The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell: Hall of Fame Thread

[William4192]

Frank Baker more votes than Cobb... Sort of makes ya laugh!

[dkpiatt]

Originally Posted by Big Six

The balloting for the Hall of Fame class of 1929 has been completed, and the Hall is pleased to announce the induction of four new members!
Eight voters took part in the election, so six votes were required for induction.

I have a suggestion, and it may end up failing if it is tried and if people have reservations then Big Six does not do it. But to add some more realism and get a better view of how votes are spread, I think that instead of using a deadline for HOF voting maybe wait until 15 or so people fill a ballot. I did not vote this last time and wish that I had now, but 8 voters for the HOF could skew the votes too much. As I write this I am confusing myself, but the problem is with us and not voting, I think that needs to be remedied. Any other thoughts?

[StorminZ]

Originally Posted by William4192

Frank Baker more votes than Cobb... Sort of makes ya laugh!

You wouldn't be suggesting vote fixin', would ya???

I thought the same thing, btw.

[William4192]

Well, I know I voted for Baker and not Cobb. that probably explains the problem. I knew Cobb would get in and Baker "needed" my vote worse, turns out I was wrong

[Big Six]

I can totally imagine a writer who didn't get along with Cobb leaving him off a Hall of Fame ballot for that reason. It happened to Ted Williams in MVP balloting, after all.

Thanks for the suggestion, dkpiatt. I agree that eight ballots makes for a less-than-satisfying election. That's the lowest total I've had, but there aren't usually more than ten or so.

I wouldn't have a problem with leaving the balloting open until 15 ballots are cast, as long as it didn't hold me up from continuing to play and simulate games in Pat's universe. I would hate for the urge to play some OOTP to converge with some uninterrupted time to do so, only to end up with me having to wait for someone to cast Hall of Fame ballot #15 so I can move the story along.

I'm getting the Class of 1930 ready to post, and hopefully it will be ready later this evening.

[Big Six]

Among the eleven players who will be making their first appearances on the Hall of Fame ballot are several of the greatest players in the history of the game. The newly eligible players will, as usual, have their names listed in red.

Any player who does not receive at least 5% support in this election will be dropped from the ballot.

I'm trying to maximize the number of ballots cast in the election without causing the story of The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell to bog down. As a result, I'm not announcing a deadline for this year's election. I would like to have the election open no longer than a week or thereabouts, so if you're interested in participating, please cast your ballots as soon as you can.

The rules are listed on the first post in this thread.

Thanks in advance for your participation!

Here are the profiles for this year's eligible players:

PITCHERS:

GROVER ALEXANDER: 1915-1927
289-183, 3.15. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins, including seven in a row from 1920-26. MOP in 1921 (26-11, 2.97). Eight All-Star selections. Threw a no-hitter in 1916, and won a ring the same season with Detroit. Won strikeout crown 8 times, and finished career with 2996 Ks (4th among retired pitchers). His 1.63 ERA in 1915 is the best single-season mark of all time.

ROY CASTLETON: 1907-1924
247-200, 3.48. Castleton toiled for Yankees and Dodgers teams that were usually mediocre, but ran off a string of nine consecutive seasons with at least 18 victories, including five 20-win campaigns. American League MOP, 1917 (23-12, 2.98). Five All-Star selections.

JACK CHESBRO: 1899-1912
240-158, 2.84. Five 20-win seasons, three after simulation began.

JACK COOMBS: 1906-1921
236-163, 3.21. Won 20 or more games five times; Fractured Skull and Ruptured Disc Back cost him that milestone in 2 other seasons. Eight All-Star appearances. MOP, 1911 (26-12, 2.99).

LEFTY LEIFIELD: 1905-1919
227-172, 2,95. Four-time 20-game winner, with a then-NL record 29 wins in 1911. Four-time All-Star. Won two WS rings with Pirates.

RUBE MARQUARD: 1908-1927
306-171, 3.26. Three-time MOP (1917, 1919, 1922) who set a National League record with 30 victories in 1922. Made 12 All-Star teams. Won at least 20 games nine times, and had 3 19-win seasons. Won four ERA titles. Ace of World Series-winning Giants teams in 1917 , 1921, and 1922.

HARRY MORAN: 1913-1927
292-165, 3.40. Retired after 31-5 season with Detroit that established a new single-season record for victories and earned him an MOP. Won at least 20 games seven more times. Made six All-Star teams. 2622-1122 K/BB ratio. Starred with outstanding Detroit teams of the 1910s.

GEORGE MULLIN: 1902-1921
277-237, 3.18. Won at least 20 games five times as ace of outstanding Detroit teams of the teens. One World Series ring.

BILL OTEY: 1907-1924
198-143, 3.55. "Steamboat Bill" holds the National League record for strikeouts in a season (362, 1915). He whiffed at least 300 batters in three consecutive seasons, 1913-1915, and barely missed making it five straight--he rang up 298 Ks in 1912 and 299 in 1916. Ninth all-time in strikeouts, with 2,421. NL MOP, 1918 (25-14, 3.28). Won a WS ring with the '07 Pirates. Six All-Star appearances. Three 20-win seasons, but he also won 19 games four times; his Pirates teams were usually not big winners.

JACK POWELL: 1897-1911
261-230, 3.18. Pitched for subpar Browns teams most of his career. Won 20 or more games six times, three in the simulation.

TEX PRUIETT: 1907-1919
204-139, 3.02. Five times a 20-game winner for the Red Sox dynasty of the 'teens. Clutch performer on six pennant winners and five World Series champion teams. Five All-Star appearances. ERA champion in 1908 (2.02).

CHUCK ROSE: 1911-1927
295-212, 3.37. Rookie of the Year in 1911 who won two World Series with Red Sox in 1914 and 1915. A six-time All-Star with Red Sox and Senators. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins. 2062 strikeouts with only 957 walks.

BERT SINCOCK: 1908-1927
45-37, 3.30, 106 saves. The first great relief pitcher in major league history, Sincock holds the all-time saves record. A seven-time All-Star who led the league in saves seven times. Holds the National League record for saves in a season with 15. Spent his entire career with the Reds, as part of the great staff that led them to pennants and World Series triumphs in the 1910s.

JEFF TESREAU: 1912-1927
240-161, 3.77. Won 20 or more games in eight consecutive seasons, 1914-1921. A seven-time All-Star who also enjoyed success as a reliever late in his career, saving 13 games. Won three World Series with the Giants.

IRV YOUNG: 1905-1918
230-201, 3.15. Won 20 or more games five times as ace of lousy Braves teams. MOP, 1909 (25-10, 2.57). Four All-Star appearances.

POSITION PLAYERS:

DONIE BUSH: 1908-1924
.301-45-953. 2161 runs, 1215 runs scored, 1124 walks. Six-time All-Star on strong Tigers teams. Three Slick Fielder awards at short.

VIN CAMPBELL: 1908-1925
.324-45-968. 2106 hits, 943 runs scored. .794 career OPS. Star 2B with Cubs and Phillies, a 4-time All-Star.

BILL CARRIGAN: 1908-1922
.276-11-545. 1070 hits. Three-time All-Star. Leads all catchers with five Slick Fielder awards. Key member of Red Sox teams that won eight pennants and seven World Series.

EDDIE COLLINS: 1906-1927
.305-24-837. 1946 hits. 975 runs scored, 343 steals. Made seven All-Star teams as a shortstop for Philadelphia teams in the 1910s. Won three Slick Fielder awards.

BILL CUNNINGHAM: 1910-1926
.302-140-1133. 2322 hits, 1288 runs scored, 1077 walks, 446 steals. Lifetime OBP of .387. In top ten all time in HR. Six All-Star selections with the Senators; often considered the second best at his position in the AL. Won a Slick Fielder Award.

LARRY DOYLE: 1907-1926
.300-89-1052. 2429 hits, 1217 runs scored. Five times an All-Star with the White Sox. Won a Series ring with the '08 Giants. Three Slick Fielder awards at 2B.

TED EASTERLY: 1909-1922
.321-9-643. Lifetime average is best among catchers. 1411 hits. Four All-Star selections. Won 3 World Series with Giants of late 10s/early 20s.

RUBE ELLIS: 1909-1924
.314-24-820. 2037 hits, 1054 runs scored, 530 stolen bases. NL MOB, 1917 (.338-5-79; led league in BA, SLG). Four All-Star selections and two Slick Fielder Awards in the outfield. Spent entire career with Cardinals; won two pennants and 1923 WS with them.

DEL GAINER: 1909-1925
.314-46-1016. 1998 hits. Hard-hitting first baseman; made seven All-Star teams as key member of powerful Tigers teams. Placed in the top 10 in RBI for eight consecutive seasons in the 1910s.

MIKE GONZALEZ: 1914-1927
.309-11-580. 1740 hits, fourth among retired catchers. Four-time All-Star who hit over .350 each season from 1920-1922. Won Slick Fielder award twice; known for powerful throwing arm.

CHARLIE “HOME RUN” JOHNSON: 1908-1923
.311-53-915. 2072 hits. A broken knee ended his career prematurely; he had hit over .320 for four consecutive seasons. Six All-Star appearances, and a Slick Fielder award in CF.

TOMMY LEACH: 1898-1916
.295-63-1160. 2684 hits, 1428 runs scored. Six All-Star appearances. Won WS rings with Pirates in 1905 and 1907.

DUFFY LEWIS: 1910-1926
.301-71-862. 2000 hits, 1003 runs scored, 437 steals. Two Slick Fielder awards and an All-Star selection during career spent mostly with the Browns and Cardinals. Starred on three Cardinals World Championship teams.

FRED LUDERUS: 1909-1925
.329-59-926. 2062 hits. Batting average is 11th best all-time. Five All-Star selections. AL MOB, 1919 (.379-3-102, 2nd with .911 OPS)

WALLY MATTICK: 1912-1926
.293-139-917. 1817 hits, 964 runs scored. Hit over 20 homers in 3 consecutive years, 22-23-24. Four All-Star selections and a Slick Fielder award.

RED McKEE: 1913-1927
.310-138-1157. 1847 hits, third among retired catchers. 1173 runs scored, 1108 walks. Eight-time All-Star; spent entire career with strong Detroit teams. Won two Slick Fielder awards and hit double figures in homers 7 times in the 1920s, including over 20 twice. Career OBP of .414.

TOMMY McMILLAN: 1908-1924
.294-20-743. 2344 hits, 1306 runs scored, 647 steals. Excellent glove man--won 5 NL Slick Fielder awards at short during his career with the Dodgers and Reds. 3 All-Star appearances. Starred on 1915 Reds NL championship team.

CLYDE MILAN: 1907-1923
.282-62-942. 2161 hits, 1197 runs scored, 540 steals. Three All-Star appearances. Two Slick Fielder awards in CF.

MIKE MITCHELL: 1907-1919
.308-27-821. 2029 hits, 982 runs scored, 458 steals. Key member of six NL pennant winning Reds teams; won two WS rings. Four All-Star selections. Two Slick Fielder awards in RF.

SIMON NICHOLLS: 1903, 1906-1923
.296-118-1127. 2674 hits. 1270 runs scored. Finished in top ten in homers seven times. Four-time All-Star. One Slick Fielder award at SS.

SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
.320-39-744. 2261 hits; 1220 runs scored; 952 stolen bases. Won four World Series rings with Giants and made four All-Star teams. Led National League in stolen bases four times; holds major league record for steals in a single season with 110 (1918). Won three American League steals crowns after trade to Browns.

CLAUDE RITCHEY: 1897-1913
.295-31-1061. 2436 hits, 1127 runs scored. Three-time All-Star, with one Slick Fielder award at 2B.

FRANK SCHULTE: 1904-1918
.292-94-1010. 2036 hits. Five-time All-Star. Five Slick Fielder awards.

SYD SMITH: 1908-1923
.301-45-707. 1541 hits. Four-time All-Star catcher.

TRIS SPEAKER: 1907-1927
.312-91-1538. 3088 hits; 639 doubles; 245 triples; 1617 runs scored; 638 steals. Ranks in top ten in most offensive categories. Won two MOB awards (1914, 1915). Nine times an All-Star. Greatest defensive outfielder of all time; won 14 Slick Fielder awards, now the most in history. His 38-game hitting streak in 1911 and 1912 is the longest of all time. Won batting titles in 1912 (.372) and 1915 (.375), and hit .384 in 1914. Won nine World Series with the Red Sox.

HEINIE ZIMMERMANN: 1907-1925
.323-13-826. 1913 hits. Became a regular player late in his career, but then ran off a string of five seasons in which he never hit less than .310. Hit better than .330 ten times. Two-time All-Star.

[William4192]

PITCHERS:

GROVER ALEXANDER: 1915-1927
289-183, 3.15. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins, including seven in a row from 1920-26. MOP in 1921 (26-11, 2.97). Eight All-Star selections. Threw a no-hitter in 1916, and won a ring the same season with Detroit. Won strikeout crown 8 times, and finished career with 2996 Ks (4th among retired pitchers). His 1.63 ERA in 1915 is the best single-season mark of all time.

JACK CHESBRO: 1899-1912
240-158, 2.84. Five 20-win seasons, three after simulation began.


HARRY MORAN: 1913-1927
292-165, 3.40. Retired after 31-5 season with Detroit that established a new single-season record for victories and earned him an MOP. Won at least 20 games seven more times. Made six All-Star teams. 2622-1122 K/BB ratio. Starred with outstanding Detroit teams of the 1910s.



JACK POWELL: 1897-1911
261-230, 3.18. Pitched for subpar Browns teams most of his career. Won 20 or more games six times, three in the simulation.

CHUCK ROSE: 1911-1927
295-212, 3.37. Rookie of the Year in 1911 who won two World Series with Red Sox in 1914 and 1915. A six-time All-Star with Red Sox and Senators. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins. 2062 strikeouts with only 957 walks.



POSITION PLAYERS:



BILL CUNNINGHAM: 1910-1926
.302-140-1133. 2322 hits, 1288 runs scored, 1077 walks, 446 steals. Lifetime OBP of .387. In top ten all time in HR. Six All-Star selections with the Senators; often considered the second best at his position in the AL. Won a Slick Fielder Award.

LARRY DOYLE: 1907-1926
.300-89-1052. 2429 hits, 1217 runs scored. Five times an All-Star with the White Sox. Won a Series ring with the '08 Giants. Three Slick Fielder awards at 2B.


TOMMY LEACH: 1898-1916
.295-63-1160. 2684 hits, 1428 runs scored. Six All-Star appearances. Won WS rings with Pirates in 1905 and 1907.


TOMMY McMILLAN: 1908-1924
.294-20-743. 2344 hits, 1306 runs scored, 647 steals. Excellent glove man--won 5 NL Slick Fielder awards at short during his career with the Dodgers and Reds. 3 All-Star appearances. Starred on 1915 Reds NL championship team.



SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
.320-39-744. 2261 hits; 1220 runs scored; 952 stolen bases. Won four World Series rings with Giants and made four All-Star teams. Led National League in stolen bases four times; holds major league record for steals in a single season with 110 (1918). Won three American League steals crowns after trade to Browns.

[liamdaly]

PITCHERS:

GROVER ALEXANDER: 1915-1927
289-183, 3.15. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins, including seven in a row from 1920-26. MOP in 1921 (26-11, 2.97). Eight All-Star selections. Threw a no-hitter in 1916, and won a ring the same season with Detroit. Won strikeout crown 8 times, and finished career with 2996 Ks (4th among retired pitchers). His 1.63 ERA in 1915 is the best single-season mark of all time.

RUBE MARQUARD: 1908-1927
306-171, 3.26. Three-time MOP (1917, 1919, 1922) who set a National League record with 30 victories in 1922. Made 12 All-Star teams. Won at least 20 games nine times, and had 3 19-win seasons. Won four ERA titles. Ace of World Series-winning Giants teams in 1917 , 1921, and 1922.

HARRY MORAN: 1913-1927
292-165, 3.40. Retired after 31-5 season with Detroit that established a new single-season record for victories and earned him an MOP. Won at least 20 games seven more times. Made six All-Star teams. 2622-1122 K/BB ratio. Starred with outstanding Detroit teams of the 1910s.

GEORGE MULLIN: 1902-1921
277-237, 3.18. Won at least 20 games five times as ace of outstanding Detroit teams of the teens. One World Series ring.

CHUCK ROSE: 1911-1927
295-212, 3.37. Rookie of the Year in 1911 who won two World Series with Red Sox in 1914 and 1915. A six-time All-Star with Red Sox and Senators. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins. 2062 strikeouts with only 957 walks.


POSITION PLAYERS:


BILL CUNNINGHAM: 1910-1926
.302-140-1133. 2322 hits, 1288 runs scored, 1077 walks, 446 steals. Lifetime OBP of .387. In top ten all time in HR. Six All-Star selections with the Senators; often considered the second best at his position in the AL. Won a Slick Fielder Award.


TOMMY LEACH: 1898-1916
.295-63-1160. 2684 hits, 1428 runs scored. Six All-Star appearances. Won WS rings with Pirates in 1905 and 1907.


SIMON NICHOLLS: 1903, 1906-1923
.296-118-1127. 2674 hits. 1270 runs scored. Finished in top ten in homers seven times. Four-time All-Star. One Slick Fielder award at SS.

SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
.320-39-744. 2261 hits; 1220 runs scored; 952 stolen bases. Won four World Series rings with Giants and made four All-Star teams. Led National League in stolen bases four times; holds major league record for steals in a single season with 110 (1918). Won three American League steals crowns after trade to Browns.

TRIS SPEAKER: 1907-1927
.312-91-1538. 3088 hits; 639 doubles; 245 triples; 1617 runs scored; 638 steals. Ranks in top ten in most offensive categories. Won two MOB awards (1914, 1915). Nine times an All-Star. Greatest defensive outfielder of all time; won 14 Slick Fielder awards, now the most in history. His 38-game hitting streak in 1911 and 1912 is the longest of all time. Won batting titles in 1912 (.372) and 1915 (.375), and hit .384 in 1914. Won nine World Series with the Red Sox.

[thebigUNIT]

GROVER ALEXANDER: 1915-1927
289-183, 3.15. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins, including seven in a row from 1920-26. MOP in 1921 (26-11, 2.97). Eight All-Star selections. Threw a no-hitter in 1916, and won a ring the same season with Detroit. Won strikeout crown 8 times, and finished career with 2996 Ks (4th among retired pitchers). His 1.63 ERA in 1915 is the best single-season mark of all time.

JACK COOMBS: 1906-1921
236-163, 3.21. Won 20 or more games five times; Fractured Skull and Ruptured Disc Back cost him that milestone in 2 other seasons. Eight All-Star appearances. MOP, 1911 (26-12, 2.99).

RUBE MARQUARD: 1908-1927
306-171, 3.26. Three-time MOP (1917, 1919, 1922) who set a National League record with 30 victories in 1922. Made 12 All-Star teams. Won at least 20 games nine times, and had 3 19-win seasons. Won four ERA titles. Ace of World Series-winning Giants teams in 1917 , 1921, and 1922.

EDDIE COLLINS: 1906-1927
.305-24-837. 1946 hits. 975 runs scored, 343 steals. Made seven All-Star teams as a shortstop for Philadelphia teams in the 1910s. Won three Slick Fielder awards.

LARRY DOYLE: 1907-1926
.300-89-1052. 2429 hits, 1217 runs scored. Five times an All-Star with the White Sox. Won a Series ring with the '08 Giants. Three Slick Fielder awards at 2B.

SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
.320-39-744. 2261 hits; 1220 runs scored; 952 stolen bases. Won four World Series rings with Giants and made four All-Star teams. Led National League in stolen bases four times; holds major league record for steals in a single season with 110 (1918). Won three American League steals crowns after trade to Browns.

TRIS SPEAKER: 1907-1927
.312-91-1538. 3088 hits; 639 doubles; 245 triples; 1617 runs scored; 638 steals. Ranks in top ten in most offensive categories. Won two MOB awards (1914, 1915). Nine times an All-Star. Greatest defensive outfielder of all time; won 14 Slick Fielder awards, now the most in history. His 38-game hitting streak in 1911 and 1912 is the longest of all time. Won batting titles in 1912 (.372) and 1915 (.375), and hit .384 in 1914. Won nine World Series with the Red Sox.

HEINIE ZIMMERMANN: 1907-1925
.323-13-826. 1913 hits. Became a regular player late in his career, but then ran off a string of five seasons in which he never hit less than .310. Hit better than .330 ten times. Two-time All-Star.

[Big Six]

Here's a shameless bump for this thread, so if you'd be interested in becoming a Hall of Fame voter, you can join in the fun. Right now, only six ballots have been cast.

[jeheinz72]

I pick Marquard, Alexander, Collins, Speaker, Cunningham, Piez and McMillan

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I pick Marquard, Alexander, Collins, Speaker, Cunningham, Piez and McMillan

Thanks for the ballot, jeheinz...and you too, UNIT.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Big Six

Thanks for the ballot, jeheinz...and you too, UNIT.

No problem man. I've honestly been in-and-out of your dynasty (to my loss for sure) so it was the best I could do.

[ifspuds]

Alexander, Marquard, Moran, Collins, Cunningham, Leach, McKee, Speaker, Piez.

[William4192]

Where is my love? (just kidding)


*this is actually a shameless bump!

[Big Six]

Mad props to you, William. You're one of the few who have voted in EVERY HoF election...one of the true go-to guys. Thanks, man.

[William4192]

Here to serve (and give bumps when I can..um...like this one!)...

[rangerforlife]

Sorry I haven't voted before...

Rube Marquard
Tris Speaker
Grover Alexander
Bill Cunningham
Chuck Rose

I'm only picking five b/c i'm a small-HoF guy. Five new members per year, max. But that's just me.

[rangerforlife]

Originally Posted by Big Six

I can totally imagine a writer who didn't get along with Cobb leaving him off a Hall of Fame ballot for that reason. It happened to Ted Williams in MVP balloting, after all.

After I saw this, I had to check what actually happened. How's this for irony...

Of the inaugural class of 1936, Cobb had the most votes (222, or 98% of the vote). So, technically, Cobb was baseball's first Hall-of-Famer. The four others, of course, were Ruth (215), Wagner (215), Mathewson (205), and W. Johnson (189).

[William4192]

And how do you not vote for any of those 5 and look yourself in the mirror? I'd love to have the names of the guys who did not vote for any one of those 5.