Madden Hist. Baseball League (MHBL).

MTGian · 11-19-2002, 07:04 PM

Greetings,

Didn't want to step on any toes, so I tried the oddest combination of letters I could think of. So, hope MHBL isn't taken. Why Madden? Inside story (joke).

I have read some of the other writeups for leagues, and I am knocked down by the amount of time and energy that people have spent. All credit to those people. I admit that I am not going to spend that kind of effort on writing up this league. So, up to you if you want to bother reading about it. I do plan to do a few things fairly different, so let me discuss the structure.

1) The league will start in 1878.

2) It will use one of my normalized databases (which people didn't seem to care about -- kinda surprising). The career average with delayed debuts database.

3) It will use four man rotations from day one to the end of the league. This will require starting with four teams in 1878. Expansion will occur rapidly, and the 16 team structure that most leagues eventually use will be in place by 1885.

4) Drafting will be done entirely by me each year. Since we all know that the best player as often as not does not go to the worst team, I plan to randomly re-distribute the teams before doing the drafting.

5) I will also set the lineups. The computer is a ****** when it comes to setting proper lineups. "Billy Hamilton is a leadoff hitter!"

6) Injuries and trading will be off. The problem with me setting everything myself is that I can't have the computer help me. The instant the computer is back on, it screws up all of my lineups. So, that makes it impossible to do injuries and/or trading. Any ideas on this one? Maybe I will rethink this one. It would save work not having to do lineups, but it is frustrating watching the computer make ass backwards lineups.

Michael T. Gianvecchio

P.S. If the expansion screws everything up, I may have to start again in 1885 with 16 teams. I am not going to break my back for a handful of years. I simply wanted to give some of the early stars a chance to have full (or close ot it) careers.

MTGian · 11-19-2002, 07:29 PM

Greetings,

This will show the initial four teams that I chose. I glanced at baseballreference.com to try and find the franchises with the longest histories. These teams won out.

If you are interested in any player ratings, let me know.

Initial draft results:

Round 1:
New York (N) pick: P Jim Devlin
Chicago (N) pick: P Al Spalding
Boston (N) pick: SS John Ward
Philadelphia (N) pick: P Candy Cummings

Round 2 :
New York (N) pick: 2B Ross Barnes
Chicago (N) pick: CF Charley Jones
Boston (N) pick: LF Lip Pike
Philadelphia (N) pick: 3B Levi Meyerle

Round 3 :
New York (N) pick: 1B Cal Mcvey
Chicago (N) pick: 1B Cap Anson
Boston (N) pick: CF King Kelly
Philadelphia (N) pick: LF George Hall

Round 4 :
New York (N) pick: P Tommy Bond
Chicago (N) pick: P Sam Weaver
Boston (N) pick: P George Bradley
Philadelphia (N) pick: P Cherokee Fisher

Round 5 :
New York (N) pick: P Terry Larkin
Chicago (N) pick: P Jim Mccormick
Boston (N) pick: P George Zettlein
Philadelphia (N) pick: P Dick Mcbride

Round 6 :
New York (N) pick: CF Jim O'rourke
Chicago (N) pick: SS George Wright
Boston (N) pick: RF Abner Dalrymple
Philadelphia (N) pick: CF Paul Hines

Round 7 :
New York (N) pick: 3B Deacon White
Chicago (N) pick: CF Orator Shaffer
Boston (N) pick: 1B Joe Start
Philadelphia (N) pick: 1B Wes Fisler

Round 8 :
New York (N) pick: CF Dick Higham
Chicago (N) pick: 3B Ezra Sutton
Boston (N) pick: C John Clapp
Philadelphia (N) pick: RF Andy Leonard

Round 9 :
New York (N) pick: LF Mike Dorgan
Chicago (N) pick: 2B Bill Craver
Boston (N) pick: 3B Ned Williamson
Philadelphia (N) pick: C Doug Allison

Round 10 :
New York (N) pick: C Scott Hastings
Chicago (N) pick: LF George Bechtel
Boston (N) pick: SS John Peters
Philadelphia (N) pick: 2B Mike Mcgeary

Round 11 :
New York (N) pick: SS Candy Nelson
Chicago (N) pick: C Lew Brown
Boston (N) pick: 2B Bill Mcclellan
Philadelphia (N) pick: SS Davy Force

Round 12 :
New York (N) pick: P Bobby Mathews
Chicago (N) pick: P Will White
Boston (N) pick: P Jim Britt
Philadelphia (N) pick: P Tricky Nichols

Round 13 :
New York (N) pick: P Asa Brainard
Chicago (N) pick: RF Tom York
Boston (N) pick: 1B John Morrill
Philadelphia (N) pick: P Bill Stearns

Round 14 :
New York (N) pick: 1B Tim Murnane
Chicago (N) pick: CF John Hatfield
Boston (N) pick: P The only Nolan
Philadelphia (N) pick: CF Ned Cuthbert

Round 15 :
New York (N) pick: CF Fred Treacey
Chicago (N) pick: RF Jack Manning
Boston (N) pick: 1B Everett Mills
Philadelphia (N) pick: 2B Jack Burdock

Round 16 :
New York (N) pick: 3B Harry Schafer
Chicago (N) pick: SS Chick Fulmer
Boston (N) pick: RF Bill Crowley
Philadelphia (N) pick: SS Tom Carey

Round 17 :
New York (N) pick: CF Jim Holdsworth
Chicago (N) pick: P John Mcmullin
Boston (N) pick: RF Jack Remsen
Philadelphia (N) pick: C Pop Snyder

Round 18 :
New York (N) pick: LF Bob Addy
Chicago (N) pick: 3B Bob Ferguson
Boston (N) pick: RF Dave Eggler
Philadelphia (N) pick: C Fergy Malone

Round 19 :
New York (N) pick: C Silver Flint
Chicago (N) pick: 1B Juice Latham
Boston (N) pick: CF Bill Harbidge
Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Lon Knight

Round 20 :
New York (N) pick: RF Jim Clinton
Chicago (N) pick: 3B Frank Hankinson
Boston (N) pick: 3B Bill Hague
Philadelphia (N) pick: 3B Joe Battin

Round 21 :
New York (N) pick: C Nat Hicks
Chicago (N) pick: 2B Joe Gerhardt
Boston (N) pick: LF John Glenn
Philadelphia (N) pick: CF John Cassidy

Round 22 :
New York (N) pick: 2B Joe Quest
Chicago (N) pick: LF Eddie Booth
Boston (N) pick: SS Dickey Pearce
Philadelphia (N) pick: 1B Denny Mack

Round 23 :
New York (N) pick: 1B Herman Dehlman

MTGian · 11-19-2002, 07:30 PM

Greetings,

Just thought of something else worth mentioning. No financials.

MTG

Nukester · 11-19-2002, 08:52 PM

Nice. Looking forward to hearing about some of the very early stars, since I didn't start my solo league until 1903.

MTGian · 11-19-2002, 09:07 PM

Nukester,

Thanks. Hope it stays interesting.

A couple other things. I plan on using 162 game seasons. This is pretty arbitrary, and I did consider 154. However, mide as well use what we are comfortable with.

Why not go with the actual length in the seasons played? This isn't meant to be a copy of what happened in real life. Far from it. Franchises will be different. Structure will be different. I wanted something that made stars a little more comparable from era to era. Sticking with the same length seasons accomlishes that.

Michael T. Gianvecchio

blubbla · 11-20-2002, 12:00 AM

Got a suggestion for you concerning those databases.

They may gain more interest if you make a post about them in the main OOTP forum... more people wander through there I would think.

I certainly would use them, but right now I'm running a league of a different sort, and don't want to try anything else until it's complete.

Good luck with your new league. I will be watching for your notes.

11-19-2002, 07:04 PM	#1
MTGian Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 233	Madden Historical Baseball League (MHBL). Greetings, Didn't want to step on any toes, so I tried the oddest combination of letters I could think of. So, hope MHBL isn't taken. Why Madden? Inside story (joke). I have read some of the other writeups for leagues, and I am knocked down by the amount of time and energy that people have spent. All credit to those people. I admit that I am not going to spend that kind of effort on writing up this league. So, up to you if you want to bother reading about it. I do plan to do a few things fairly different, so let me discuss the structure. 1) The league will start in 1878. 2) It will use one of my normalized databases (which people didn't seem to care about -- kinda surprising). The career average with delayed debuts database. 3) It will use four man rotations from day one to the end of the league. This will require starting with four teams in 1878. Expansion will occur rapidly, and the 16 team structure that most leagues eventually use will be in place by 1885. 4) Drafting will be done entirely by me each year. Since we all know that the best player as often as not does not go to the worst team, I plan to randomly re-distribute the teams before doing the drafting. 5) I will also set the lineups. The computer is a ****** when it comes to setting proper lineups. "Billy Hamilton is a leadoff hitter!" 6) Injuries and trading will be off. The problem with me setting everything myself is that I can't have the computer help me. The instant the computer is back on, it screws up all of my lineups. So, that makes it impossible to do injuries and/or trading. Any ideas on this one? Maybe I will rethink this one. It would save work not having to do lineups, but it is frustrating watching the computer make ass backwards lineups. Michael T. Gianvecchio P.S. If the expansion screws everything up, I may have to start again in 1885 with 16 teams. I am not going to break my back for a handful of years. I simply wanted to give some of the early stars a chance to have full (or close ot it) careers. Last edited by MTGian; 11-19-2002 at 07:48 PM.

11-19-2002, 07:29 PM	#2
MTGian Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 233	Greetings, This will show the initial four teams that I chose. I glanced at baseballreference.com to try and find the franchises with the longest histories. These teams won out. If you are interested in any player ratings, let me know. Initial draft results: Round 1: New York (N) pick: P Jim Devlin Chicago (N) pick: P Al Spalding Boston (N) pick: SS John Ward Philadelphia (N) pick: P Candy Cummings Round 2 : New York (N) pick: 2B Ross Barnes Chicago (N) pick: CF Charley Jones Boston (N) pick: LF Lip Pike Philadelphia (N) pick: 3B Levi Meyerle Round 3 : New York (N) pick: 1B Cal Mcvey Chicago (N) pick: 1B Cap Anson Boston (N) pick: CF King Kelly Philadelphia (N) pick: LF George Hall Round 4 : New York (N) pick: P Tommy Bond Chicago (N) pick: P Sam Weaver Boston (N) pick: P George Bradley Philadelphia (N) pick: P Cherokee Fisher Round 5 : New York (N) pick: P Terry Larkin Chicago (N) pick: P Jim Mccormick Boston (N) pick: P George Zettlein Philadelphia (N) pick: P Dick Mcbride Round 6 : New York (N) pick: CF Jim O'rourke Chicago (N) pick: SS George Wright Boston (N) pick: RF Abner Dalrymple Philadelphia (N) pick: CF Paul Hines Round 7 : New York (N) pick: 3B Deacon White Chicago (N) pick: CF Orator Shaffer Boston (N) pick: 1B Joe Start Philadelphia (N) pick: 1B Wes Fisler Round 8 : New York (N) pick: CF Dick Higham Chicago (N) pick: 3B Ezra Sutton Boston (N) pick: C John Clapp Philadelphia (N) pick: RF Andy Leonard Round 9 : New York (N) pick: LF Mike Dorgan Chicago (N) pick: 2B Bill Craver Boston (N) pick: 3B Ned Williamson Philadelphia (N) pick: C Doug Allison Round 10 : New York (N) pick: C Scott Hastings Chicago (N) pick: LF George Bechtel Boston (N) pick: SS John Peters Philadelphia (N) pick: 2B Mike Mcgeary Round 11 : New York (N) pick: SS Candy Nelson Chicago (N) pick: C Lew Brown Boston (N) pick: 2B Bill Mcclellan Philadelphia (N) pick: SS Davy Force Round 12 : New York (N) pick: P Bobby Mathews Chicago (N) pick: P Will White Boston (N) pick: P Jim Britt Philadelphia (N) pick: P Tricky Nichols Round 13 : New York (N) pick: P Asa Brainard Chicago (N) pick: RF Tom York Boston (N) pick: 1B John Morrill Philadelphia (N) pick: P Bill Stearns Round 14 : New York (N) pick: 1B Tim Murnane Chicago (N) pick: CF John Hatfield Boston (N) pick: P The only Nolan Philadelphia (N) pick: CF Ned Cuthbert Round 15 : New York (N) pick: CF Fred Treacey Chicago (N) pick: RF Jack Manning Boston (N) pick: 1B Everett Mills Philadelphia (N) pick: 2B Jack Burdock Round 16 : New York (N) pick: 3B Harry Schafer Chicago (N) pick: SS Chick Fulmer Boston (N) pick: RF Bill Crowley Philadelphia (N) pick: SS Tom Carey Round 17 : New York (N) pick: CF Jim Holdsworth Chicago (N) pick: P John Mcmullin Boston (N) pick: RF Jack Remsen Philadelphia (N) pick: C Pop Snyder Round 18 : New York (N) pick: LF Bob Addy Chicago (N) pick: 3B Bob Ferguson Boston (N) pick: RF Dave Eggler Philadelphia (N) pick: C Fergy Malone Round 19 : New York (N) pick: C Silver Flint Chicago (N) pick: 1B Juice Latham Boston (N) pick: CF Bill Harbidge Philadelphia (N) pick: LF Lon Knight Round 20 : New York (N) pick: RF Jim Clinton Chicago (N) pick: 3B Frank Hankinson Boston (N) pick: 3B Bill Hague Philadelphia (N) pick: 3B Joe Battin Round 21 : New York (N) pick: C Nat Hicks Chicago (N) pick: 2B Joe Gerhardt Boston (N) pick: LF John Glenn Philadelphia (N) pick: CF John Cassidy Round 22 : New York (N) pick: 2B Joe Quest Chicago (N) pick: LF Eddie Booth Boston (N) pick: SS Dickey Pearce Philadelphia (N) pick: 1B Denny Mack Round 23 : New York (N) pick: 1B Herman Dehlman

11-19-2002, 07:30 PM	#3
MTGian Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 233	Greetings, Just thought of something else worth mentioning. No financials. MTG

11-19-2002, 08:52 PM	#4
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	Nice. Looking forward to hearing about some of the very early stars, since I didn't start my solo league until 1903.

11-19-2002, 09:07 PM	#5
MTGian Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 233	Nukester, Thanks. Hope it stays interesting. A couple other things. I plan on using 162 game seasons. This is pretty arbitrary, and I did consider 154. However, mide as well use what we are comfortable with. Why not go with the actual length in the seasons played? This isn't meant to be a copy of what happened in real life. Far from it. Franchises will be different. Structure will be different. I wanted something that made stars a little more comparable from era to era. Sticking with the same length seasons accomlishes that. Michael T. Gianvecchio

11-20-2002, 12:00 AM	#6
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,460	Got a suggestion for you concerning those databases. They may gain more interest if you make a post about them in the main OOTP forum... more people wander through there I would think. I certainly would use them, but right now I'm running a league of a different sort, and don't want to try anything else until it's complete. Good luck with your new league. I will be watching for your notes.