Mets acquire Delgado from Marlins - Page 2

JWay · 11-23-2005, 02:52 PM

Ichiro-Anyone-Beltre-Manny-Sexson please!

Y0DA55 · 11-23-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JWay

Ichiro-Anyone-Beltre-Manny-Sexson please!

Amen to that!

jaxmagicman · 11-23-2005, 03:59 PM

I don't see this as a fire sale.

toolboxnj · 11-23-2005, 04:12 PM

As a Met fan I'm cautious. Even though it wasn't much to acquire him (#2, #3 pitching prospect from AA) he doesn't want to come to NY and his antics in uniform (not standing for God Bless America) will not be tolerated in NY.

I went to a Florida/Mets game last year. There was a banner from the upper deck "Delgado, an American disgrace". I don't think hardcore fans will fully warm to Delgado as I don't think I will.

sebastian0622 · 11-23-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by toolboxnj

As a Met fan I'm cautious. Even though it wasn't much to acquire him (#2, #3 pitching prospect from AA) he doesn't want to come to NY and his antics in uniform (not standing for God Bless America) will not be tolerated in NY.

I went to a Florida/Mets game last year. There was a banner from the upper deck "Delgado, an American disgrace". I don't think hardcore fans will fully warm to Delgado as I don't think I will.

AMERICA!!!!! (F*** YEAH!)

SoxWin · 11-23-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

AMERICA!!!!! (F*** YEAH!)

crackpott · 11-23-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by toolboxnj

As a Met fan I'm cautious. Even though it wasn't much to acquire him (#2, #3 pitching prospect from AA) he doesn't want to come to NY and his antics in uniform (not standing for God Bless America) will not be tolerated in NY.

I went to a Florida/Mets game last year. There was a banner from the upper deck "Delgado, an American disgrace". I don't think hardcore fans will fully warm to Delgado as I don't think I will.

Hardcore fans should learn Delgado isn't American before hanging such banners.

Sublimity · 11-23-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

Hardcore fans should learn Delgado isn't American before hanging such banners.

Yeah, but the point is, everyone should want to be an American, and he isn't displaying that. Can you imagine a starving kid in Ethernopia getting that opportunity? He not only would stand for God Bless America, he'd sing along, even if he didn't know the words! Then he'd probably order a hot dog and some nachos, since, you know, he's all starving and stuff.

reyrey619 · 11-23-2005, 04:36 PM

I like this deal for the Mets. With Delgado, and the possible acquisition of Wagner, they could be division winners in 2006. They're certainley my pick to win the division, as of now. Free Agency could easily change that, though. As for the Marlins, its a good deal too. They're obviously building for the future, and right now they get a 1B of the future(he hit 11 HRs in about 100 ABs last year). Not to mention a great pitching prospect to go along with Olsen and Sanchez.

mikev · 11-23-2005, 05:08 PM

I don't understand how anybody can pick a team not named the Atlanta Braves to win the NL East.

Not until they DON'T win it, anyway.

Skipaway · 11-23-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

All the more reason why it's such a shame this team can't get the fan support and stadium it needs to keep them in place (and the roster at least somewhat in tact).

Because fans don't buy tickets for your past wins, but for your perceived winning percentage in the future. Since both of their championships were perceived as surprise wins, and people didn't think the team was really that good, it didn't boost the fan support as much.

three staR · 11-23-2005, 11:59 PM

With Nady on the way, trading Jacobs was something that I thought would come soon. I wasn't surprised. Petit is a good prospect but the Mets are getting a quality batter in return that produces. It won't be like the last time we traded a top pitching prospect *coughkazmircough*. Plus, we get to keep Milledge!

canadiancreed · 11-24-2005, 12:06 AM

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Yeah, but the point is, everyone should want to be an American,

You'd be surprised.

but ya I'm sure that no-one realzies that Delgado isnt American, and they'll hold it against him. Unless he's using teh flag as a doormatt I really dont' get the big flap about it.

as for the Marlins, what is the reason why folks don't go to the games? Is it the fire sales, teh ownership, the crappy stadium, the ugly uniforms, or maybe folks are tired of baseball by april? Seems odd that the state where everyone goes (almost) for spring training has one of the worst fan support.

Big Hugg · 11-24-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Because fans don't buy tickets for your past wins, but for your perceived winning percentage in the future. Since both of their championships were perceived as surprise wins, and people didn't think the team was really that good, it didn't boost the fan support as much.

Yeah, and they were supposed to be one of the best teams in baseball this year and no one cared.

It didn't turn out to happen, but there was no one there in April when things still looked great.

toolboxnj · 11-25-2005, 01:04 AM

I'm not questioning Delgado's ability because it certainly is there. But across the political spectrum (liberals, conservatives and everything in between) with the exception of those on the Upper West Side and at Columbia, New Yorkers tend to be fairly patriotic and proud of their country.

Also, Delgado didn't want to come to NY in the first place. He would have signed as a free agent last year. Metropolitan fans, like myself, have nightmares of Alomar and Vaughn dancing in our heads.

On the positive note, the Mets didn't give up anything to get him. Jacobs was a one-month wonder and Petit is nothing special. Plus, the Mets got nothing from 1B last year for the most part, a position which is generally an offensive one.

And Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the United States. Hat tip to Wikipedia: Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens since 1917 by a statutory law called the Jones-Shafroth Act (or Jones Act) which can be modified at any time by the US Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Puerto_Rico)

reyrey619 · 11-25-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

I don't understand how anybody can pick a team not named the Atlanta Braves to win the NL East.

Not until they DON'T win it, anyway.

They could be, but I think the Mets could finally beat out the Braves for the division. But, I have said that before, and the Braves prove me wrong time after time.

darkhorse · 11-25-2005, 04:06 PM

The Braves have left mah zone of confidence.

mikev · 11-25-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

The Braves have left mah zone of confidence.

If any year was the year for them to get beat, it was last year.

Like I said, until they DON'T win the division, it's not a smrt thing to bet against them doing so.

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reyrey619 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 42	I like this deal for the Mets. With Delgado, and the possible acquisition of Wagner, they could be division winners in 2006. They're certainley my pick to win the division, as of now. Free Agency could easily change that, though. As for the Marlins, its a good deal too. They're obviously building for the future, and right now they get a 1B of the future(he hit 11 HRs in about 100 ABs last year). Not to mention a great pitching prospect to go along with Olsen and Sanchez. __________________

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toolboxnj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 192	As a Met fan I'm cautious. Even though it wasn't much to acquire him (#2, #3 pitching prospect from AA) he doesn't want to come to NY and his antics in uniform (not standing for God Bless America) will not be tolerated in NY. I went to a Florida/Mets game last year. There was a banner from the upper deck "Delgado, an American disgrace". I don't think hardcore fans will fully warm to Delgado as I don't think I will.

11-23-2005, 11:59 PM	#32
three staR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	With Nady on the way, trading Jacobs was something that I thought would come soon. I wasn't surprised. Petit is a good prospect but the Mets are getting a quality batter in return that produces. It won't be like the last time we traded a top pitching prospect coughkazmircough. Plus, we get to keep Milledge!

11-25-2005, 01:04 AM	#35
toolboxnj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 192	I'm not questioning Delgado's ability because it certainly is there. But across the political spectrum (liberals, conservatives and everything in between) with the exception of those on the Upper West Side and at Columbia, New Yorkers tend to be fairly patriotic and proud of their country. Also, Delgado didn't want to come to NY in the first place. He would have signed as a free agent last year. Metropolitan fans, like myself, have nightmares of Alomar and Vaughn dancing in our heads. On the positive note, the Mets didn't give up anything to get him. Jacobs was a one-month wonder and Petit is nothing special. Plus, the Mets got nothing from 1B last year for the most part, a position which is generally an offensive one. And Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the United States. Hat tip to Wikipedia: Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens since 1917 by a statutory law called the Jones-Shafroth Act (or Jones Act) which can be modified at any time by the US Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Puerto_Rico)