Trade Rumor: Jim Thome to White Sox - Page 3

Jason Moyer · 11-23-2005, 05:00 PM

Howard is very good but don't fall for the "25 year old rookie who shows potential and will be a star" thing. If he can contribute as much as Pat Burrell (which is a reasonable expectation) it can only help the team.

What the Phillies really need (and have needed for 10 years) is some pitching.

eriqjaffe · 11-23-2005, 05:01 PM

How heavily padded are the walls in Philly?

eriqjaffe · 11-23-2005, 05:46 PM

I guess it's as official as it gets:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASA...=.jsp&c_id=cws

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com...=.jsp&c_id=phi

SouthSoxFan · 11-23-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

What the Phillies really need (and have needed for 10 years) is some pitching.

Well, there apparently are a couple of pitching prospects in the deal, but those guys are years away.

JDOldSchool · 11-23-2005, 07:19 PM

This is probably my favorite trade in the history of professional sports. Thank you, Kenny! I guess I would've preferred Rowand on a team I gave a crap about, but now I have a favorite National League team.

By the way, I don't see how this is good for the White Sox at all. This is another in a long line of the Wheelin' and Dealin' Kenny doing really stupid things.

Mark Guest · 11-23-2005, 07:19 PM

Phillies didn't need Thome at all for that price.

Go Tribe · 11-23-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthSoxFan

Well, there apparently are a couple of pitching prospects in the deal, but those guys are years away.

those two pitching prospects are top 10 sox prospects. as a tribe fan, i LOVE this deal. hopefully they'll resign thomas and have the richest disabled list in the league by May

the funny thing is that i'm sure montreal fans said the same about sizemore and lee when the colon deal was announced way back when

Luis_Rivera · 11-23-2005, 07:32 PM

BHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Kenny Williams shows his true colors. What a dumbass.

three staR · 11-23-2005, 07:36 PM

I got PMs from people to tell me not to post such idiotic rumors. Shows what you know. I just post what I read/hear.

Luis_Rivera · 11-23-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by three staR

I got PMs from people to tell me not to post such idiotic rumors. Shows what you know. I just post what I read/hear.

Are you sure those weren't PM's telling you not to post such asinine predictions about Contreras??

three staR · 11-23-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Are you sure those weren't PM's telling you not to post such asinine predictions about Contreras??

No, one PM specifically said (and I will not mention who).

"Don't waste your time making up trade rumors especially idiotic ones that will never happen. If you have something real, then we'll talk about it. Not everything you hear on talk radio is true. There are many callers who "wish" certain deals happen. We don't need more BS cluttering the forums, we already have enough of that.

Just some constructive criticism. Others on the board will flame you all the time if you post crap like that. Just letting you know before hand as you get used to the community. "

MogulChamp · 11-23-2005, 07:43 PM

If this trade is only Rowand for Thome, well then it's actually not a bad trade.

We need a DH. Thome is a hell of a lot better than Everett. We have outfielders to spare. It's a shame we lost one of our better fielders, but I think we will be just fine.

It had to be done. If we can't sign Paulie, then this probably means we'll need someone else. Unless Ozzie goes with Iguchi batting 3rd, which I think he would thrive there.

Go Tribe · 11-23-2005, 07:50 PM

these outfielders to spare that you speak of...

take it you mean borchard and anderson?

good luck with that

darkhorse · 11-23-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

It had to be done.

The rationale behind many a bonehead deal.

jaxmagicman · 11-23-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

BHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Kenny Williams shows his true colors. What a dumbass.

I have been avoiding this thread. WHAT a bonehead trade!

JDOldSchool · 11-23-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

If this trade is only Rowand for Thome, well then it's actually not a bad trade.

We need a DH. Thome is a hell of a lot better than Everett. We have outfielders to spare. It's a shame we lost one of our better fielders, but I think we will be just fine.

It had to be done. If we can't sign Paulie, then this probably means we'll need someone else. Unless Ozzie goes with Iguchi batting 3rd, which I think he would thrive there.

Wait wait wait. First of all, it's not Rowand for Thome straight up. Secondly, it's not like DH is a tough position to fill. The only qualification is being able to swing a bat. They have just given up one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball for an old, injury-prone, overpaid DH. Rowand wasn't "one of our better fielders." He was the best defensive player on the team at one of the most important defensive positions. Brian Anderson (who should be the center fielder since Podsednik is so horrible there) will not replace Rowand.

It didn't have to be done. Unless Thome hits 50 home runs, and there's zero reason to expect this, it's a bad trade. The White Sox easily could've utilized Anderson by just having Podsednik DH. Sure, Podsednik isn't the prototypical DH but if they're so sure Anderson is ready then he'd more than make up for that.

This is, any way you slice it, a horrible deal. It's worse than the Lee trade, worse than the Colon deal (which actually was decent), and worse than the Ritchie deal. Can someone please bump this thread in 2009?

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 09:43 PM

From MLBTradeRumors.com...

"At this point, the Jim Thome for Aaron Rowand trade is old news (at least with the speed news travels around the Internet). ESPN is reporting that Buster Olney broke the trade, although I think Bruce Levine may have had it first.

One part of the deal that's getting zero publicity so far is the White Sox's inclusion of 22 year-old lefty starter Daniel Haigwood. Once you add it all up, receiving Jim Thome and $22MM for Aaron Rowand, Haigwood, and a third player is nowhere near a good deal for the Sox. For this article, I want to focus on the potential of the known minor leaguer."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/1...verlook_h.html

more on it there

From the looks of it... I think good ole Sox GM Kenster messed up again... figures eh?

kingcharlesxii · 11-24-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

It's worse than the Lee trade

BTW, the Brewers thank the Sox again for that trade!

CommishJoe · 11-24-2005, 12:23 AM

I was hoping the Yanks would be able to steal Rowand from the Sox. Ah well. Congrads to Philly for getting there first.

attackemu · 11-24-2005, 12:48 AM

Great, great, great trade for the Phillies. I'm surprised they were a) able to get anyone to take on Thome's contract and b) able to get something good out of it when everyone knew they needed to move Thome bad and c) didn't have to wait for the Winter Meetings to make it happen.

If Thome has a comeback, then that'd be swell for the Sox but even if he does, this is a long-term loss.

11-23-2005, 05:00 PM	#41
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,108	Howard is very good but don't fall for the "25 year old rookie who shows potential and will be a star" thing. If he can contribute as much as Pat Burrell (which is a reasonable expectation) it can only help the team. What the Phillies really need (and have needed for 10 years) is some pitching. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

11-23-2005, 05:01 PM	#42
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11-23-2005, 05:46 PM	#43
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,733	I guess it's as official as it gets: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASA...=.jsp&c_id=cws http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com...=.jsp&c_id=phi __________________

11-23-2005, 07:19 PM	#46
Mark Guest Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 258	Phillies didn't need Thome at all for that price. __________________ Hickory Baseball League - Baltimore Orioles (WS Champs) Cooperstown Diamond Legends - Detroit Tigers (0-0) Smallball coming soon

11-23-2005, 09:43 PM	#57
bigdgp2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 606	From MLBTradeRumors.com... "At this point, the Jim Thome for Aaron Rowand trade is old news (at least with the speed news travels around the Internet). ESPN is reporting that Buster Olney broke the trade, although I think Bruce Levine may have had it first. One part of the deal that's getting zero publicity so far is the White Sox's inclusion of 22 year-old lefty starter Daniel Haigwood. Once you add it all up, receiving Jim Thome and $22MM for Aaron Rowand, Haigwood, and a third player is nowhere near a good deal for the Sox. For this article, I want to focus on the potential of the known minor leaguer." http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/1...verlook_h.html more on it there From the looks of it... I think good ole Sox GM Kenster messed up again... figures eh? __________________ https://challenge.ootpdevelopments.c...lawlsopher.jpg

11-23-2005, 07:19 PM	#45
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	This is probably my favorite trade in the history of professional sports. Thank you, Kenny! I guess I would've preferred Rowand on a team I gave a crap about, but now I have a favorite National League team. By the way, I don't see how this is good for the White Sox at all. This is another in a long line of the Wheelin' and Dealin' Kenny doing really stupid things.

11-23-2005, 07:32 PM	#48
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	BHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Kenny Williams shows his true colors. What a dumbass.

11-23-2005, 07:36 PM	#49
three staR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	I got PMs from people to tell me not to post such idiotic rumors. Shows what you know. I just post what I read/hear.

11-23-2005, 07:43 PM	#52
MogulChamp All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 656	If this trade is only Rowand for Thome, well then it's actually not a bad trade. We need a DH. Thome is a hell of a lot better than Everett. We have outfielders to spare. It's a shame we lost one of our better fielders, but I think we will be just fine. It had to be done. If we can't sign Paulie, then this probably means we'll need someone else. Unless Ozzie goes with Iguchi batting 3rd, which I think he would thrive there.

11-23-2005, 07:50 PM	#53
Go Tribe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,534 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	these outfielders to spare that you speak of... take it you mean borchard and anderson? good luck with that

11-24-2005, 12:23 AM	#59
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I was hoping the Yanks would be able to steal Rowand from the Sox. Ah well. Congrads to Philly for getting there first. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

11-24-2005, 12:48 AM	#60
attackemu All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 972	Great, great, great trade for the Phillies. I'm surprised they were a) able to get anyone to take on Thome's contract and b) able to get something good out of it when everyone knew they needed to move Thome bad and c) didn't have to wait for the Winter Meetings to make it happen. If Thome has a comeback, then that'd be swell for the Sox but even if he does, this is a long-term loss. __________________ "Disguised in EMU's Blunt and sometimes hostile post is actually very sound advice. I think you would be wise to consider what he said." -ihatenames