Learning Positions in the Majors Enabled for 6.5?

Qwerty75 · 06-21-2005, 06:55 PM

I remember there being some mention on the 6.5 feature wish list that players could now receive ratings at new positions by playing there in the majors greater than rock-bottom, as was the case previously. Does anyone know if this is indeed the case?

douga · 06-21-2005, 08:33 PM

hehe

I believe that's the SPRING TRAINING screen.
I just happened to look at that in depth a few minutes ago when I ran a simmed season.

When I original saw it a couple of days ago I was a bit perplexed as to what it was, what to do with it, etc... And I was just coming online now to search for info.

At first glance, I thought what you do is deduct points from attributes and it takes 5 of them to let the player learn a new position. So, I am still not sure about that part. Once thing I did not expect was that during Spring Training, when I ran the report of how everyone was doing, I found one player had improved in a rating.

Davey Eckstein · 06-21-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by douga

hehe

I believe that's the SPRING TRAINING screen.
I just happened to look at that in depth a few minutes ago when I ran a simmed season.

When I original saw it a couple of days ago I was a bit perplexed as to what it was, what to do with it, etc... And I was just coming online now to search for info.

At first glance, I thought what you do is deduct points from attributes and it takes 5 of them to let the player learn a new position. So, I am still not sure about that part. Once thing I did not expect was that during Spring Training, when I ran the report of how everyone was doing, I found one player had improved in a rating.

No. That way sucks to put it bluntly. ST does in general, to put it bluntly.

I was wondering if it was enabled as well. I always teach my minors players during the season, it'd be nice to doo it in the bigs too.

octones · 06-21-2005, 08:50 PM

I taught this guy to play 3B and he got a range of 5 with a .940 FP. Not bad for an outfielder

Ramzavail · 06-21-2005, 10:36 PM

so it is possible to have a guy learn a new position in the majors?

i have this defensive wiz in RF, that id like to play in CF...if I play him consistently in CF, he will learn it?

jazzrack · 06-21-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

so it is possible to have a guy learn a new position in the majors?

i have this defensive wiz in RF, that id like to play in CF...if I play him consistently in CF, he will learn it?

it has always been possible, but the player would have some really low fielding % so it wasn't worth it. this may or may not be "fixed" in 6.5... i really havn't a clue

Jason · 06-21-2005, 11:24 PM

You can teach guys positions in the majors but it's a crap shoot how long it will take and usually the fielding percentages will be really low. Until they learn it, you risk a lot of defensive errors.

Still, if their offense outweighs the defense, go for it.

Qwerty75 · 06-22-2005, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

You can teach guys positions in the majors but it's a crap shoot how long it will take and usually the fielding percentages will be really low. Until they learn it, you risk a lot of defensive errors.

Still, if their offense outweighs the defense, go for it.

It was my understanding that trying to teach a player a position in the majors would *always* result in a range rating barely above zero when the player is eventually assigned one, not even taking Fld.% into account. I believe Skydog mentioned that Markus said that that had been fixed.

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I taught this guy to play 3B and he got a range of 5 with a .940 FP. Not bad for an outfielder

Murton was taught 3B in the majors?

jarmenia · 06-22-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwerty75

It was my understanding that trying to teach a player a position in the majors would *always* result in a range rating barely above zero when the player is eventually assigned one, not even taking Fld.% into account. I believe Skydog mentioned that Markus said that that had been fixed.

Murton was taught 3B in the majors?

This was fixed in 6.5

John

CobaltJays · 06-22-2005, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwerty75

It was my understanding that trying to teach a player a position in the majors would *always* result in a range rating barely above zero when the player is eventually assigned one, not even taking Fld.% into account. I believe Skydog mentioned that Markus said that that had been fixed.

Immediately after I purchased 6.5 I ran one of my tests where I played everyone out of position for a season. I wound up with range ratings that were similar to what a player would receive if he were being converted in the minors. This bug has been fixed to my satisfaction.

andjbock · 06-22-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CobaltJays

Immediately after I purchased 6.5 I ran one of my tests where I played everyone out of position for a season. I wound up with range ratings that were similar to what a player would receive if he were being converted in the minors. This bug has been fixed to my satisfaction.

Sounds good to me.

octones · 06-22-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwerty75

Murton was taught 3B in the majors?

Yep. Took roughly 2 months in game I guess to teach him, playing every day. Tried him at a few positions and 3B he seemed to do well (roughly .930 FP while teaching) so I kept him there. Only guy I've ever had turn out so well after learning a new position in the majors.

thbroman · 06-22-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CobaltJays

Immediately after I purchased 6.5 I ran one of my tests where I played everyone out of position for a season. I wound up with range ratings that were similar to what a player would receive if he were being converted in the minors. This bug has been fixed to my satisfaction.

But this doesn't answer the old problem about how the "learn new position" routine treats players learning to play similar positions. Is it true that the game still treats teaching a RF to play CF identically with teaching him to play 3B?

Markus Heinsohn · 06-22-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thbroman

But this doesn't answer the old problem about how the "learn new position" routine treats players learning to play similar positions. Is it true that the game still treats teaching a RF to play CF identically with teaching him to play 3B?

That has been fixed as well...

thbroman · 06-22-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That has been fixed as well...

AHA! Thanks, Markus!

andjbock · 06-22-2005, 12:36 PM

This is a dream come true for all of us with crappy power hitting Shortstops. 1B city here you come.

thbroman · 06-22-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by andjbock

This is a dream come true for all of us with crappy power hitting Shortstops. 1B city here you come.

Got anyone in mind there, Andrew, from your NABA team?

Anyway, it worked for Ernie Banks!

andjbock · 06-22-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thbroman

Got anyone in mind there, Andrew, from your NABA team?

Anyway, it worked for Ernie Banks!

Nope, I think most everyone who is a poor SS on my team can play 1B better.

[actually none of my bad SS know 1B]

Qwerty75 · 06-22-2005, 03:49 PM

Thanks for all the responses, guys, and thanks to Markus for the fix.

voxpoptart · 06-22-2005, 06:48 PM

I just wanted to join the enthusiastic thanks - especially for the position-learning fix, which i didn't know about til this thread. Most of us know that Markus does a tremendous amount of listening and fixing for us, but i imagine he's always glad to hear that we know it. Thanks, Markus!

06-21-2005, 06:55 PM	#1
Qwerty75 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 817	Learning Positions in the Majors Enabled for 6.5? I remember there being some mention on the 6.5 feature wish list that players could now receive ratings at new positions by playing there in the majors greater than rock-bottom, as was the case previously. Does anyone know if this is indeed the case? __________________

06-21-2005, 08:50 PM	#4
octones Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 226	I taught this guy to play 3B and he got a range of 5 with a .940 FP. Not bad for an outfielder __________________

06-22-2005, 03:49 PM	#19
Qwerty75 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 817	Thanks for all the responses, guys, and thanks to Markus for the fix. __________________

06-21-2005, 08:33 PM	#2
douga Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 82	hehe I believe that's the SPRING TRAINING screen. I just happened to look at that in depth a few minutes ago when I ran a simmed season. When I original saw it a couple of days ago I was a bit perplexed as to what it was, what to do with it, etc... And I was just coming online now to search for info. At first glance, I thought what you do is deduct points from attributes and it takes 5 of them to let the player learn a new position. So, I am still not sure about that part. Once thing I did not expect was that during Spring Training, when I ran the report of how everyone was doing, I found one player had improved in a rating.

06-21-2005, 10:36 PM	#5
Ramzavail All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NY Posts: 613	so it is possible to have a guy learn a new position in the majors? i have this defensive wiz in RF, that id like to play in CF...if I play him consistently in CF, he will learn it?

06-21-2005, 11:24 PM	#7
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,847	You can teach guys positions in the majors but it's a crap shoot how long it will take and usually the fielding percentages will be really low. Until they learn it, you risk a lot of defensive errors. Still, if their offense outweighs the defense, go for it.

06-22-2005, 12:36 PM	#16
andjbock Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somerville, MA, USA Bats: Right Throws: Left Posts: 3,637	This is a dream come true for all of us with crappy power hitting Shortstops. 1B city here you come.

06-22-2005, 06:48 PM	#20
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	I just wanted to join the enthusiastic thanks - especially for the position-learning fix, which i didn't know about til this thread. Most of us know that Markus does a tremendous amount of listening and fixing for us, but i imagine he's always glad to hear that we know it. Thanks, Markus!