3B Or Starting Pitcher

Hotwheelz · 12-18-2005, 08:22 PM

Alright, another which position question for you all...

In the initial draft I noticed a 3B prospect that had very, very good ratings as a starting pitcher. His endurance was also 10 as a starter. Right now he is by far the best pitching prospect in my system after our former top prospect, Richard Barnett, took a ratings hit and is now only rated 3 1/2 stars. I also have a need for a 3B since I have none in my system.

Lets take a look at his ratings.

As a hitter his talent is 7-6-6-9-8 and his current ratings as a hitter are 5-4-2-6-4.

As a pitcher his ratings are 8-9-8 and current are 3-8-5.

This kid is 21 at the moment and will turn 22 on 5/25. The current date is 5/10.

So do you let him pitch or play 3B? IMO, he would be a bit closer to the big leagues as a 3B and will be very good but not great. As a pitcher I think he could be a year behind but he has the ratings to be a great pitcher. I could use a great pitcher. But I could also use a 3B, but I do have players I can fill in for the moment.

So which is it? 3B or SP?

Rudi · 12-18-2005, 08:24 PM

I vote 3B
I like seeing these kinds of prospects pop up once in awhile, as long as it is not too common. It gives you something to think about

Black Lightning · 12-18-2005, 08:26 PM

I vote 3b too. On players like those do the pitching ratings ever increase if they never pitch in the minors?

Bluenoser · 12-18-2005, 08:36 PM

What are your team needs?

Do you have a lot of decent to good SP prospects and no good 3B prospects?

Or do you have a couple of good 3B prospects and no decent/good SP prospects?

Every situation is different. Weigh your decision against your team needs.

Hotwheelz · 12-18-2005, 09:36 PM

Ive got a kid at 3B right now who has decent ratings, and who I would be willing to let play out the season, but is not performing even at an average rate. I also dont have any 3B prospects in the system worth mentioning, but I do have a decent catcher who I am thinking about moving.

I have some good pitching prospects. I dont project them as anything more than #2 starters though. This kid however I project as an ace. A real ace who is going to compete for the Cy Young every year.

Its a tough spot. I could really use the kid at 3B but it would be nice seeing him win 20 games a season.

Hotwheelz · 12-18-2005, 09:52 PM

So if I added this kid to the Double-A starting rotation and inserted him into the starting lineup as our 3B.....would he play 3B when he wasnt starting?

Hotwheelz · 12-18-2005, 10:11 PM

My Team:

http://www.asinglemoment.net/bhl/report/team11.html

Alfonso "Deuce" Azevedo, SP/3B

http://www.asinglemoment.net/bhl/report/p1098.html

Mike Donlin · 12-18-2005, 11:03 PM

SP. Take a chance, the ceiling is higher--besides, if he starts to lag, his value as a prospect SP will be higher than his value as a prospect 3B.

This should have been a poll.

twins15 · 12-18-2005, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

So if I added this kid to the Double-A starting rotation and inserted him into the starting lineup as our 3B.....would he play 3B when he wasnt starting?

He might play, but I think he will only develop at whatever position you set him as.

andjbock · 12-18-2005, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

So if I added this kid to the Double-A starting rotation and inserted him into the starting lineup as our 3B.....would he play 3B when he wasnt starting?

He should be able to do both, but will need to be listed as a pitcher. Then insert him into the lineup (I know DH works).

This year (22 games deep for the pro club) he has 5 starts and 21 when you check his batting stats. 82 ABS as well.

3-1 6.14
.366 3 16

Malleus Dei · 12-19-2005, 01:48 AM

I would say 3B.

DiMaggio5CF · 12-19-2005, 03:20 AM

Starting pitcher. He has the potential to be a front-line starter.

Hotwheelz · 12-19-2005, 06:38 AM

I have to agree with those that say starting pitcher. As a 3B he has the potential to be good. But as a starter he has the potential to be a true ace.

Filling 3B should be a bit easier than finding an ace.

ctorg · 12-19-2005, 11:56 AM

I'd say 3B as well, though it's tempting. If you want to really take control of things, you can turn him to a SP every 5 games, let him pitch, then turn him back to 3B for other games. I've done that in the majors for guys with good ratings in both hitting and pitching.

james17 · 12-19-2005, 03:21 PM

His upside on pitching is so high I'd make him an SP.

Sublimity · 12-19-2005, 03:23 PM

I like the idea of using him as both, but I have a question about that: if he pitches until he tires, would he then be tired when he's moved to third base? Would his pitching arm being tired affect his hitting?

If you can't use him as both, I'd go with a pitcher. But I value pitching over hitting given the options (and he could be an ace).

BondsForever · 12-20-2005, 01:30 AM

third base is an easier position for me to find or develop. I'd try SP and see what happens!

bigphesta · 12-20-2005, 09:40 AM

SP all the way!

Hotwheelz · 12-21-2005, 06:35 AM

Well I really need a 3B. Now. And while he wont be able to hit in the big leagues until probably next season (a small chance he could be up in Sept.) I could really use his bat at the hot corner.

I had a guy, Richard Barnett, who was an insanely talented lefty but he took a pretty good ratings hit and is now only 7-7-7 in talent. If he hadnt had that ratings hit I would be switching Azevedo back to third with no questions asked.

Right now we are at 5/18 and I am going to see what I can get in the draft. If I can find a top notch pitching prospect then I will make the switch. If not and I can find a decent 3B prospect then SP it is.

Jazzmosis · 12-21-2005, 12:04 PM

I'd put him as pitcher. I've never seen a pitcher's batting talent decrease, so even if he busts as a pitcher then his current ratings as a batter warrant him decent enough consideration for major league backup (and possible starter), maybe in his golden years? It doubles as genius if you're in a league that doesn't DH.

Change his nickname to "Willis", too

12-18-2005, 08:22 PM	#1
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	3B Or Starting Pitcher Alright, another which position question for you all... In the initial draft I noticed a 3B prospect that had very, very good ratings as a starting pitcher. His endurance was also 10 as a starter. Right now he is by far the best pitching prospect in my system after our former top prospect, Richard Barnett, took a ratings hit and is now only rated 3 1/2 stars. I also have a need for a 3B since I have none in my system. Lets take a look at his ratings. As a hitter his talent is 7-6-6-9-8 and his current ratings as a hitter are 5-4-2-6-4. As a pitcher his ratings are 8-9-8 and current are 3-8-5. This kid is 21 at the moment and will turn 22 on 5/25. The current date is 5/10. So do you let him pitch or play 3B? IMO, he would be a bit closer to the big leagues as a 3B and will be very good but not great. As a pitcher I think he could be a year behind but he has the ratings to be a great pitcher. I could use a great pitcher. But I could also use a 3B, but I do have players I can fill in for the moment. So which is it? 3B or SP?

12-18-2005, 08:26 PM	#3
Black Lightning Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 54	I vote 3b too. On players like those do the pitching ratings ever increase if they never pitch in the minors? __________________ NABC - Mobile Bears UBA - Charleston Aces

12-19-2005, 11:56 AM	#14
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I'd say 3B as well, though it's tempting. If you want to really take control of things, you can turn him to a SP every 5 games, let him pitch, then turn him back to 3B for other games. I've done that in the majors for guys with good ratings in both hitting and pitching. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-19-2005, 03:23 PM	#16
Sublimity Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: This thread. Posts: 3,199	I like the idea of using him as both, but I have a question about that: if he pitches until he tires, would he then be tired when he's moved to third base? Would his pitching arm being tired affect his hitting? If you can't use him as both, I'd go with a pitcher. But I value pitching over hitting given the options (and he could be an ace). __________________ mrs ria: I hereby dub Sublimity the Glorious Upholder of the 5B3. Current leading vote-getter in the Worst Poster in OT History poll.

12-21-2005, 12:04 PM	#20
Jazzmosis All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: The London you've never heard of Posts: 505	I'd put him as pitcher. I've never seen a pitcher's batting talent decrease, so even if he busts as a pitcher then his current ratings as a batter warrant him decent enough consideration for major league backup (and possible starter), maybe in his golden years? It doubles as genius if you're in a league that doesn't DH. Change his nickname to "Willis", too __________________ Florida Marlins GM, Netsports League - 2004 NL Champs, 2008 + 2013 Champions, 2004, 2009-2015, 2017-2021, 2024-2028 NLE Division Crown Mark Jazzington's Managerial Career - worth a read Thanks to Tib for the inspiration to write it.

12-18-2005, 08:24 PM	#2
Rudi Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2	I vote 3B I like seeing these kinds of prospects pop up once in awhile, as long as it is not too common. It gives you something to think about

12-18-2005, 08:36 PM	#4
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,224	What are your team needs? Do you have a lot of decent to good SP prospects and no good 3B prospects? Or do you have a couple of good 3B prospects and no decent/good SP prospects? Every situation is different. Weigh your decision against your team needs.

12-18-2005, 09:36 PM	#5
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Ive got a kid at 3B right now who has decent ratings, and who I would be willing to let play out the season, but is not performing even at an average rate. I also dont have any 3B prospects in the system worth mentioning, but I do have a decent catcher who I am thinking about moving. I have some good pitching prospects. I dont project them as anything more than #2 starters though. This kid however I project as an ace. A real ace who is going to compete for the Cy Young every year. Its a tough spot. I could really use the kid at 3B but it would be nice seeing him win 20 games a season.

12-18-2005, 09:52 PM	#6
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	So if I added this kid to the Double-A starting rotation and inserted him into the starting lineup as our 3B.....would he play 3B when he wasnt starting?

12-18-2005, 10:11 PM	#7
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	My Team: http://www.asinglemoment.net/bhl/report/team11.html Alfonso "Deuce" Azevedo, SP/3B http://www.asinglemoment.net/bhl/report/p1098.html

12-18-2005, 11:03 PM	#8
Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Life, friends, is boring. Posts: 840	SP. Take a chance, the ceiling is higher--besides, if he starts to lag, his value as a prospect SP will be higher than his value as a prospect 3B. This should have been a poll.

12-19-2005, 03:20 AM	#12
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	Starting pitcher. He has the potential to be a front-line starter.

12-19-2005, 06:38 AM	#13
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	I have to agree with those that say starting pitcher. As a 3B he has the potential to be good. But as a starter he has the potential to be a true ace. Filling 3B should be a bit easier than finding an ace.

12-19-2005, 03:21 PM	#15
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,305	His upside on pitching is so high I'd make him an SP.

12-20-2005, 01:30 AM	#17
BondsForever Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 52	third base is an easier position for me to find or develop. I'd try SP and see what happens!

12-20-2005, 09:40 AM	#18
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	SP all the way!

12-21-2005, 06:35 AM	#19
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Well I really need a 3B. Now. And while he wont be able to hit in the big leagues until probably next season (a small chance he could be up in Sept.) I could really use his bat at the hot corner. I had a guy, Richard Barnett, who was an insanely talented lefty but he took a pretty good ratings hit and is now only 7-7-7 in talent. If he hadnt had that ratings hit I would be switching Azevedo back to third with no questions asked. Right now we are at 5/18 and I am going to see what I can get in the draft. If I can find a top notch pitching prospect then I will make the switch. If not and I can find a decent 3B prospect then SP it is.