Dave Kingman eat your heart out

rudel.dietrich · 05-05-2005, 05:47 PM

This player just retired in one of my solo leagues and I thought I would share.
I was going to do a HOF or not thread but he had a longer carrer than I thought he would.

He has drafted at 19 in the 10th round, 288th overall pick. He was in the minors for six years before lots of hardwork and many many many talent bumps propelled him to the lineup. A right handed second basemen, he was 6'0 190 lbs.
He was god awful second basemen, no range and .965 fielding%
Never much of a contact hitter and he was just awful at getting on base.
But good freaking lord, he hit the ball hard every single time that he made contact.
60% of his hits were extra bases. I am going to assume that is the largest margain in history.
He had more strikeouts than hits, and more homeruns than walks.
He won 4 MVPs, only one of which he deserved. He won them in 2031, 2032, 2039, 2040.
He is 8th alltime in homeruns, 16th in doubles, 25th in RBI.
Hold the NL record for HR and RBI in a season

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No one probably cares. But I always like sharing odd players.

EDIT: Forgot carrer leader boards
<TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>AVG
2039 - .346 - 2nd
2040 - .301 - 10th
</TD><TD class=s4>OBP
2039 - .392 - 7th
</TD><TD class=s4>SLG
2031 - .609 - 1st
2032 - .561 - 2nd
2035 - .615 - 2nd
2036 - .513 - 8th
2039 - .736 - 1st
2040 - .584 - 3rd
2041 - .566 - 6th
</TD><TD class=s4>OPS
2031 - .907 - 9th
2035 - .924 - 6th
2039 - 1.128 - 1st
2040 - .931 - 5th
</TD><TD class=s4>Hits
2039 - 222 - 1st
2040 - 194 - 1st
</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Doubles
2032 - 49 - 4th
2033 - 46 - 7th
2035 - 52 - 4th
2037 - 60 - 1st
2038 - 55 - 5th
2039 - 63 - 2nd
2040 - 62 - 1st
2041 - 67 - 1st
</TD><TD class=s4>Homeruns
2030 - 38 - 8th
2031 - 61 - 1st
2032 - 47 - 2nd
2034 - 40 - 2nd
2035 - 50 - 1st
2036 - 42 - 2nd
2037 - 35 - 3rd
2038 - 36 - 10th
2039 - 61 - 1st
2040 - 39 - 4th
2041 - 35 - 6th
</TD><TD class=s4>RBI
2031 - 126 - 4th
2032 - 149 - 1st
2033 - 115 - 3rd
2035 - 127 - 2nd
2036 - 119 - 3rd
2037 - 125 - 1st
2038 - 116 - 3rd
2039 - 164 - 1st
2040 - 134 - 1st
2041 - 121 - 5th
</TD><TD class=s4>Runs
2031 - 113 - 4th
2032 - 111 - 4th
2039 - 127 - 1st
2040 - 102 - 7th</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Dan Theman · 05-05-2005, 06:09 PM

That's some prolific power ... and he definitely earned the '39 MVP. He reminds me of a comment I once made about Albert Belle back in his heyday: if he ever hits a single, it was by accident.

sebastian0622 · 05-05-2005, 07:16 PM

I care! It's neat to see unique players like him. It's also kind of fun to think about how you'd use a guy like that or if you'd try to trade him. I think he'd be a great 5-6 hitter, behind a couple of good all-around hitters who get on base. He's gonna hit a lot of homers and doubles and he won't GIDP much because he's either striking out or getting a hit. I wonder what his career BABIP is?

rudel.dietrich · 05-05-2005, 07:21 PM

Heh
I just noticed 2034
68% of his hits went for extra bases

canadiancreed · 05-05-2005, 07:22 PM

damn can i get this guy for TWB?! H'ed be a decent #5

rudel.dietrich · 05-05-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian0622

and he won't GIDP much because he's either striking out or putting a dent into the wall or decapiting a fan

Fixed that for ya

rudel.dietrich · 05-05-2005, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

damn can i get this guy for TWB?! H'ed be a decent #5

He is just a weird player all around. Most years he was not even in the top 25 RC/27
But he was a second basemen.
Where else are you going to find that sort of production from a second basemen?

canadiancreed · 05-05-2005, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

He is just a weird player all around. Most years he was not even in the top 25 RC/27
But he was a second basemen.
Where else are you going to find that sort of production from a second basemen?

i hear that

rogmax11 · 05-05-2005, 07:44 PM

That 2039 season jumps out at you, a totally anomalous spike into Albert Pujols territory: high average, loads o' power--followed by a more believable .301 and then a return to mediocre BAs. If it werent for guys like Norm Cash I'd say no way, dude, but it is juuuussst possible that such a season could poke its little head into the decidedly more modest fabric of this guys career. Fun stuff, in any case.

dsvitak · 05-05-2005, 08:23 PM

How EXACTLY did you get the columns to come out that clean? Very important stuff here! TIA.

TonyJ · 05-05-2005, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogmax11

That 2039 season jumps out at you, a totally anomalous spike into Albert Pujols territory: high average, loads o' power--followed by a more believable .301 and then a return to mediocre BAs. If it werent for guys like Norm Cash I'd say no way, dude, but it is juuuussst possible that such a season could poke its little head into the decidedly more modest fabric of this guys career. Fun stuff, in any case.

Not entirely. Granted, his batting average jumped off the map from '38 to '39, but the next few seasons after that he hit close to .300 as well. He must have learned to hit for average late in his career. Now that is pretty unrealistic

Melo · 05-05-2005, 09:37 PM

The 37 season is pretty cool too. This guy is a riddle wrapped in an enigma in an anomaly.

ctorg · 05-06-2005, 09:42 AM

Kingman hit for a significantly lower average than this guy, IIRC, but he walked more. I think Kingman managed an OBP over .300 despite a batting average in the .230s for his career.

OOTP used to generate too many guys that were similar to this. Now, thankfully, they are less common, but they still come up from time to time, making them much more interesting.

BigNastyKrust · 05-06-2005, 10:12 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of Rob Deer.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-06-2005, 11:08 AM

Unlike Kingman, this guy hit a lot of doubles.

rangerforlife · 05-06-2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigNastyKrust

I was thinking more along the lines of Rob Deer.

Exactly...

Elendil · 05-06-2005, 12:14 PM

This player is unlike anyone who's ever played the game in MLB. Rob Deer walked a ton, more than Kingman, and didn't hit many doubles. What's really weird is having that many homers to go with that many doubles, then to have a batting average so low. Almost like what Kingman or Deer would have done in the original Ebbets Field.

Dagrims · 05-06-2005, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elendil

This player is unlike anyone who's ever played the game in MLB. Rob Deer walked a ton, more than Kingman, and didn't hit many doubles. What's really weird is having that many homers to go with that many doubles, then to have a batting average so low. Almost like what Kingman or Deer would have done in the original Ebbets Field.

That could be a likely explanation for this guy's performance, if he hadn't had similar doubles totals for five different teams. That makes his statistics unrealistic. He obviously has little or no speed, since he can't steal bases, hit triples or apparently get any infield singles. That means that he kept hitting the ball over outfielders' heads and was able to lumber in for a double. Opposing managers would simply set their outfielders back near the warning track and turn many of those doubles into outs. Hits that fell in would result in singles.

ctorg · 05-06-2005, 12:24 PM

One thing I brought up is that, by my observation (admittedly not tested statistically, so open to being disproven), power hitters tend to draw a lot of walks. It's not always true, but it most cases it is. In OOTP, that connection is not there. OOTP seems to crank out guys who hit a lot of homers but don't walk much.

rangerforlife · 05-06-2005, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctorg

One thing I brought up is that, by my observation (admittedly not tested statistically, so open to being disproven), power hitters tend to draw a lot of walks. It's not always true, but it most cases it is. In OOTP, that connection is not there. OOTP seems to crank out guys who hit a lot of homers but don't walk much.

I would agree. I'm sure there's not a 100% correlation (Wade Boggs, Rickey Henderson both walked a ton), but I would think power hitters get pitched around more often, thus draw more walks.

Just checking the walks leaders among active players:

Bonds, F. Thomas, Bagwell, Palmeiro, Olerud, Thome, Sheffield, Ventura, Biggio, Griffey, Bernie Williams, Todd Zeile, Tim Salmon, Chip Jones, Luis Gonzalez, Mark McLemore, Man-Ram, Larry Walker, Jason Giambi, Julio Franco. That's the top 20. So there's a strong tendency there, but not 100% correlation (Mark McLemore???).

05-05-2005, 05:47 PM	#1
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Dave Kingman eat your heart out This player just retired in one of my solo leagues and I thought I would share. I was going to do a HOF or not thread but he had a longer carrer than I thought he would. He has drafted at 19 in the 10th round, 288th overall pick. He was in the minors for six years before lots of hardwork and many many many talent bumps propelled him to the lineup. A right handed second basemen, he was 6'0 190 lbs. He was god awful second basemen, no range and .965 fielding% Never much of a contact hitter and he was just awful at getting on base. But good freaking lord, he hit the ball hard every single time that he made contact. 60% of his hits were extra bases. I am going to assume that is the largest margain in history. He had more strikeouts than hits, and more homeruns than walks. He won 4 MVPs, only one of which he deserved. He won them in 2031, 2032, 2039, 2040. He is 8th alltime in homeruns, 16th in doubles, 25th in RBI. Hold the NL record for HR and RBI in a season <TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2028</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>185</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.222</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>.514</TD><TD>.764</TD><TD class=s3_2>CHN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2029</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>202</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.183</TD><TD>.222</TD><TD>.460</TD><TD>.682</TD><TD class=s3>CHN</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2030</TD><TD>154</TD><TD>539</TD><TD>128</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>101</TD><TD>75</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>165</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.237</TD><TD>.271</TD><TD>.529</TD><TD>.800</TD><TD class=s3_2>CHN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2031</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>626</TD><TD>160</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>126</TD><TD>113</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>174</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.256</TD><TD>.298</TD><TD>.609</TD><TD>.907</TD><TD class=s3>CHN,NL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2032</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>643</TD><TD>171</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>149</TD><TD>111</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>161</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.266</TD><TD>.308</TD><TD>.561</TD><TD>.869</TD><TD class=s3_2>CHN,NL BOS</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2033</TD><TD>161</TD><TD>629</TD><TD>138</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>186</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.219</TD><TD>.263</TD><TD>.437</TD><TD>.700</TD><TD class=s3>BOS</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2034</TD><TD>153</TD><TD>587</TD><TD>118</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>146</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.201</TD><TD>.253</TD><TD>.474</TD><TD>.727</TD><TD class=s3_2>ANA</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2035</TD><TD>154</TD><TD>590</TD><TD>155</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>127</TD><TD>91</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>164</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.263</TD><TD>.308</TD><TD>.615</TD><TD>.924</TD><TD class=s3>ANA,AL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2036</TD><TD>155</TD><TD>632</TD><TD>145</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>119</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>182</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.229</TD><TD>.263</TD><TD>.513</TD><TD>.776</TD><TD class=s3_2>SEA,AL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2037</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>626</TD><TD>140</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>125</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>182</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.224</TD><TD>.274</TD><TD>.503</TD><TD>.777</TD><TD class=s3>SEA</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2038</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>632</TD><TD>168</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>86</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>150</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.266</TD><TD>.318</TD><TD>.524</TD><TD>.841</TD><TD class=s3_2>ATL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2039</TD><TD>160</TD><TD>641</TD><TD>222</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>164</TD><TD>127</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>130</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.346</TD><TD>.392</TD><TD>.736</TD><TD>1.128</TD><TD class=s3>ATL,NL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2040</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>645</TD><TD>194</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>134</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>45</TD><TD>152</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.301</TD><TD>.346</TD><TD>.584</TD><TD>.931</TD><TD class=s3_2>ATL,NL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2041</TD><TD>159</TD><TD>618</TD><TD>178</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>121</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>151</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.288</TD><TD>.320</TD><TD>.566</TD><TD>.886</TD><TD class=s3>ATL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2042</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>272</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.272</TD><TD>.313</TD><TD>.482</TD><TD>.794</TD><TD class=s3_2>ATL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2043</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.158</TD><TD>.158</TD><TD>.211</TD><TD>.368</TD><TD class=s3>SEA</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Total</TD><TD>2197</TD><TD>8086</TD><TD>2072</TD><TD>665</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>554</TD><TD>1608</TD><TD>1196</TD><TD>494</TD><TD>2135</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>.256</TD><TD>.299</TD><TD>.548</TD><TD>.848</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> No one probably cares. But I always like sharing odd players. EDIT: Forgot carrer leader boards <TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>AVG 2039 - .346 - 2nd 2040 - .301 - 10th </TD><TD class=s4>OBP 2039 - .392 - 7th </TD><TD class=s4>SLG 2031 - .609 - 1st 2032 - .561 - 2nd 2035 - .615 - 2nd 2036 - .513 - 8th 2039 - .736 - 1st 2040 - .584 - 3rd 2041 - .566 - 6th </TD><TD class=s4>OPS 2031 - .907 - 9th 2035 - .924 - 6th 2039 - 1.128 - 1st 2040 - .931 - 5th </TD><TD class=s4>Hits 2039 - 222 - 1st 2040 - 194 - 1st </TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Doubles 2032 - 49 - 4th 2033 - 46 - 7th 2035 - 52 - 4th 2037 - 60 - 1st 2038 - 55 - 5th 2039 - 63 - 2nd 2040 - 62 - 1st 2041 - 67 - 1st </TD><TD class=s4>Homeruns 2030 - 38 - 8th 2031 - 61 - 1st 2032 - 47 - 2nd 2034 - 40 - 2nd 2035 - 50 - 1st 2036 - 42 - 2nd 2037 - 35 - 3rd 2038 - 36 - 10th 2039 - 61 - 1st 2040 - 39 - 4th 2041 - 35 - 6th </TD><TD class=s4>RBI 2031 - 126 - 4th 2032 - 149 - 1st 2033 - 115 - 3rd 2035 - 127 - 2nd 2036 - 119 - 3rd 2037 - 125 - 1st 2038 - 116 - 3rd 2039 - 164 - 1st 2040 - 134 - 1st 2041 - 121 - 5th </TD><TD class=s4>Runs 2031 - 113 - 4th 2032 - 111 - 4th 2039 - 127 - 1st 2040 - 102 - 7th</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Last edited by rudel.dietrich; 05-05-2005 at 05:50 PM.

05-06-2005, 09:42 AM	#13
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Kingman hit for a significantly lower average than this guy, IIRC, but he walked more. I think Kingman managed an OBP over .300 despite a batting average in the .230s for his career. OOTP used to generate too many guys that were similar to this. Now, thankfully, they are less common, but they still come up from time to time, making them much more interesting. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

05-06-2005, 12:14 PM	#17
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	This player is unlike anyone who's ever played the game in MLB. Rob Deer walked a ton, more than Kingman, and didn't hit many doubles. What's really weird is having that many homers to go with that many doubles, then to have a batting average so low. Almost like what Kingman or Deer would have done in the original Ebbets Field. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

05-06-2005, 12:24 PM	#19
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	One thing I brought up is that, by my observation (admittedly not tested statistically, so open to being disproven), power hitters tend to draw a lot of walks. It's not always true, but it most cases it is. In OOTP, that connection is not there. OOTP seems to crank out guys who hit a lot of homers but don't walk much. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

05-05-2005, 07:16 PM	#3
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	I care! It's neat to see unique players like him. It's also kind of fun to think about how you'd use a guy like that or if you'd try to trade him. I think he'd be a great 5-6 hitter, behind a couple of good all-around hitters who get on base. He's gonna hit a lot of homers and doubles and he won't GIDP much because he's either striking out or getting a hit. I wonder what his career BABIP is?

05-05-2005, 07:21 PM	#4
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Heh I just noticed 2034 68% of his hits went for extra bases

05-05-2005, 07:22 PM	#5
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	damn can i get this guy for TWB?! H'ed be a decent #5 __________________ PT21 PT22

05-05-2005, 07:44 PM	#9
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	That 2039 season jumps out at you, a totally anomalous spike into Albert Pujols territory: high average, loads o' power--followed by a more believable .301 and then a return to mediocre BAs. If it werent for guys like Norm Cash I'd say no way, dude, but it is juuuussst possible that such a season could poke its little head into the decidedly more modest fabric of this guys career. Fun stuff, in any case.

05-05-2005, 08:23 PM	#10
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,345	How EXACTLY did you get the columns to come out that clean? Very important stuff here! TIA.

05-05-2005, 09:37 PM	#12
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	The 37 season is pretty cool too. This guy is a riddle wrapped in an enigma in an anomaly.

05-06-2005, 10:12 AM	#14
BigNastyKrust Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 26	I was thinking more along the lines of Rob Deer.

05-06-2005, 11:08 AM	#15
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Unlike Kingman, this guy hit a lot of doubles.