Trading Block

Jimmy Jack · 11-24-2002, 11:35 AM

I've encountered a little problem when playing OOTP4. I read the league transaction news and it states that 'so and so' has been put on the trading block, but when I try to acquire them it just says we will not trade 'so and so'. Has anyone else experienced this as well? I haven't downloaded version 4.2 yet because I'm too into the game I'm playing at the moment.

Nirvana91 · 11-24-2002, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmy Jack
I've encountered a little problem when playing OOTP4. I read the league transaction news and it states that 'so and so' has been put on the trading block, but when I try to acquire them it just says we will not trade 'so and so'. Has anyone else experienced this as well? I haven't downloaded version 4.2 yet because I'm too into the game I'm playing at the moment.

"We will not trade player X" doesn't actually mean that. It basicaly means: "Your trade offer sucks so much that we won't even consider it. We'd like to trade player X, but give us a break, that offer blows."

JoeRockEHF · 11-24-2002, 07:50 PM

I had the same problem before. There's a thread on here about it somewhere if you search.

SSG Troyer · 11-24-2002, 08:13 PM

Just like the "We can't imagine a reasonable offer that involves X." They'll frequently still trade him, you've just got to offer a lot. There's just no deal that offers comparable value. The AI will allow you to rip yourself off, though.

Andy · 11-24-2002, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmy Jack
I haven't downloaded version 4.2 yet because I'm too into the game I'm playing at the moment.

You don't have to start over when you download the update. You can apply 4.2 to any current season and have no problems.

Jimmy Jack · 11-25-2002, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by Andy
You don't have to start over when you download the update. You can apply 4.2 to any current season and have no problems.

I didn't know that. I'd appreciate any help in explaining how to do this.

Treches · 11-25-2002, 09:21 AM

Just d/l the patch and unzip the .exe file in it on the folder where you have OOTP4 installed, overwritting the old .exe file.

OldGiants · 12-05-2002, 05:41 PM

I encountered the same issue as Jimmy Jack, and I did considerable testing to see if I was simply making unreasonable offers.

I added my star players (and looked at salary issues, too) to my offer (trades so unbalanced in favor of the team with the player on the block I would never push the 'accept' button) Yet even these trade offers invariably produced the "we won't trade Joe Blow" message. It happened with over 10 differnent players on 6 different AI teams.

so I think this is more in the 'bug' category than simply not offering a good deal

fantom1979 · 12-05-2002, 10:30 PM

Thats weird OldGiants, I can for the most part get just about any player in the league if I offer enough.

CMH · 12-08-2002, 06:45 PM

another problem i've noticed is this:

A computer team will offer me a trade. Player A for Player B.

Now keep in mind that the 7 day expiration period has not passed and the player has not been moved.

I go straight to the Trade Feature in the game, yes i ignored the email (I was testing something) and decided to build the same trade. The AI responded with a, "that trade wouldn't help us"

???

They can offer ME the trade but not feel the trade is the same when i offer the trade?

The trade AI is great, i respect it a lot but it's the little things that annoy me. It's almost as if the AI doesnt really know what they are doin at times and EMAIL trades are different from trades in the trade a player section of the game. that shouldn't be.

I also really feel there is no connection between player block and the trade a player section. Yes people say the offer is out of hand, but even when you offer something of value to the team, they respond with a "we wont trade Player A" yet they have him on the trade block.

I really dont think there is a direct connection between the block, emails, and the trade feature. It appears as if the trade block is more for AI to AI trades. Hopefully this is something that could be looked into.

Steve Kuffrey · 12-08-2002, 07:47 PM

In my experience in using the trade block, I have traded a number of players that I placed there to computer owned teams. They don't always get "looked at", I've had players sit there for over a year with NO offers, but I have also traded away a number of players I placed there.

In reference to your experiment of getting a trade offer then going to the "trade area" and setting up the same trade to see if it would fly and having it come back rejected. I see that as "possibly" like the idea of "I like it IF I thought it up, not if you did" kinda thing. No facts to back this up, per se but I know that human's act this way.

fantom1979 · 12-08-2002, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by YankeePride

I go straight to the Trade Feature in the game, yes i ignored the email (I was testing something) and decided to build the same trade. The AI responded with a, "that trade wouldn't help us"

???

Seen this before...

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey

In reference to your experiment of getting a trade offer then going to the "trade area" and setting up the same trade to see if it would fly and having it come back rejected. I see that as "possibly" like the idea of "I like it IF I thought it up, not if you did" kinda thing. No facts to back this up, per se but I know that human's act this way.

What a great answer for this. I can tell you were saving that answer for a while lol.

Treches · 12-09-2002, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
In reference to your experiment of getting a trade offer then going to the "trade area" and setting up the same trade to see if it would fly and having it come back rejected. I see that as "possibly" like the idea of "I like it IF I thought it up, not if you did" kinda thing. No facts to back this up, per se but I know that human's act this way.

Ever thought about a career in politics, Steve? I'm sure you would do well.

OldGiants · 12-09-2002, 04:32 PM

I've had the same experiecne YankeePride had with e-mail trades, but there have been times when I've gone back and offered the same trade and had it accepted, too. And after the seven-day window of opportunity was closed, too. (I had not stopped the game because I though the message would ony be a "we won Mothers' Day' message.)

But I have repeated my attempts to get solid players on the trading block with overwhelming offers and gotten nothing--even when I offer my all-star starter at the three positions the offering team needs.

I like Steve's answer because I've worked for a lot of people who acted that way.

ctorg · 12-10-2002, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by OldGiants
(I had not stopped the game because I though the message would ony be a "we won Mothers' Day' message.)

Don't you hate that? That's something that should be changed. We should be either be able to read e-mail without stopping a sim or be able to tell exactly what kind of e-mail it is (I know it shows that for trade offers, so why not for player info or what not?).

blynch10 · 12-11-2002, 07:52 AM

Have you tried swithcing the teams on the trade screen? Instead of your team being the offering team make them the receiving team and the computer team the offering team. Build the exact same offer and see if it likes the trade that way. I'd been messing around and it seemed that the AI liked a trade that way when it didn't with the original setup of me being the offering team.

This could have absoulutely no bearing on the trade since I never really did any extended tests. Just seems that if the AI was initiating the trade, having the trade screen configured the way the AI was looking at it when it emailed might make a difference.

I'd like to see a button for players on the trading block added to all the screens to filter out the other players. Would be great when doing trades to see what a team has on the trading block instead of having to go to each teams transaction page...and would also help me remember who I had on the block.

I also wish that the email popup would tell you the subject of the email. I hate stopping to see that my fan loyalty increased slightly. Trade offers are listed but everything else is unknown email. Having a switch to turn on what type of email notification you wish to receive and don't wish to receive as a popup would be just as good.

TotalEnd98 · 12-11-2002, 12:33 PM

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Have you tried swithcing the teams on the trade screen? Instead of your team being the offering team make them the receiving team and the computer team the offering team. Build the exact same offer and see if it likes the trade that way. I'd been messing around and it seemed that the AI liked a trade that way when it didn't with the original setup of me being the offering team.

No, no, no, no, no.

When you switch the offers on the trade screen, you're cheating. The "That's a good offer!" result when you get that is because the program ALWAYS looks at the trade from the RECEIVING team's point of view. It's not that the AI likes the trade that way, it's that they have no say in it.

Try this: Have any team offer their lowest, no-talent A-ball player to Montreal for Vlad Guerrero, Jose Vidro, and Bartolo Colon. No deal. Then, have Montreal be the OFFERING team, and put the same three players up for the same scrub, and the other team (not Montreal, the "recieving team") will say "That's a good offer!" unless they can't afford them or something similar.

blynch10 · 12-11-2002, 01:14 PM

I didn't know it did it with all trades. That is funny.

OldGiants · 12-12-2002, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by ctorg
Don't you hate that? That's something that should be changed. We should be either be able to read e-mail without stopping a sim or be able to tell exactly what kind of e-mail it is (I know it shows that for trade offers, so why not for player info or what not?).

Definitely one of the few things about OOTP4 that irk me. Let us customize the e-mails that will stop play so we can avoid these.

CMH · 12-12-2002, 11:44 AM

Great answer Steve. lol.

However, while I like adding that whole aspect of "pretending" that's what's goin on, I would really like for it to be looked into.

Obviously, my word is only my word. But there are quite a few times where we pretend something is happening just to pretend that we didnt notice a small hole in the AI.

Like i said before, I think this game is light years ahead of the competition. I guess, maybe i'm being spoiled though. I see how great this game is and the second i notice one tiny hole I think it cant be possible, this must be fixed! Ya know?

In a sense, i'm just trying to help out. I dont wanna sound like a whiner and a complainer. Most of the time when i notice small holes, I mention them for the better of the game and for Markus to take notice. With the updates he's released, it's obvious that Markus is always reading our threads (or you Steve are at least mentioning to him what some people have said)

I appreciate that.

11-24-2002, 11:35 AM	#1
Jimmy Jack Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 117	Trading Block I've encountered a little problem when playing OOTP4. I read the league transaction news and it states that 'so and so' has been put on the trading block, but when I try to acquire them it just says we will not trade 'so and so'. Has anyone else experienced this as well? I haven't downloaded version 4.2 yet because I'm too into the game I'm playing at the moment.

11-24-2002, 07:50 PM	#3
JoeRockEHF All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Niles, MI Posts: 933	I had the same problem before. There's a thread on here about it somewhere if you search. __________________ PSN: JoeRockEHF

11-24-2002, 08:13 PM	#4
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	Just like the "We can't imagine a reasonable offer that involves X." They'll frequently still trade him, you've just got to offer a lot. There's just no deal that offers comparable value. The AI will allow you to rip yourself off, though. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

11-25-2002, 09:21 AM	#7
Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	Just d/l the patch and unzip the .exe file in it on the folder where you have OOTP4 installed, overwritting the old .exe file. __________________ The Computer Baseball League

12-05-2002, 10:30 PM	#9
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Thats weird OldGiants, I can for the most part get just about any player in the league if I offer enough. __________________

12-05-2002, 05:41 PM	#8
OldGiants Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 211	I encountered the same issue as Jimmy Jack, and I did considerable testing to see if I was simply making unreasonable offers. I added my star players (and looked at salary issues, too) to my offer (trades so unbalanced in favor of the team with the player on the block I would never push the 'accept' button) Yet even these trade offers invariably produced the "we won't trade Joe Blow" message. It happened with over 10 differnent players on 6 different AI teams. so I think this is more in the 'bug' category than simply not offering a good deal

12-08-2002, 06:45 PM	#10
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	another problem i've noticed is this: A computer team will offer me a trade. Player A for Player B. Now keep in mind that the 7 day expiration period has not passed and the player has not been moved. I go straight to the Trade Feature in the game, yes i ignored the email (I was testing something) and decided to build the same trade. The AI responded with a, "that trade wouldn't help us" ??? They can offer ME the trade but not feel the trade is the same when i offer the trade? The trade AI is great, i respect it a lot but it's the little things that annoy me. It's almost as if the AI doesnt really know what they are doin at times and EMAIL trades are different from trades in the trade a player section of the game. that shouldn't be. I also really feel there is no connection between player block and the trade a player section. Yes people say the offer is out of hand, but even when you offer something of value to the team, they respond with a "we wont trade Player A" yet they have him on the trade block. I really dont think there is a direct connection between the block, emails, and the trade feature. It appears as if the trade block is more for AI to AI trades. Hopefully this is something that could be looked into.

12-08-2002, 07:47 PM	#11
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	In my experience in using the trade block, I have traded a number of players that I placed there to computer owned teams. They don't always get "looked at", I've had players sit there for over a year with NO offers, but I have also traded away a number of players I placed there. In reference to your experiment of getting a trade offer then going to the "trade area" and setting up the same trade to see if it would fly and having it come back rejected. I see that as "possibly" like the idea of "I like it IF I thought it up, not if you did" kinda thing. No facts to back this up, per se but I know that human's act this way. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

12-09-2002, 04:32 PM	#14
OldGiants Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 211	I've had the same experiecne YankeePride had with e-mail trades, but there have been times when I've gone back and offered the same trade and had it accepted, too. And after the seven-day window of opportunity was closed, too. (I had not stopped the game because I though the message would ony be a "we won Mothers' Day' message.) But I have repeated my attempts to get solid players on the trading block with overwhelming offers and gotten nothing--even when I offer my all-star starter at the three positions the offering team needs. I like Steve's answer because I've worked for a lot of people who acted that way.

12-11-2002, 07:52 AM	#16
blynch10 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 273	Have you tried swithcing the teams on the trade screen? Instead of your team being the offering team make them the receiving team and the computer team the offering team. Build the exact same offer and see if it likes the trade that way. I'd been messing around and it seemed that the AI liked a trade that way when it didn't with the original setup of me being the offering team. This could have absoulutely no bearing on the trade since I never really did any extended tests. Just seems that if the AI was initiating the trade, having the trade screen configured the way the AI was looking at it when it emailed might make a difference. I'd like to see a button for players on the trading block added to all the screens to filter out the other players. Would be great when doing trades to see what a team has on the trading block instead of having to go to each teams transaction page...and would also help me remember who I had on the block. I also wish that the email popup would tell you the subject of the email. I hate stopping to see that my fan loyalty increased slightly. Trade offers are listed but everything else is unknown email. Having a switch to turn on what type of email notification you wish to receive and don't wish to receive as a popup would be just as good.

12-11-2002, 01:14 PM	#18
blynch10 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 273	I didn't know it did it with all trades. That is funny.

12-12-2002, 11:44 AM	#20
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Great answer Steve. lol. However, while I like adding that whole aspect of "pretending" that's what's goin on, I would really like for it to be looked into. Obviously, my word is only my word. But there are quite a few times where we pretend something is happening just to pretend that we didnt notice a small hole in the AI. Like i said before, I think this game is light years ahead of the competition. I guess, maybe i'm being spoiled though. I see how great this game is and the second i notice one tiny hole I think it cant be possible, this must be fixed! Ya know? In a sense, i'm just trying to help out. I dont wanna sound like a whiner and a complainer. Most of the time when i notice small holes, I mention them for the better of the game and for Markus to take notice. With the updates he's released, it's obvious that Markus is always reading our threads (or you Steve are at least mentioning to him what some people have said) I appreciate that.