Who plays with waivers off?

ragnaar15 · 10-22-2005, 07:53 PM

I'm considering switching to a no waivers rule in my solo leagues. It just seems that the AI isn't smart enough about which players will actually pass, resulting in many good prospects switching teams again and again. It also seems like too many aging veterans are put on waivers once they decline, more often than it really happens in MLB.

I already have restrained myself from claiming prospects waived by other teams to not get an unfair advantage, I figure I might as well just turn the whole option off now.

ricobrown · 10-22-2005, 07:58 PM

Actually in the real MLB alot of players are placed on and clear waivers, and for those who are claimed they are pulled back. So I think that the game does represent how it really is in baseball.

SandMan · 10-22-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ricobrown

Actually in the real MLB alot of players are placed on and clear waivers, and for those who are claimed they are pulled back. So I think that the game does represent how it really is in baseball.

How do you figure that it represents how it really is in baseball? Too many players are claimed and then not pulled back before they are lost.... The AI does a terrible job at this. MLB has many more players placed on waivers and very few actually get claimed and lost to another team, this game does it but way too many exchange teams. Plus In 140 seasons with waivers I have not had a trade past the 7/31 date because the AI always claims the players involved. In real life there are SOME trades that go through after the deadline........

Just my thoughts on this. I keep the waivers on but I am not happy with the way the game handles it.......

rem · 10-22-2005, 08:20 PM

I don't play with waivers on.

jbmagic · 10-22-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

How do you figure that it represents how it really is in baseball? Too many players are claimed and then not pulled back before they are lost.... The AI does a terrible job at this. MLB has many more players placed on waivers and very few actually get claimed and lost to another team, this game does it but way too many exchange teams. Plus In 140 seasons with waivers I have not had a trade past the 7/31 date because the AI always claims the players involved. In real life there are SOME trades that go through after the deadline........

Just my thoughts on this. I keep the waivers on but I am not happy with the way the game handles it.......

i agree.

i tought that was going to be improve with 6.5.

readme says for 6.5

" New player evaluation algorythm, resulting in smarter AI throughout the game"

plannine · 10-22-2005, 09:39 PM

Since I stick with pre-free agent style baseball, I dont use waivers. (or any of 'modern' additions to the game)

Malleus Dei · 10-23-2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by plannine

Since I stick with pre-free agent style baseball, I dont use waivers. (or any of 'modern' additions to the game)

Ditto.

pat · 10-23-2005, 01:37 AM

Personally, I don't like the game with waivers on.

Jestor · 10-23-2005, 01:52 AM

I always shut waivers off.

Jeremy Weimer · 10-23-2005, 02:16 AM

I play with waivers off.

endgame · 10-23-2005, 04:49 AM

I play with waivers on and have had little, if any, difficulties with the system. Unlike SandMan, I have had a trade "allowed" after 7/31 and have had as well trades terminated as a result of a claim after that date.

One of the irritants, for lack of better words, with the system is that there is no effective record or communication of the act of "pulling a player off". The email notification upon a claim of your player or that of successfully claiming and signing another's player is unique to those acts alone. When a team does pull a player off of the wire whom you've claimed, there is NO record and NO communication that it was done (other than the thought, "Well, what the hell happened to my claim on Watkins?") making it a difficult process to measure.

Somewhere, and I hope it wasn't lost in the crash -- memory tells me it was way prior -- there was an excellent reference to transaction records in MLB that allowed us a look at frequency and occurence (I think, by day) on the waiver wire. IIRC, 6.5 didn't compare too unfavorably. I'll see what I can turn up in that regard.

endgame · 10-23-2005, 05:06 AM

Related to my previous post, I think this was the link:

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/tr...=mlb&year=2005

But I can't find the post wherein someone, I think, graciously inspected the year's totals for comparison's sake and made some conclusions.

Cowboys3356 · 10-23-2005, 11:17 AM

Using waivers is an advantage for human players. The CPU is not smart enough to use them correctly. If you want to increase the challenge of OOTP then keep those waivers off!

jbmagic · 10-23-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Using waivers is an advantage for human players. The CPU is not smart enough to use them correctly. If you want to increase the challenge of OOTP then keep those waivers off!

i tought ootp 6.5 was going to fix that.

" New player evaluation algorythm, resulting in smarter AI throughout the game"

10-22-2005, 07:53 PM	#1
ragnaar15 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 77	Who plays with waivers off? I'm considering switching to a no waivers rule in my solo leagues. It just seems that the AI isn't smart enough about which players will actually pass, resulting in many good prospects switching teams again and again. It also seems like too many aging veterans are put on waivers once they decline, more often than it really happens in MLB. I already have restrained myself from claiming prospects waived by other teams to not get an unfair advantage, I figure I might as well just turn the whole option off now.

10-22-2005, 08:20 PM	#4
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I don't play with waivers on. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

10-23-2005, 01:37 AM	#8
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	Personally, I don't like the game with waivers on. __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

10-23-2005, 04:49 AM	#11
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	I play with waivers on and have had little, if any, difficulties with the system. Unlike SandMan, I have had a trade "allowed" after 7/31 and have had as well trades terminated as a result of a claim after that date. One of the irritants, for lack of better words, with the system is that there is no effective record or communication of the act of "pulling a player off". The email notification upon a claim of your player or that of successfully claiming and signing another's player is unique to those acts alone. When a team does pull a player off of the wire whom you've claimed, there is NO record and NO communication that it was done (other than the thought, "Well, what the hell happened to my claim on Watkins?") making it a difficult process to measure. Somewhere, and I hope it wasn't lost in the crash -- memory tells me it was way prior -- there was an excellent reference to transaction records in MLB that allowed us a look at frequency and occurence (I think, by day) on the waiver wire. IIRC, 6.5 didn't compare too unfavorably. I'll see what I can turn up in that regard. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________ Last edited by endgame; 10-23-2005 at 04:50 AM.

10-23-2005, 05:06 AM	#12
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Related to my previous post, I think this was the link: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/tr...=mlb&year=2005 But I can't find the post wherein someone, I think, graciously inspected the year's totals for comparison's sake and made some conclusions. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

10-22-2005, 07:58 PM	#2
ricobrown Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 131	Actually in the real MLB alot of players are placed on and clear waivers, and for those who are claimed they are pulled back. So I think that the game does represent how it really is in baseball.

10-22-2005, 09:39 PM	#6
plannine All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 572	Since I stick with pre-free agent style baseball, I dont use waivers. (or any of 'modern' additions to the game)

10-23-2005, 02:16 AM	#10
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	I play with waivers off.

10-23-2005, 11:17 AM	#13
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	Using waivers is an advantage for human players. The CPU is not smart enough to use them correctly. If you want to increase the challenge of OOTP then keep those waivers off!