Rangers Rumors Pt. 2: Soriano to Mets

Mark Guest · 11-23-2005, 09:55 PM

Prior to the Mets acquiring Delgado, this was apparently a possible deal. Any thoughts on whether it could still be done?

We have some new details from my Mets source concerning a possible trade of Alfonso Soriano to the Mets. The latest report is that the Mets would send Lastings Milledge and Steve Trachsel to the Rangers for Soriano.

Lastings Milledge was ranked the 4th best outfield prospect in baseball by Baseball Prospectus before the 2005 season. He did nothing to change that perception in '05, batting .318 at Single and Double A stops. He projects to be worth 3 wins at the Major League level in 2006.

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 10:42 PM

first of all, I think this would be a very BAD trade for the Mets...

In 2005, Soriano ranked 19th in WARP (considers both offense and defense) for all MLB 2B, and he should be earning around $10M+ per year. To show how he is overrated, he is ranked worse than players such as Rich Aurilia and Mark Grudzielanek.

Soriano is overrated by fans/media alike because of his power bat. But, obviously, that's all he has since his defense is horrendous and his OBP isn't great either (.309 in 2005).

EDIT: Though Trachsel isn't spectacular either haha.. Milledge will be something special though

mikev · 11-23-2005, 10:58 PM

Soriano is basically Mark Ellis with a fat contract, a little more pop and WAY worse defense.

Any team that gives up top prospects for him is making a mistake IMO.

Mark Guest · 11-23-2005, 11:23 PM

If I'm not mistaken, isn't Milledge compared to Griffey Jr. in a lot of ways?

mikev · 11-23-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

If I'm not mistaken, isn't Milledge compared to Griffey Jr. in a lot of ways?

Nah, he's not an injury prone lefty

three staR · 11-23-2005, 11:54 PM

This would be a horrible trade for the Mets. I don't think we'll see this happening, but after that Thome trade anything can happen. I don't think Omar would do that though.

lincarnate · 11-24-2005, 12:22 PM

Pleasefortheloveofallthatisholydothisdeal, Jon.

darkhorse · 11-24-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

If I'm not mistaken, isn't Milledge compared to Griffey Jr. in a lot of ways?

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Originally Posted by mikev

Nah, he's not an injury prone lefty

Milledge is an A prospect. I dunno if they have a letter grade to properly rate how good Junior was as a minor leaguer.

JWay · 11-24-2005, 04:06 PM

Should be interesting...

DiMaggio5CF · 11-24-2005, 04:22 PM

Soriano would be good for the Mets, but they're giving up too much in the deal. I think they can wait the Rangers out and get Sori for less.

They do need another piece, but nothing has to be done right now.

If they can get Manny or Soriano later in the off-season, then just wait.

Faroo6 · 11-24-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

If they can get Manny or Soriano later in the off-season, then just wait.

I can't wait to see how improved that defense is.

rudel.dietrich · 11-24-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Any team that gives up top prospects for him is making a mistake IMO.

Is there anything is recent Mets history that suggests they make nothing but mistakes?

Mycroft · 11-24-2005, 09:28 PM

They signed Martinez.

I'm not saying it was genius, however, it wasn't a *mistake*.

rudel.dietrich · 11-24-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mycroft

They signed Martinez.

I'm not saying it was genius, however, it wasn't a *mistake*.

We still have three years left to find that out

Luis_Rivera · 11-24-2005, 11:37 PM

Pedro's value to the Mets is potentially much more than on-field performance. If he sets up a connection to the Dominican like he did with the Red Sox then his contract will be well worth it.

Mycroft · 11-25-2005, 02:57 AM

If we're talking financially, it's already worth it.

People, my wife and my sister as examples, who have only the barest understanding of baseball, recognize Pedro. The walk up business alone at home games, and the advertising revenue that Pedro's name generates as part of the franchise for a new network has probably already paid for his salary. I could go into more details if naysayers want to debate this point, but I'm hoping that people aren't going to be that . . . oh what's the word. . . stupid.

He was certainly worth it, in terms of entertainment value. Games were certainly more fun to watch last year.

As for lingering doubts as to Pedro's signing as a mistake. . . I'd be willing to put money down that he's worth it. He's better than retaining Leiter last year, that's for sure. Then the Mets would have ended up getting someone like Beckett and not having Heilman as a backup (Who would be the Mets backup then?). Now, *that* would have been a mistake.

Skipaway · 11-25-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

We still have three years left to find that out

Actually that's the wrong kind of thinking. You don't wait the deal to be up to see if it's a mistake. If Pedro suddenly suffered a freak injury tomorrow and got inefficient for the rest of the contract, that wouldn't make the deal a mistake.

If you buy a lottery ticket, you don't wait for the result to judge if buying it is a mistake. You calculate chances, and calculate all the financial and emotional values for you, and see if it's a mistake. Winning or not is luck.

11-23-2005, 09:55 PM	#1
Mark Guest Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 258	Rangers Rumors Pt. 2: Soriano to Mets Prior to the Mets acquiring Delgado, this was apparently a possible deal. Any thoughts on whether it could still be done? We have some new details from my Mets source concerning a possible trade of Alfonso Soriano to the Mets. The latest report is that the Mets would send Lastings Milledge and Steve Trachsel to the Rangers for Soriano. Lastings Milledge was ranked the 4th best outfield prospect in baseball by Baseball Prospectus before the 2005 season. He did nothing to change that perception in '05, batting .318 at Single and Double A stops. He projects to be worth 3 wins at the Major League level in 2006. __________________ Hickory Baseball League - Baltimore Orioles (WS Champs) Cooperstown Diamond Legends - Detroit Tigers (0-0) Smallball coming soon

11-23-2005, 10:42 PM	#2
bigdgp2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 606	first of all, I think this would be a very BAD trade for the Mets... In 2005, Soriano ranked 19th in WARP (considers both offense and defense) for all MLB 2B, and he should be earning around $10M+ per year. To show how he is overrated, he is ranked worse than players such as Rich Aurilia and Mark Grudzielanek. Soriano is overrated by fans/media alike because of his power bat. But, obviously, that's all he has since his defense is horrendous and his OBP isn't great either (.309 in 2005). EDIT: Though Trachsel isn't spectacular either haha.. Milledge will be something special though __________________ https://challenge.ootpdevelopments.c...lawlsopher.jpg Last edited by bigdgp2; 11-23-2005 at 10:44 PM.

11-23-2005, 10:58 PM	#3
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Soriano is basically Mark Ellis with a fat contract, a little more pop and WAY worse defense. Any team that gives up top prospects for him is making a mistake IMO. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

11-23-2005, 11:23 PM	#4
Mark Guest Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 258	If I'm not mistaken, isn't Milledge compared to Griffey Jr. in a lot of ways? __________________ Hickory Baseball League - Baltimore Orioles (WS Champs) Cooperstown Diamond Legends - Detroit Tigers (0-0) Smallball coming soon

11-23-2005, 11:54 PM	#6
three staR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	This would be a horrible trade for the Mets. I don't think we'll see this happening, but after that Thome trade anything can happen. I don't think Omar would do that though.

11-24-2005, 12:22 PM	#7
lincarnate Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 231	Pleasefortheloveofallthatisholydothisdeal, Jon.

11-24-2005, 04:06 PM	#9
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	Should be interesting...

11-24-2005, 04:22 PM	#10
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	Soriano would be good for the Mets, but they're giving up too much in the deal. I think they can wait the Rangers out and get Sori for less. They do need another piece, but nothing has to be done right now. If they can get Manny or Soriano later in the off-season, then just wait.

11-24-2005, 09:28 PM	#13
Mycroft Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 193	They signed Martinez. I'm not saying it was genius, however, it wasn't a mistake.

11-24-2005, 11:37 PM	#15
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	Pedro's value to the Mets is potentially much more than on-field performance. If he sets up a connection to the Dominican like he did with the Red Sox then his contract will be well worth it.

11-25-2005, 02:57 AM	#16
Mycroft Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 193	If we're talking financially, it's already worth it. People, my wife and my sister as examples, who have only the barest understanding of baseball, recognize Pedro. The walk up business alone at home games, and the advertising revenue that Pedro's name generates as part of the franchise for a new network has probably already paid for his salary. I could go into more details if naysayers want to debate this point, but I'm hoping that people aren't going to be that . . . oh what's the word. . . stupid. He was certainly worth it, in terms of entertainment value. Games were certainly more fun to watch last year. As for lingering doubts as to Pedro's signing as a mistake. . . I'd be willing to put money down that he's worth it. He's better than retaining Leiter last year, that's for sure. Then the Mets would have ended up getting someone like Beckett and not having Heilman as a backup (Who would be the Mets backup then?). Now, that would have been a mistake.