Is LOB being tracked correctly?

Sweed · 06-15-2005, 07:33 AM

I don't believe this is being tracked as it should be. Right now the game simply totals all the individual players lob stat instead of giving the correct team total.
In my last game I had 19 hits and 2 walks scored 6 runs and left 30 men on base. Kind of hard to leave more men on base than you had runners. Here is what I believe is happening...

Jones bats with bases loaded and 1 out and k's = 4 lob
Smith follows with bases loaded and also k's = 4 lob

boxscore says total = 8 lob

when actually the team only left 4 men on base.

I've only played two games, anyone esle seeing this?

Treches · 06-15-2005, 08:34 AM

If that's the case, I don't think it is calculating it correctly.
I believe it should be:

Jones: 3
Smith: 3
Team: 3

Runners aren't cummulative for team LOB.

Sweed · 06-15-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treches

If that's the case, I don't think it is calculating it correctly.
I believe it should be:

Jones: 3
Smith: 3
Team: 3

Runners aren't cummulative for team LOB.

Exactly. I was real impressed that it was keeping it for individuals but a little disappointed the team total wasn't correct. Just wanted to make sure if it was a design decision due to database size or an error.

endgame · 06-15-2005, 03:47 PM

I am very grateful that this feature was included, don't get me wrong. I've been wanting it for a long time. The current data collection still offers up information I wouldn't have had otherwise. It's great to compare who's getting the job done.

Question though, is it for the game stat only? I can't find any record for it in the Team totals anywhere so that we could look at month's or a year's comparison between the individual teams. If it doesn't exist, that'd be a nice next step -- even if the collected numbers stay in the same format, the team totals would be still be of interest.

Sweed · 06-15-2005, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

I am very grateful that this feature was included, don't get me wrong. I've been wanting it for a long time. The current data collection still offers up information I wouldn't have had otherwise. It's great to compare who's getting the job done.

Question though, is it for the game stat only? I can't find any record for it in the Team totals anywhere so that we could look at month's or a year's comparison between the individual teams. If it doesn't exist, that'd be a nice next step -- even if the collected numbers stay in the same format, the team totals would be still be of interest.

I don't think it's being kept anywhere but the boxscore. If it is I haven't seen it yet.

I too like seeing how the individual players are doing in the game with regard to men left on base. But do wish the team total was given. I would have thought more people would have commented on this considering how many of
us have asked for it over the years.

If it is due to there not being a place in the database (design decision?) to do the team total it's not a big deal to me. But if it can be made to show the team total if a patch is done that would be cool too

endgame · 06-16-2005, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweed

I don't think it's being kept anywhere but the boxscore. If it is I haven't seen it yet.

The fact that it IS in the box scores yields some confidence that it will eventually show up in Anderson's Utilities. That looks to be a growing resource for information gathering.

Davey Eckstein · 06-16-2005, 12:23 AM

Isn't it how many the hitter left on base?

Ex.
Smith up with bases loaded, strikes out. He gets 3 LOB.
Jones does the same, 3 for him.

Or am I wrong?

endgame · 06-16-2005, 12:28 AM

I suppose you could track an individual's LOB, but the totals I'm used to reading are team totals. Provided no other LOB have occured during the inning, Smith up with bases loaded and 1 out. Strikes out. Jones does the same. Inning ends. Team has 3 LOB for the inning.

cgh3rd · 06-16-2005, 02:49 AM

I agree the team's totals should not be acquired from adding individual's totals. I do like seeing the individual's totals but it would nice to have the correct team total.

arod23 · 06-16-2005, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

Isn't it how many the hitter left on base?

Ex.
Smith up with bases loaded, strikes out. He gets 3 LOB.
Jones does the same, 3 for him.

Or am I wrong?

LOB has a hitter definition and a team definition.
Hitter LOB: How many runners on base when he makes an out.
Team LOB: How many runners on base when the inning ends (3 outs).

So the above posts are correct, Team LOB is not the sum of each hitter's LOB.

06-15-2005, 07:33 AM	#1
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,748	Is LOB being tracked correctly? I don't believe this is being tracked as it should be. Right now the game simply totals all the individual players lob stat instead of giving the correct team total. In my last game I had 19 hits and 2 walks scored 6 runs and left 30 men on base. Kind of hard to leave more men on base than you had runners. Here is what I believe is happening... Jones bats with bases loaded and 1 out and k's = 4 lob Smith follows with bases loaded and also k's = 4 lob boxscore says total = 8 lob when actually the team only left 4 men on base. I've only played two games, anyone esle seeing this?

06-15-2005, 08:34 AM	#2
Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	If that's the case, I don't think it is calculating it correctly. I believe it should be: Jones: 3 Smith: 3 Team: 3 Runners aren't cummulative for team LOB. __________________ The Computer Baseball League

06-15-2005, 03:47 PM	#4
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	I am very grateful that this feature was included, don't get me wrong. I've been wanting it for a long time. The current data collection still offers up information I wouldn't have had otherwise. It's great to compare who's getting the job done. Question though, is it for the game stat only? I can't find any record for it in the Team totals anywhere so that we could look at month's or a year's comparison between the individual teams. If it doesn't exist, that'd be a nice next step -- even if the collected numbers stay in the same format, the team totals would be still be of interest. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

06-16-2005, 12:28 AM	#8
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	I suppose you could track an individual's LOB, but the totals I'm used to reading are team totals. Provided no other LOB have occured during the inning, Smith up with bases loaded and 1 out. Strikes out. Jones does the same. Inning ends. Team has 3 LOB for the inning. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

06-16-2005, 02:49 AM	#9
cgh3rd Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 83	I agree the team's totals should not be acquired from adding individual's totals. I do like seeing the individual's totals but it would nice to have the correct team total. __________________ Thanks, Chuck Senior member on the board with the least amount of posts.

06-16-2005, 12:23 AM	#7
Davey Eckstein Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Laundry Barn Favorite food: Bran flakes. Posts: 1,283	Isn't it how many the hitter left on base? Ex. Smith up with bases loaded, strikes out. He gets 3 LOB. Jones does the same, 3 for him. Or am I wrong?