OK, its June-this is the last release till OOTP7 Why aren't we demanding more in it?

[Dan Theman]

Originally Posted by TheNutz72

It was my intention to stir things up. I was hoping for a grass roots movement to start requesting more features to be implemented. I guess I have been disappointed with the push back of OOTP7. I believe I asked this question politely, I used words like 'ask for', and I used them politley. I didn't target anyone or insult anyone.

Sadly, instead of starting a thread that would (possibly) put some pressure on SI, I have only started a thread that targets me and the fact 10 <> 20. 7 of 8 replies to point this out.

The question still remains, why aren't we asking for more?

I am stirred. Deeply. To my bones. Dang it ...

*flush*

By the way, you're also possibly mistaken about one more thing: SI has absolutely nothing to do with 6.5 - that's all Markus. He didn't let on to hardly anyone that this was coming, so 6.5 shouldn't be anything that anyone finds dissappointing because there were zero expectations for it. In fact he'd said that there would be no more patches or updates for v6. Well, at least he didn't lie ... he just made an expansion.

But if you don't want it or don't feel it's worth it, don't buy it. It's basically a surprise that's being offered to the OOTP community, and v6 works without it.

Both he and SI are under pressure to make a great, working game in a timely manner (OOTP7/FE/2006), and I don't think they need any more help in that department. I understand your wish for a better game and the desire to have it as soon as possible, but a grass-roots movement won't speed up anyone else's coding, testing, marketing, or downloading to your computer.

Thanks Markus, and keep up the good work.

[TETCHY]

Originally Posted by endgame

The credit I extend is usually proportional to a demonstrated record. As often as I am able I do my research -- some say use the search function -- or other means before I lay out my words for execution -- I mean, evaluation.

Consider this: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...&postcount=192

Also, regardless of the post or poster I try to learn all I can in this arena; not only about the Game. With the variety of personalities and ideologies at work here, the exchanges vary from empty words to genuine and well-articulated dogma. Certainly, within that context, there generally exist threads of thought that offer value.

For instance: "The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because generally they are the same people.” That's one viable strategy for survival in the OOTP Forums.

And.....

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[endgame]

Originally Posted by TETCHY

And.....

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LOL. I'll assume those are from my neighbor.

[TheNutz72]

Originally Posted by endgame

The credit I extend is usually proportional to a demonstrated record. As often as I am able I do my research -- some say use the search function -- or other means before I lay out my words for execution -- I mean, evaluation.

Consider this: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...&postcount=192

Also, regardless of the post or poster I try to learn all I can in this arena; not only about the Game. With the variety of personalities and ideologies at work here, the exchanges vary from empty words to genuine and well-articulated dogma. Certainly, within that context, there generally exist threads of thought that offer value.

For instance: "The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because generally they are the same people.” That's one viable strategy for survival in the OOTP Forums.

As usual a post that lends to much thought. It was such thought, that after my initial enthusiasm for the coming release and reflection of some posts in the recent SI inquiry into why no H2H in v6 (i.e. release early or release with all features, asked by Markus). I began to question, do we really need a June release or can we wait a month, especially with OOTP7 being farther down the road.

EDIT :BTW I got the price right in that post - yay me !

[Dan Theman]

Well, at least Markus did say he'd patch 6.5. While I doubt there will be more features added, we can always dream.

Of course, I also think a part of him and SI want to also make sure that there's a distinct enough gap between any existing product and the one they're producing together. That and simply the time available to Markus are likely what such hopes would be up against.

[You'll Thank Me Later]

Originally Posted by endgame

LOL. I'll assume those are from my neighbor.

Which, of course, means that they're from the enemy.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

Which, of course, means that they're from the enemy.

... "generally".

As long as flowers are the overture, one can consider the other an alternative. But when first the teeth are shown, one doubts a bouquet rests on the tongue.

[El Cid Part II]

I agree with majesty

It was also very nice of him to ask for our input, even though he knew most of us would ask for unreasonable requests, he did look over and say "That shouldn't take alot of effort" and did it

How many companies do that?

[Davey Eckstein]

This thread confuses me.

You're complaining that he's releasing an expansion pack without telling us? And the fact he didn't use every idea? We're lucky he even asked for ideas! Most developers wouldn't do that. And your reason for making this is so SI releases the game earlier? This actually is kinda funny.

[canadiancreed]

this guy must be a blast when he's dealing with large mega-corps that rather he insert pistol A into orrifice B and pull trigger C then listen to him at all.

How folks can complain about a comapny that gives a crap about what it's clientele things, I wonder how crazy they go for guys liek Comcast and m$

[TheNutz72]

Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

This thread confuses me.

You're complaining that he's releasing an expansion pack without telling us? And the fact he didn't use every idea? We're lucky he even asked for ideas! Most developers wouldn't do that. And your reason for making this is so SI releases the game earlier? This actually is kinda funny.

If you're confused, always remember boys kiss girls. Please don't further hijack this thread with things I never said. I am NOT asking for a quick I am asking the exact opposite - for time to add new features, DUH. And ALL developers do ask for input, esp. for already released products like a product in its 6th version and you want to know what is missing for later releases, DUH! You ask people what they want because you want your customers happy!

[MogulChamp]

Originally Posted by TheNutz72

Instead of asking where it is, why aren't we asking why more of our feature requests aren't going to be included in a $20 release?

Markus does not have to release another version of OOTP. He could say "screw you guys, I'm going home." And never look at this game again.

But he doesn't... He is a great developer who actually listens to the customers (which he doesn't have to either).

He could charge $200 for it, you don't have to buy it and he owes you absolutely nothing. So be happy that he is continuing to make a game we all love.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Dagrims

I'm not asking because the list of added features is already substantial, and my concern is that the extra time it might take to add more of our suggestions into a version designed to tide us over until V7 wouldn't be worth the wait.

^^^ what he said

[endgame]

Originally Posted by TrueCardinalFan

^^^ what he said

Especially in light that 6.5 will be supported by patches. It's not like we've never had Markus include a new feature with a patch, eh?

Given that 6.5 performs as expected, I'd prefer his energies continue to focus on securing reliable performance in v7.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by TrueCardinalFan

^^^ what he said

^^^ what he said

[You'll Thank Me Later]

Originally Posted by endgame

... "generally"

As in "enemy general"?

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

As in "enemy general"?

As in "Enemy Mine"?

[endgame]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

As in "enemy general"?

general as in "embracing a majority", sometimes both a difficult concept and task.

[UngratefulDead]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

Because then we wouldn't be happy with what we were getting?

Is this a trick question?

More of a joke than a trick question really.

-UngratefulDead