Aging in 6.5

Cobra2002 · 06-21-2005, 03:04 PM

Has anyone noticed players aging a lot faster in 6.5? I have had three 4+ star players around the ages of 33-35, who had multiple $10 million plus years remaining, turn into 1-star duds. This turned my team from a postseason staple to a high draft lottery. I was able to unload one of them through waivers, but the other two are basically taking up roster space. All three of the players (Catcher, Second Base, and a Starting Pitcher) were all-stars last season.

I was looking around the league and a lot of players were also fizziling out around the age of 34-35 while before 6.5, they would go up to 38-39 before seeing a stats decline.

jaxmagicman · 06-21-2005, 03:05 PM

No, my players are still aging a year at a time. My 35 year old turned 36 the next year on his birthday.

Cobra2002 · 06-21-2005, 03:06 PM

Aging as in their ratings and stats declining....

Johnny99 · 06-21-2005, 03:34 PM

He's being cute

Cobra2002 · 06-21-2005, 03:40 PM

I am aware

Scott Vibert · 06-21-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra2002

I was looking around the league and a lot of players were also fizziling out around the age of 34-35 while before 6.5, they would go up to 38-39 before seeing a stats decline.

I personally haven't noticed any difference. (I had a bunch of 34-35 year olds fizzling out on me with 6.12).

I can say that fair amount of work went into the age questions of the league while 6.5 was in beta... with one of the problems in the earlier version being that everyday players in the league, on average, were too old.

AsTrOFaN · 06-21-2005, 03:56 PM

I have noticed fluctuations in star ratings for players, so this could be playing a role here. I've seen a 2.5 * SP switch between 2.5 and 1 * over the course of a season with no change in ratings. I haven't seen any super-aging effects though.

sfgiants88 · 06-21-2005, 05:44 PM

You might try SkyDog's *preliminary* recommended settings for aging.

Hitter Developement: 30
Hitter Aging: -25
Pitcher Developement: 30
Pitcher Aging: -25

jbmagic · 06-21-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sfgiants88

You might try SkyDog's recommended settings for aging.

Hitter Developement: 30
Hitter Aging: -25
Pitcher Developement: 30
Pitcher Aging: -25

there not offcial yet. he is still testing 6.5

nevets2300 · 06-21-2005, 07:22 PM

I've notice, in my solo league, sosa,palmairo(bad spelling) and other players who started the season at 3 or more stars are flopping down to one star players, and Bonds is rapily dropping, he has more walks then strikeout and may be sent to the minor by august....Bonds made it back in july.

pat · 06-21-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AsTrOFaN

I have noticed fluctuations in star ratings for players, so this could be playing a role here. I've seen a 2.5 * SP switch between 2.5 and 1 * over the course of a season with no change in ratings. I haven't seen any super-aging effects though.

Well, you could turn-off the star ratings. Don't look into stars so much, stats are better.

jbmagic · 06-21-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pat

Well, you could turn-off the star ratings. Don't look into stars so much, stats are better.

i liek stars because it helps you sort the players in the draft and free agents.

then looking at stats and ratings is easier when you decide to get a player

rdklein · 06-21-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pat

Well, you could turn-off the star ratings. Don't look into stars so much, stats are better.

... Or you could turn off all the ratings info, (except for the "other ratings" which includes speed - only because it can be measured).

That's the best way to play IMO.

OmahaBaseball · 06-21-2005, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

No, my players are still aging a year at a time. My 35 year old turned 36 the next year on his birthday.

Classic

Malleus Dei · 06-21-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rdklein

... Or you could turn off all the ratings info, (except for the "other ratings" which includes speed - only because it can be measured).

That's the best way to play IMO.

Heck, yes. IMO this is the best way to play, as you are forced to do performance scouting.

Chappy · 06-21-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nevets2300

I've notice, in my solo league, sosa,palmairo(bad spelling) and other players who started the season at 3 or more stars are flopping down to one star players, and Bonds is rapily dropping, he has more walks then strikeout and may be sent to the minor by august....Bonds made it back in july.

Must be cuz all thoze guys r like 50 yrs old!!!

tdneu · 06-21-2005, 11:19 PM

I noticed in 6.5 with the defaults that quite a few of the star players started declining noticeably in their early thirties, and retired (at least the first time) at 34 or 35. I also noticed a lot of guys not reaching the Show until 24 or 25, meaning I was having trouble getting realistic career stat arcs because guys just weren't around long enough to put up the numbers.

I restarted my league, and set Batter and Pitcher Development Speed to +30% so guys reach the Bigs a little sooner. I also decreased Batter Aging to -15% and Pitcher Aging to -30%. The difference being that pitchers tend to age more gracefully than hitters. There are a lot of 40 year old pitchers, but only a handful of 40 year old position players in MLB.

Now I'm starting to see some decent potential career numbers. Star rookies are coming in at 21 or 22 and older guys are retiring at 37 or 38, with the occasional pitcher lasting until 40 or 41. That seems much more realistic to me.

Johnny Slick · 06-22-2005, 03:27 AM

So far I've seen a lot more players get into the bigs on their own when they're 20 to 23 than in the last version, which is great IMO. You even see less-than-stellar players do that, get to the peak before they're 25, and then wash out of the bigs by their 32nd birthday. I don't think I ever saw this before in the game.

Conversely, while I've seen a couple guys hit a brick wall when they turned 35, I've seen others play right on through 40. This is also cool, as my biggest problem with the aging before wasn't so much that 38 was a death year but that it seemed to be one for *everybody*. Now death years apparently vary wildly from player to player.

06-21-2005, 03:04 PM	#1
Cobra2002 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 62	Aging in 6.5 Has anyone noticed players aging a lot faster in 6.5? I have had three 4+ star players around the ages of 33-35, who had multiple $10 million plus years remaining, turn into 1-star duds. This turned my team from a postseason staple to a high draft lottery. I was able to unload one of them through waivers, but the other two are basically taking up roster space. All three of the players (Catcher, Second Base, and a Starting Pitcher) were all-stars last season. I was looking around the league and a lot of players were also fizziling out around the age of 34-35 while before 6.5, they would go up to 38-39 before seeing a stats decline. Last edited by Cobra2002; 06-21-2005 at 03:06 PM.

06-21-2005, 03:05 PM	#2
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	No, my players are still aging a year at a time. My 35 year old turned 36 the next year on his birthday. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

06-21-2005, 05:44 PM	#8
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	You might try SkyDog's preliminary recommended settings for aging. Hitter Developement: 30 Hitter Aging: -25 Pitcher Developement: 30 Pitcher Aging: -25 Last edited by sfgiants88; 06-21-2005 at 06:12 PM.

06-21-2005, 11:19 PM	#17
tdneu Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 180	I noticed in 6.5 with the defaults that quite a few of the star players started declining noticeably in their early thirties, and retired (at least the first time) at 34 or 35. I also noticed a lot of guys not reaching the Show until 24 or 25, meaning I was having trouble getting realistic career stat arcs because guys just weren't around long enough to put up the numbers. I restarted my league, and set Batter and Pitcher Development Speed to +30% so guys reach the Bigs a little sooner. I also decreased Batter Aging to -15% and Pitcher Aging to -30%. The difference being that pitchers tend to age more gracefully than hitters. There are a lot of 40 year old pitchers, but only a handful of 40 year old position players in MLB. Now I'm starting to see some decent potential career numbers. Star rookies are coming in at 21 or 22 and older guys are retiring at 37 or 38, with the occasional pitcher lasting until 40 or 41. That seems much more realistic to me. Last edited by tdneu; 06-21-2005 at 11:21 PM.

06-21-2005, 03:06 PM	#3
Cobra2002 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 62	Aging as in their ratings and stats declining....

06-21-2005, 03:34 PM	#4
Johnny99 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 209	He's being cute

06-21-2005, 03:40 PM	#5
Cobra2002 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 62	I am aware

06-21-2005, 03:56 PM	#7
AsTrOFaN Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 334	I have noticed fluctuations in star ratings for players, so this could be playing a role here. I've seen a 2.5 * SP switch between 2.5 and 1 * over the course of a season with no change in ratings. I haven't seen any super-aging effects though.

06-21-2005, 07:22 PM	#10
nevets2300 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 16	I've notice, in my solo league, sosa,palmairo(bad spelling) and other players who started the season at 3 or more stars are flopping down to one star players, and Bonds is rapily dropping, he has more walks then strikeout and may be sent to the minor by august....Bonds made it back in july.

06-22-2005, 03:27 AM	#18
Johnny Slick Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,012	So far I've seen a lot more players get into the bigs on their own when they're 20 to 23 than in the last version, which is great IMO. You even see less-than-stellar players do that, get to the peak before they're 25, and then wash out of the bigs by their 32nd birthday. I don't think I ever saw this before in the game. Conversely, while I've seen a couple guys hit a brick wall when they turned 35, I've seen others play right on through 40. This is also cool, as my biggest problem with the aging before wasn't so much that 38 was a death year but that it seemed to be one for everybody. Now death years apparently vary wildly from player to player.