+++ OOTP 6.5 Expansion Pack announced! +++ - Page 2

bulldog55 · 05-26-2005, 10:07 AM

*forcefully containing his excitement*

Stop it! We're angry!

DougWyatt · 05-26-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

Why does this cost money?

I agree ... I have NO problem, at all, with buying a new game each year when they come out. As it should be, as a company has to make money, but I think that improvements to current games are patches.

IMO these are all additions that would be included in v7, and I would gladly pay for that finished product - but I think it's wrong to add a few things and charge for them. Truth being - we could all just wait until spring (when v7 finally comes out) to get these upgrades, and skip this payment. But, unfortuneately - many leagues will adopt this patch - errr I mean - "expansion pack" and people (me included) will be forced to purchase it.

Point being that I don't think any "extra work" was involved in these additions, as IMO they were being done anyway to be part of the v7 product. So in essense, I'm getting charged twice for some of the improvements.

spleen1015 · 05-26-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

I agree ... I have NO problem, at all, with buying a new game each year when they come out. As it should be, as a company has to make money, but I think that improvements to current games are patches.

IMO these are all additions that would be included in v7, and I would gladly pay for that finished product - but I think it's wrong to add a few things and charge for them. Truth being - we could all just wait until spring (when v7 finally comes out) to get these upgrades, and skip this payment. But, unfortuneately - many leagues will adopt this patch - errr I mean - "expansion pack" and people (me included) will be forced to purchase it.

Point being that I don't think any "extra work" was involved in these additions, as IMO they were being done anyway to be part of the v7 product. So in essense, I'm getting charged twice for some of the improvements.

Maybe some of us don't want to wait until OOTP7 and are willing to pay the $10. You can't speak for everyone.

bulldog55 · 05-26-2005, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougWyatt

But, unfortuneately - many leagues will adopt this patch - errr I mean - "expansion pack" and people (me included) will be forced to purchase it.

I was going to quote the announcement to defend them, as it was backwards compatible, but then I reread it and you're right:

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However, team exports from 6.5 are not compatible with OOTP 6.12, so online leagues require all members to run the same version.

Ok, now I'm a little more upset.

bulldog55 · 05-26-2005, 10:10 AM

Dola,

if the commish is running 6.5, can league members run 6.12?

spleen1015 · 05-26-2005, 10:11 AM

You can run both versions at the same time on the same computer. I am doing it right now with 2 machines. Just install each version in a different directory.

treedom · 05-26-2005, 10:11 AM

Wow, this is unexpected. Some nice features in there!

attackemu · 05-26-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Maybe some of us don't want to wait until OOTP7 and are willing to pay the $10. You can't speak for everyone.

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V7 is a lot more change than this. As we learned recently, the whole code is being rewritten. Maybe this would have been (part of?) V7 if OOTP hadn't joined SI, but as it is, I think it's an excellent addition, and well worth the money.

There's so much new stuff, it honestly feels like a whole new version, and if anything, I'm happy to be dropping ten instead of twenty dollars on it.

Plus, I'm happy to support Markus and OOTP whenever I can, so I won't get too upset about it.

treedom · 05-26-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

You can run both versions at the same time on the same computer. I am doing it right now with 2 machines. Just install each version in a different directory.

The trick I've been using with patches is to just have two separate exe files in the same directory. Does this still work with the expansion? Or is something other than the executable file changed?

rlfreeze2 · 05-26-2005, 10:13 AM

Would it be possible to get a group discount on this? What if I wanted to purchase this for all 30 teams in my league?

Sweed · 05-26-2005, 10:13 AM

I don't have any problem paying $9.95 for this expansion. If Markus had not gone to SI and had released this "expansion" in March it would have been called ootp7 and we would have paid $30 for it. Lot's of cool things here that have been asked for in the past and will really make it a new game.

With this many additions will there be any negative effects if I update the game during a season? I ask because I am just getting ready to start my post season in my current league and will wait to start my next season until the expansion comes out if necessary.

Eugene Church · 05-26-2005, 10:14 AM

Thanks, Markus.

If it is as good as it looks, this will be fine and worth the money.

I hope it is thoroughly tested before it is released...and patched if needed.

Just an observation: Markus is in business. He is not operating a charity for those obscessed with computer baseball...although my wife wishes someone would start a chapter of OOTPB Anonymous.

If the game has been improved like the announcement says, it is well worth $10.

It would be worth that to me just to cut down on those incessant foul balls...improved play results by including the many plays that are missing from V6 like no dropped throws, 4 players never catch foul balls, no one ever drops a foul ball or infield fly, just to name a few.

Really like the ability to set lineups 7 days ahead...especially for pitching rotations...retirements in mid-season and retirement comebacks...all very nice additions.

Looking forward to BigCity's view, preview or review.

bulldog55 · 05-26-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

You can run both versions at the same time on the same computer. I am doing it right now with 2 machines. Just install each version in a different directory.

Yes, but what about leagues that want to switch to 6.5 for things like the 7-day lineups? Will owners who don't want to make the switch not have to and simply miss out on the new features? Or will they be forced to upgrade as well?

andymac · 05-26-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

Dola,

if the commish is running 6.5, can league members run 6.12?

Doesn't look like it. This is the one black mark on this expansion. There are a lot of people that are going to have to run both versions because they want to play the new version, but their on-line league isn't updating because not everyone in the league wants to pay the $10 bucks.

Don't get me wrong, the expansion is great, but it is definately going to cause problems for on-line leagues.

spleen1015 · 05-26-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by treedom

The trick I've been using with patches is to just have two separate exe files in the same directory. Does this still work with the expansion? Or is something other than the executable file changed?

It needs to be seperate directories this time.

Melo · 05-26-2005, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by attackemu

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V7 is a lot more change than this. As we learned recently, the whole code is being rewritten. Maybe this would have been (part of?) V7 if OOTP hadn't joined SI, but as it is, I think it's an excellent addition, and well worth the money.

There's so much new stuff, it honestly feels like a whole new version, and if anything, I'm happy to be dropping ten instead of twenty dollars on it.

Plus, I'm happy to support Markus and OOTP whenever I can, so I won't get too upset about it.

^^What he said.

jeheinz72 · 05-26-2005, 10:17 AM

The money argument seems pretty silly. If you want to just buy the new game each year, then do that. It's your choice. Plus since we're a male-dominated community, I doubt that you couldn't forgo 2 trips for fast food to scratch up 10 bucks. If it was $20, ok, maybe you'd have a point, but how many times in a month do you whittle away $10 puny dollars?

Plus, regarding an earlier comment, just because something was WANTED for a long time, doesn't mean it should all of the sudden be free. As a former programmer, there is still a lot of work that goes into the project.

crazyhorsejohnny · 05-26-2005, 10:17 AM

Some guys are ****in cheep.

Codered · 05-26-2005, 10:20 AM

Excellent news.. The new features look to be great additions to OOTP6!

bulldog55 · 05-26-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorsejohnny

Some guys are ****in cheep.

Damn right.

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05-26-2005, 10:11 AM	#27
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	Wow, this is unexpected. Some nice features in there! __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

05-26-2005, 10:14 AM	#32
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,235	Thanks, Markus. If it is as good as it looks, this will be fine and worth the money. I hope it is thoroughly tested before it is released...and patched if needed. Just an observation: Markus is in business. He is not operating a charity for those obscessed with computer baseball...although my wife wishes someone would start a chapter of OOTPB Anonymous. If the game has been improved like the announcement says, it is well worth $10. It would be worth that to me just to cut down on those incessant foul balls...improved play results by including the many plays that are missing from V6 like no dropped throws, 4 players never catch foul balls, no one ever drops a foul ball or infield fly, just to name a few. Really like the ability to set lineups 7 days ahead...especially for pitching rotations...retirements in mid-season and retirement comebacks...all very nice additions. Looking forward to BigCity's view, preview or review. Last edited by Eugene Church; 05-26-2005 at 10:45 AM.

05-26-2005, 10:17 AM	#37
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	The money argument seems pretty silly. If you want to just buy the new game each year, then do that. It's your choice. Plus since we're a male-dominated community, I doubt that you couldn't forgo 2 trips for fast food to scratch up 10 bucks. If it was $20, ok, maybe you'd have a point, but how many times in a month do you whittle away $10 puny dollars? Plus, regarding an earlier comment, just because something was WANTED for a long time, doesn't mean it should all of the sudden be free. As a former programmer, there is still a lot of work that goes into the project. __________________ Join The Dugout!

05-26-2005, 10:10 AM	#25
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,481	Dola, if the commish is running 6.5, can league members run 6.12?

05-26-2005, 10:11 AM	#26
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	You can run both versions at the same time on the same computer. I am doing it right now with 2 machines. Just install each version in a different directory.

05-26-2005, 10:13 AM	#30
rlfreeze2 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 55	Would it be possible to get a group discount on this? What if I wanted to purchase this for all 30 teams in my league?

05-26-2005, 10:13 AM	#31
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,071	I don't have any problem paying $9.95 for this expansion. If Markus had not gone to SI and had released this "expansion" in March it would have been called ootp7 and we would have paid $30 for it. Lot's of cool things here that have been asked for in the past and will really make it a new game. With this many additions will there be any negative effects if I update the game during a season? I ask because I am just getting ready to start my post season in my current league and will wait to start my next season until the expansion comes out if necessary.

05-26-2005, 10:17 AM	#38
crazyhorsejohnny All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 818	Some guys are ****in cheep.

05-26-2005, 10:20 AM	#39
Codered Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 18	Excellent news.. The new features look to be great additions to OOTP6!