Trade Rumor: Jim Thome to White Sox

three staR · 11-22-2005, 08:52 PM

The White Sox are rumored to be talking to the Phillies about Jim Thome. Thome would be sent to the Sox for some combination of Aaron Rowand, Jose Contreras, and Brandon McCarthy. The Phillies would also be paying the "majority" of Thome's contract.

Do the White Sox really need Thome? I think Contreras will only get better. The White Sox have six starters but I would categorize Contreras as #2 in their roation. He had a dominant second half of the season and will probably carry over to this season. I guess if Philly pays off the $45 million (approximate) he is scheduled to receive for the next 3 years, it would make the deal much more fair. It still does not make much sense for the White Sox to do.

lincarnate · 11-22-2005, 09:07 PM

If I'm Philly, I trade Thome straight up for any of them. Also, this seems like the type of move the old Kenny Williams would make, and I for one welcome him back.

OTBA Team · 11-22-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by three staR

I think Contreras will only get better.

Unless Contreras spends his winter looking for the fountain of youth, I'd be hard pressed to think that.

three staR · 11-22-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OTBA Team

Unless Contreras spends his winter looking for the fountain of youth, I'd be hard pressed to think that.

Did you follow the second half of his season? 2.91 ERA after the All Star Break. I predict Contreras being a 18 game winner this year with an ERA hovering a bit over 3.00.

mikev · 11-22-2005, 09:14 PM

I think the White Sox are going to make it a priority to resign Konerko, thus negating the need for an aging/deteriorating slugger at 1B.

DiMaggio5CF · 11-22-2005, 09:48 PM

Link?

Mark Guest · 11-22-2005, 09:53 PM

I don't think Chicago would trade Contreras and I don't think anyone would trade for him.

OTBA Team · 11-22-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by three staR

Did you follow the second half of his season? 2.91 ERA after the All Star Break. I predict Contreras being a 18 game winner this year with an ERA hovering a bit over 3.00.

Yes. Did you watch the first half when he seemed old and lethargic? Hmm, I smell a wager coming.

OTBA Team · 11-22-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

I think the White Sox are going to make it a priority to resign Konerko, thus negating the need for an aging/deteriorating slugger at 1B.

Nah. They are looking at him to be a DH instead and hope to bring back P.K. also. If the Phillies will pay most of his salary, as long as they don't give up McCarthy, I think it would be a fine deal.

three staR · 11-22-2005, 09:54 PM

I don't have a link. I found it on a messageboard and also heard it on ESPN Radio.

bigdgp2 · 11-22-2005, 10:12 PM

I know this... if the White Sox team OBP doesn't get better next season... expect a drop off (Just look at the 2003 Angels and how they kept their team together after they won the 2002 world series)

Karros270 · 11-22-2005, 10:17 PM

I hear Frak Thomas is available. If they're looking for an aging 1B why not go that route? He'd be a lot cheaper.

QuestGAV · 11-22-2005, 10:23 PM

This trade would border on idiocy for the White Sox.

messenjah · 11-22-2005, 10:26 PM

An oft injured, aging, declining 1B owed a lot of money, for a great pitching prospect, a slick fielding young CF and a decent possibly dominating starter. What's not fair about this deal?

three staR · 11-22-2005, 10:30 PM

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Word from ESPN Radio 1000 in Chicago is that the White Sox are talking to the Phillies about Jim Thome. Apparently the Sox would acquire Thome for some combination of Aaron Rowand, Jose Contreras, and Brandon McCarthy. The Phillies would pay the "majority" of Thome's contract.

MLBTradeRumors.com is skeptical to say the least. We haven't received confirmation yet on which ESPN reporter floated this rumor, but the memory of Bruce Levine announcing an imminent Juan Pierre deal is all too fresh. As proposed, this is simply way too much value for the White Sox to give up for Thome.

It makes sense for Rowand to be involved - he's at the peak of his perceived value and the Phillies need a centerfielder. Scott Podsednik could easily slide over to take Rowand's place. However, a healthy Thome as DH vs. Rowand in center field could easily be equal in value in 2006. We're talking 5-6 wins from each player.

While it's true the White Sox potentially have six starting pitchers, the club would be advised not to depend on anything from Orlando Hernandez. Shipping off Jose Contreras after his dominant second half (2.91 ERA) probably isn't going to happen. Trading a young player with the promise and affordability of Brandon McCarthy seems equally unlikely. On the other hand, Kenny Williams did deal top prospect Jeremy Reed to Seattle to acquire Freddy Garcia.

Does the money make sense? The ESPN report claims that the Phillies would be paying the majority of Thome's contract. Thome is due $12.5MM in 2006 and $14MM in 2007, $14MM in 2008, and a $3MM buyout in 2009. (Wow, now that's a bad contract). Would the Phillies really pick up the tab on most of $43.5MM? I presume we're talking somewhere around $30MM.

If so, three years of Thome for $4.5MM annually is a solid gamble for the White Sox. Considering the way U.S. Cellular inflates home run totals for left-handed hitters, 40 HR could turn into 46 pretty easily. Rowand has yet to reach free agency and is due $3.25MM in '06 with a $5MM club option for '07.

A trade of Thome and $30MM for Rowand is feasible for the Sox, assuming Thome is healthy. If the Sox made the ill-advised move to include a starting pitcher, Phillies management could justify the deal.

We'll keep you posted as details surface about these trade talks.

Thanks to Alex."

Don't know what site that was off of but I found it on another messageboard, someone heard the same thing.

ozziethesaint · 11-22-2005, 11:38 PM

This could potentially turn into a steal for the Chisox. Thome is busting his rear to make sure he's in the best shape of his career. Not to mention playing close to home allowing for his family and friends to be close and come to games alot of the time could really revive him.I think this move woudl make perfect sense for both teams..The Chisox need another big bat and the Phils need to clear room for Howard and still add more useful parts.

darkhorse · 11-22-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ozziethesaint

This could potentially turn into a steal for the Chisox. Thome is busting his rear to make sure he's in the best shape of his career. Not to mention playing close to home allowing for his family and friends to be close and come to games alot of the time could really revive him.I think this move woudl make perfect sense for both teams..The Chisox need another big bat and the Phils need to clear room for Howard and still add more useful parts.

Yeah, but Thome is old, 3 years older than Lowell, and coming off a bad year.

ozziethesaint · 11-23-2005, 01:01 AM

Yea but he's dedicated to proving he can still play

lincarnate · 11-23-2005, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ozziethesaint

Yea but he's dedicated to proving he can still play

And how come Mike Lowell isn't?

Gastric ReFlux · 11-23-2005, 07:49 AM

If the White Sox offered Scott Podsednik for Thome and Philly paying most of Thome's contract, I'd take it. Along with a year's supply of whatever it is the front office in Chicago is smoking if they do it.

11-22-2005, 08:52 PM	#1
three staR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	Trade Rumor: Jim Thome to White Sox The White Sox are rumored to be talking to the Phillies about Jim Thome. Thome would be sent to the Sox for some combination of Aaron Rowand, Jose Contreras, and Brandon McCarthy. The Phillies would also be paying the "majority" of Thome's contract. Do the White Sox really need Thome? I think Contreras will only get better. The White Sox have six starters but I would categorize Contreras as #2 in their roation. He had a dominant second half of the season and will probably carry over to this season. I guess if Philly pays off the $45 million (approximate) he is scheduled to receive for the next 3 years, it would make the deal much more fair. It still does not make much sense for the White Sox to do.

11-22-2005, 09:14 PM	#5
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11-22-2005, 09:53 PM	#7
Mark Guest Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 258	I don't think Chicago would trade Contreras and I don't think anyone would trade for him. __________________ Hickory Baseball League - Baltimore Orioles (WS Champs) Cooperstown Diamond Legends - Detroit Tigers (0-0) Smallball coming soon

11-22-2005, 09:54 PM	#10
three staR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	I don't have a link. I found it on a messageboard and also heard it on ESPN Radio. Last edited by three staR; 11-22-2005 at 10:30 PM.

11-22-2005, 10:12 PM	#11
bigdgp2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 606	I know this... if the White Sox team OBP doesn't get better next season... expect a drop off (Just look at the 2003 Angels and how they kept their team together after they won the 2002 world series) __________________ https://challenge.ootpdevelopments.c...lawlsopher.jpg

11-22-2005, 09:07 PM	#2
lincarnate Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 231	If I'm Philly, I trade Thome straight up for any of them. Also, this seems like the type of move the old Kenny Williams would make, and I for one welcome him back. Last edited by lincarnate; 11-22-2005 at 09:09 PM.

11-22-2005, 09:48 PM	#6
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	Link?

11-22-2005, 10:17 PM	#12
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	I hear Frak Thomas is available. If they're looking for an aging 1B why not go that route? He'd be a lot cheaper. __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

11-22-2005, 10:23 PM	#13
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	This trade would border on idiocy for the White Sox.

11-22-2005, 10:26 PM	#14
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	An oft injured, aging, declining 1B owed a lot of money, for a great pitching prospect, a slick fielding young CF and a decent possibly dominating starter. What's not fair about this deal?

11-22-2005, 10:30 PM	#15
three staR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	" Word from ESPN Radio 1000 in Chicago is that the White Sox are talking to the Phillies about Jim Thome. Apparently the Sox would acquire Thome for some combination of Aaron Rowand, Jose Contreras, and Brandon McCarthy. The Phillies would pay the "majority" of Thome's contract. MLBTradeRumors.com is skeptical to say the least. We haven't received confirmation yet on which ESPN reporter floated this rumor, but the memory of Bruce Levine announcing an imminent Juan Pierre deal is all too fresh. As proposed, this is simply way too much value for the White Sox to give up for Thome. It makes sense for Rowand to be involved - he's at the peak of his perceived value and the Phillies need a centerfielder. Scott Podsednik could easily slide over to take Rowand's place. However, a healthy Thome as DH vs. Rowand in center field could easily be equal in value in 2006. We're talking 5-6 wins from each player. While it's true the White Sox potentially have six starting pitchers, the club would be advised not to depend on anything from Orlando Hernandez. Shipping off Jose Contreras after his dominant second half (2.91 ERA) probably isn't going to happen. Trading a young player with the promise and affordability of Brandon McCarthy seems equally unlikely. On the other hand, Kenny Williams did deal top prospect Jeremy Reed to Seattle to acquire Freddy Garcia. Does the money make sense? The ESPN report claims that the Phillies would be paying the majority of Thome's contract. Thome is due $12.5MM in 2006 and $14MM in 2007, $14MM in 2008, and a $3MM buyout in 2009. (Wow, now that's a bad contract). Would the Phillies really pick up the tab on most of $43.5MM? I presume we're talking somewhere around $30MM. If so, three years of Thome for $4.5MM annually is a solid gamble for the White Sox. Considering the way U.S. Cellular inflates home run totals for left-handed hitters, 40 HR could turn into 46 pretty easily. Rowand has yet to reach free agency and is due $3.25MM in '06 with a $5MM club option for '07. A trade of Thome and $30MM for Rowand is feasible for the Sox, assuming Thome is healthy. If the Sox made the ill-advised move to include a starting pitcher, Phillies management could justify the deal. We'll keep you posted as details surface about these trade talks. Thanks to Alex." Don't know what site that was off of but I found it on another messageboard, someone heard the same thing.

11-22-2005, 11:38 PM	#16
ozziethesaint Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Peoria IL Posts: 831	This could potentially turn into a steal for the Chisox. Thome is busting his rear to make sure he's in the best shape of his career. Not to mention playing close to home allowing for his family and friends to be close and come to games alot of the time could really revive him.I think this move woudl make perfect sense for both teams..The Chisox need another big bat and the Phils need to clear room for Howard and still add more useful parts.

11-23-2005, 01:01 AM	#18
ozziethesaint Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Peoria IL Posts: 831	Yea but he's dedicated to proving he can still play

11-23-2005, 07:49 AM	#20
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	If the White Sox offered Scott Podsednik for Thome and Philly paying most of Thome's contract, I'd take it. Along with a year's supply of whatever it is the front office in Chicago is smoking if they do it.