesn't benefit him.

12-19-2005, 05:09 PM	#77
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	I see a lot of opinions here and a lot of nothing. This thread is teh suk.