OOTP 6.5 100-Year League History - Page 3

Ragin Cajun · 06-14-2005, 03:28 PM

Looking at Edward Sloan on the milestone board, very Hank Aaronesque in his career. A 19 year career thusfar at the age of 40. He sits at 2,864 hits and 564 career HR's. He never had >190 hits in a season and only hit 40+ HR on four occasions. Definitely a model of consistency and not showing a big jump or spike in any category for the most part.

His career high average is .344 and his low is .249. When he had that low he was in a stretch of .272, .290, .293, .258, .299, .290, .249. Pretty consistent but with allowances for a "down year". Pretty realistic numbers it appears on this guy.

Also, in regards to age, note that at 40 he signed a 1 year deal with his club at a slightly reduced value from his prior contract. That contract was a 2 year extension off his career contract of 16mill a year.

Dagrims · 06-14-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

2055: Closer had 37 saves, 3.03 ERA. A total of 6 relievers had ERA's of 3.73 or less.

2053: rookie closer, 26 saves, much weaker bullpen overall

We may have the answer there.

Perhaps this is as much an indictment of current MLB reliever usage as the game's AI, but why would a reasonable manager remove a pitcher with a high endurance performing as Sevier did in 2055 (0.95 WHIP, 1.67 ERA, 7 HRA in 253 IP) for those relievers? I wonder if there is some sort of "winning by three runs or less in 8th inning on" instruction that automatically inserts a setup man and then the closer in the 9th. If so, it replicates real-life to an extent, but pitchers this good would still get more than 1-3 complete games in a season. Pedro had seven in 29 starts in 2000 with a good bullpen and an endurance rating that I'd place certainly below 90.

If Sevier was on my team, I would throw a 'slow hook' on him, he'd have 15-20 complete games per season, and my team would have more wins as a result. He didn't even win half his starts in 2055 (for a team that won 86 games). For his career, 28% of his starts resulted in no-decisions. Compare that to some of MLB's current stars:

Pedro - 19.6%
Maddux - 20.7%
Clemens - 23.3%
R. Johnson - 22%
Schilling - 20.3%
Mussina - 20%

All of them have garnered decisions in signficantly more of their starts than Sevier, and others I've noticed, and that's in an era where relievers are used with greater frequency than ever.

My concern, and it's really not a major one, from looking in detail at Sevier and glancing at some of the other star pitchers from the 100-year history of this test league, is that the AI pulls the best starting pitchers too frequently.

jarmenia · 06-14-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

Perhaps this is as much an indictment of current MLB reliever usage as the game's AI, but why would a reasonable manager remove a pitcher with a high endurance performing as Sevier did in 2055 (0.95 WHIP, 1.67 ERA, 7 HRA in 253 IP) for those relievers? I wonder if there is some sort of "winning by three runs or less in 8th inning on" instruction that automatically inserts a setup man and then the closer in the 9th. If so, it replicates real-life to an extent, but pitchers this good would still get more than 1-3 complete games in a season. Pedro had seven in 29 starts in 2000 with a good bullpen and an endurance rating that I'd place certainly below 90.

If Sevier was on my team, I would throw a 'slow hook' on him, he'd have 15-20 complete games per season, and my team would have more wins as a result. He didn't even win half his starts in 2055 (for a team that won 86 games). For his career, 28% of his starts resulted in no-decisions. Compare that to some of MLB's current stars:

Pedro - 19.6%
Maddux - 20.7%
Clemens - 23.3%
R. Johnson - 22%
Schilling - 20.3%
Mussina - 20%

All of them have garnered decisions in signficantly more of their starts than Sevier, and others I've glanced at, and that's in an era where relievers are used with greater frequency than ever.

My concern, and it's really not a major one, from looking in detail at Sevier and glancing at some of the other star pitchers from the 100-year history of this test league, is that the AI pulls the best starting pitchers all too frequently.

Perhaps the manager settings can be used to set the average hook to a little slower?

John

Dagrims · 06-14-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

Perhaps the manager settings can be used to set the average hook to a little slower?

John

As far as I know, the AI will change the settings back to the default for the era for computer-owned teams. You'd basically need to change the era setting for using relief for teams not owned by humans.

rem · 06-14-2005, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

2055: Closer had 37 saves, 3.03 ERA. A total of 6 relievers had ERA's of 3.73 or less.

2053: rookie closer, 26 saves, much weaker bullpen overall

We may have the answer there.

wow, i didn't know that the AI was that smart.

rem · 06-14-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

As far as I know, the AI will change the settings back to the default for the era for computer-owned teams. You'd basically need to change the era setting for using relief for teams not owned by humans.

I believe that changed with 6.5

jarmenia · 06-14-2005, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagrims

As far as I know, the AI will change the settings back to the default for the era for computer-owned teams. You'd basically need to change the era setting for using relief for teams not owned by humans.

This was supposed to have been changed in 6.5 so that we can set the manager tendencies.

John.

Ragin Cajun · 06-14-2005, 04:11 PM

Wow, check out this run by Omar Navarro. He led the league in wins 11 times in this stretch. He also pulled a Denny McClain but one upped him with 30+ wins twice during this stretch.

2053, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 25 Wins, 6 Losses, 2.49 ERA
2053, Lester Price (New York (A)), 23 Wins, 4 Losses, 3.60 ERA
2053, Kenneth Sevier (Chicago (N)), 25 Wins, 3 Losses, 1.30 ERA
2054, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 22 Wins, 10 Losses, 2.90 ERA
2054, Benjamin Nieves (Florida), 28 Wins, 2 Losses, 2.33 ERA
2055, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 23 Wins, 7 Losses, 1.94 ERA
2055, Lester Price (Montreal), 22 Wins, 7 Losses, 3.27 ERA
2057, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 23 Wins, 7 Losses, 2.10 ERA
2057, Mickey Pugsley (Detroit), 20 Wins, 8 Losses, 3.52 ERA
2058, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 32 Wins, 2 Losses, 1.40 ERA
2059, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 23 Wins, 6 Losses, 2.12 ERA
2060, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 29 Wins, 4 Losses, 1.73 ERA
2060, Kenneth Sevier (Chicago (N)), 20 Wins, 8 Losses, 2.03 ERA
2061, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 23 Wins, 8 Losses, 2.34 ERA
2061, Kenneth Sevier (Chicago (N)), 20 Wins, 7 Losses, 2.88 ERA
2062, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 22 Wins, 9 Losses, 1.69 ERA
2063, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 28 Wins, 5 Losses, 1.90 ERA
2063, Eddie Grantham (Montreal), 21 Wins, 8 Losses, 3.17 ERA
2064, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 21 Wins, 8 Losses, 2.52 ERA

silvam14 · 06-14-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

This was supposed to have been changed in 6.5 so that we can set the manager tendencies.

John.

I agree, can someone confirm that manager tendencies DO NOT get reset to default when team is computer owned?

Solonor · 06-14-2005, 04:20 PM

Did you have anyone come out of retirement? Can you tell?

Gastric ReFlux · 06-14-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

I agree, can someone confirm that manager tendencies DO NOT get reset to default when team is computer owned?

Anyone? Anyone? That a huge one to me.

kingcharlesxii · 06-14-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

Anyone? Anyone? That a huge one to me.

I'm going to test it right now, should have an answer in a few mins.

EDIT: Just got an emergency at work, gonna have to wait a bit. :/

spleen1015 · 06-14-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

Anyone? Anyone? That a huge one to me.

GR, it is a toggleable option in the league setup.

Gastric ReFlux · 06-14-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

GR, it is a toggleable option in the league setup.

So you have to set an option, right? Then you can set AI manager tendecies, and they'll stick?

Gastric ReFlux · 06-14-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kingcharlesxii

I'm going to test it right now, should have an answer in a few mins.

EDIT: Just got an emergency at work, gonna have to wait a bit. :/

No hurry on that. Unfortunately, I'm probably not going to get it installed til sometime after 7 tonight.

spleen1015 · 06-14-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

So you have to set an option, right? Then you can set AI manager tendecies, and they'll stick?

Set all of the tendencies for the AI teams.

Then, set the 'Lock AI Team Strategy Settings' option to 'Yes, locked.'

EDIT - And don't sim between setting tendencies and locking them.

Cardinal Rule · 06-14-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

EDIT - And don't seem between setting tendencies and locking them.

I had to re-read this five times to get what 'seem' meant.

silvam14 · 06-14-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardinal Rule

I had to re-read this five times to get what 'seem' meant.

Me too!

spleen1015 · 06-14-2005, 04:39 PM

Whoops. Sorry guys!

I spelled every word in this reply wrong the first time too.

Dark Horse · 06-14-2005, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagrims

Perhaps this is as much an indictment of current MLB reliever usage as the game's AI, but why would a reasonable manager remove a pitcher with a high endurance performing as Sevier did in 2055 (0.95 WHIP, 1.67 ERA, 7 HRA in 253 IP) for those relievers? I wonder if there is some sort of "winning by three runs or less in 8th inning on" instruction that automatically inserts a setup man and then the closer in the 9th. If so, it replicates real-life to an extent, but pitchers this good would still get more than 1-3 complete games in a season. Pedro had seven in 29 starts in 2000 with a good bullpen and an endurance rating that I'd place certainly below 90.

If Sevier was on my team, I would throw a 'slow hook' on him, he'd have 15-20 complete games per season, and my team would have more wins as a result. He didn't even win half his starts in 2055 (for a team that won 86 games). For his career, 28% of his starts resulted in no-decisions. Compare that to some of MLB's current stars:

Pedro - 19.6%
Maddux - 20.7%
Clemens - 23.3%
R. Johnson - 22%
Schilling - 20.3%
Mussina - 20%

All of them have garnered decisions in signficantly more of their starts than Sevier, and others I've noticed, and that's in an era where relievers are used with greater frequency than ever.

My concern, and it's really not a major one, from looking in detail at Sevier and glancing at some of the other star pitchers from the 100-year history of this test league, is that the AI pulls the best starting pitchers too frequently.

Part of this problem is the ai pinch hitting for a pitcher as early as the sixth inning if a the game is close. Seiver was more than likely an ace, so he probably faced mostly the other team's ace. So he probably was in a lot of tight 1-0 or 1-1 games and got pulled for a PH.

You not only have to give him a slow hook, but you also have to select "Never pinch hit for this player."

06-14-2005, 03:28 PM	#41
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	Looking at Edward Sloan on the milestone board, very Hank Aaronesque in his career. A 19 year career thusfar at the age of 40. He sits at 2,864 hits and 564 career HR's. He never had >190 hits in a season and only hit 40+ HR on four occasions. Definitely a model of consistency and not showing a big jump or spike in any category for the most part. His career high average is .344 and his low is .249. When he had that low he was in a stretch of .272, .290, .293, .258, .299, .290, .249. Pretty consistent but with allowances for a "down year". Pretty realistic numbers it appears on this guy. Also, in regards to age, note that at 40 he signed a 1 year deal with his club at a slightly reduced value from his prior contract. That contract was a 2 year extension off his career contract of 16mill a year. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion Last edited by Ragin Cajun; 06-14-2005 at 03:30 PM.

06-14-2005, 04:11 PM	#48
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	Wow, check out this run by Omar Navarro. He led the league in wins 11 times in this stretch. He also pulled a Denny McClain but one upped him with 30+ wins twice during this stretch. 2053, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 25 Wins, 6 Losses, 2.49 ERA 2053, Lester Price (New York (A)), 23 Wins, 4 Losses, 3.60 ERA 2053, Kenneth Sevier (Chicago (N)), 25 Wins, 3 Losses, 1.30 ERA 2054, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 22 Wins, 10 Losses, 2.90 ERA 2054, Benjamin Nieves (Florida), 28 Wins, 2 Losses, 2.33 ERA 2055, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 23 Wins, 7 Losses, 1.94 ERA 2055, Lester Price (Montreal), 22 Wins, 7 Losses, 3.27 ERA 2057, Omar Navarro (Baltimore), 23 Wins, 7 Losses, 2.10 ERA 2057, Mickey Pugsley (Detroit), 20 Wins, 8 Losses, 3.52 ERA 2058, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 32 Wins, 2 Losses, 1.40 ERA 2059, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 23 Wins, 6 Losses, 2.12 ERA 2060, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 29 Wins, 4 Losses, 1.73 ERA 2060, Kenneth Sevier (Chicago (N)), 20 Wins, 8 Losses, 2.03 ERA 2061, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 23 Wins, 8 Losses, 2.34 ERA 2061, Kenneth Sevier (Chicago (N)), 20 Wins, 7 Losses, 2.88 ERA 2062, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 22 Wins, 9 Losses, 1.69 ERA 2063, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 28 Wins, 5 Losses, 1.90 ERA 2063, Eddie Grantham (Montreal), 21 Wins, 8 Losses, 3.17 ERA 2064, Omar Navarro (Tampa Bay), 21 Wins, 8 Losses, 2.52 ERA __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

06-14-2005, 04:20 PM	#50
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,467	Did you have anyone come out of retirement? Can you tell? __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-14-2005, 04:39 PM	#59
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	Whoops. Sorry guys! I spelled every word in this reply wrong the first time too. Last edited by spleen1015; 06-14-2005 at 04:43 PM.