Lahman DB problems

seadog852 · 10-06-2002, 10:20 PM

When I import position players stats come in and I get ratings.
When I import pitchers, stats don't come in and I have bad ratings.

Why won't the pitchers import?
I'm using 4.5

Steve Kuffrey · 10-06-2002, 10:27 PM

Are you using the lately game update, 4.1? Have you tried using one of the alternative databases? They can work better at times.

jasonditz · 10-07-2002, 02:28 PM

While we're on the subject, did Nolan Ryan really go 185-146 with 187 Svs in 1966?

If so, how did he manage to do so in only 2 games? I mean with an ERA of 0.04 and over 25,000 strikeouts its hard to imagine him being beaten that often.

seadog852 · 10-07-2002, 06:24 PM

i do have the update but don't know where the other db are.

asamford · 10-07-2002, 06:43 PM

yeah, you need to get an updated database. at least ScottVib's that corrects the pitcher's stat import problem. Ankit's is very good also, with a bit more tweaking on defense, and bringing in players and closer to their true life ratings with less development, while Gambo's DB brings players in when they were actually drafted, but I would only suggest Gambo's once you've really gotten the hang of running a historic replay...

Steve Kuffrey · 10-07-2002, 06:54 PM

ScottVib Revised Database:

http://www.tresclub.com/downloads/downloads.htm

Direct Link:

http://www.tresclub.com/downloads/rev45db.zip

Ankit Revised Database:

http://www.ap4e.com/AnkitDB.zip

Gambo Revised Database:

http://www.geocities.com/gambo187/OOTP4.html

Here are the locations of several, just cut and paste them in your browser window and they should work.

seadog852 · 10-07-2002, 07:41 PM

thanks

D Love · 10-14-2002, 12:19 PM

I'm not sure I follow why there are several different DBs. Stats are stats. Outside of adjusting the season in which they first appear, how do you alter DBs to get different results within the game?

Steve Kuffrey · 10-14-2002, 12:29 PM

The various ones have been editted or corrected, etc...had more info added or players with few atbats, etc removed.

Scott Vibert · 10-14-2002, 01:05 PM

To alter the DBs to get different results within the game, you must change the stats of the player/players to be imported.

Of the DBs linked above, the ScottVib one doesn't alter the information other than to sort it properly, and fill in some missing information. Ankits just adjusts the players debut to a season more closely indicating the players potential levels. Gambo's imports players on the year that the player was drafted and does some stuff to try and project the players development properly.

Other databases, such as Ankit's Normalized database, actually change the statistical values for the player to adjust the skills the player imports with, to get different results.

slackmeisterPA · 10-14-2002, 08:45 PM

I'm a bit confused. What exactly is Ankit's Normalized database? What does it do, when used, in game?

Thanks

AngelinOF · 10-15-2002, 12:45 AM

Quote:

While we're on the subject, did Nolan Ryan really go 185-146 with 187 Svs in 1966?

If so, how did he manage to do so in only 2 games? I mean with an ERA of 0.04 and over 25,000 strikeouts its hard to imagine him being beaten that often.

Problem associated with the length of time that Ryan pitched in the majors, he went 27 seasons and the game only allows 25 years of stats to show up on the player card. You also get this problem with Cap Anson who played for 27 seasons.

Steve Kuffrey · 10-15-2002, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slackmeisterPA
I'm a bit confused. What exactly is Ankit's Normalized database? What does it do, when used, in game?

Thanks

I have not used it but I believe that it kinda sets all the players on "level ground" so to speak as if they were all playing in the same era. I could be wrong about that though.

D Love · 10-15-2002, 02:35 PM

But if the stats are changed to normalize ratings, won't the players' historical stats show up in accurately then?

TotalEnd98 · 10-15-2002, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by D Love
But if the stats are changed to normalize ratings, won't the players' historical stats show up in accurately then?

As far as I understand it, that's the point.

The database isn't supposed to be used for historical leagues, just for "all-time" leagues. It adjusts all the players' stats so that you can have Cy Young, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Sandy Koufax, and Ichiro Suzuki all playing in the same league and performing at a normalized level.

D Love · 10-15-2002, 04:50 PM

Ah, that clears it up. And while I'm here, I take it there is no way to import 2002 numbers into the game at this point and time, correct?

TotalEnd98 · 10-15-2002, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by D Love
Ah, that clears it up. And while I'm here, I take it there is no way to import 2002 numbers into the game at this point and time, correct?

Correct.

slackmeisterPA · 10-15-2002, 09:31 PM

Thanks guys. That normalized db sounds interesting. Anyone know where I could pick it up?

TotalEnd98 · 10-15-2002, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slackmeisterPA
Thanks guys. That normalized db sounds interesting. Anyone know where I could pick it up?

http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...threadid=13808

10-06-2002, 10:20 PM	#1
seadog852 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 132	Lahman DB problems When I import position players stats come in and I get ratings. When I import pitchers, stats don't come in and I have bad ratings. Why won't the pitchers import? I'm using 4.5 __________________ Mike Jewell 852BL Commish www.852bl.ootp-leagues.com "Don't sweat the small stuff."

10-06-2002, 10:27 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Are you using the lately game update, 4.1? Have you tried using one of the alternative databases? They can work better at times. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

10-07-2002, 06:24 PM	#4
seadog852 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 132	i do have the update but don't know where the other db are. __________________ Mike Jewell 852BL Commish www.852bl.ootp-leagues.com "Don't sweat the small stuff."

10-07-2002, 06:54 PM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	ScottVib Revised Database: http://www.tresclub.com/downloads/downloads.htm Direct Link: http://www.tresclub.com/downloads/rev45db.zip Ankit Revised Database: http://www.ap4e.com/AnkitDB.zip Gambo Revised Database: http://www.geocities.com/gambo187/OOTP4.html Here are the locations of several, just cut and paste them in your browser window and they should work. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

10-07-2002, 07:41 PM	#7
seadog852 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 132	thanks __________________ Mike Jewell 852BL Commish www.852bl.ootp-leagues.com "Don't sweat the small stuff."

10-07-2002, 02:28 PM	#3
jasonditz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 121	While we're on the subject, did Nolan Ryan really go 185-146 with 187 Svs in 1966? If so, how did he manage to do so in only 2 games? I mean with an ERA of 0.04 and over 25,000 strikeouts its hard to imagine him being beaten that often.

10-07-2002, 06:43 PM	#5
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	yeah, you need to get an updated database. at least ScottVib's that corrects the pitcher's stat import problem. Ankit's is very good also, with a bit more tweaking on defense, and bringing in players and closer to their true life ratings with less development, while Gambo's DB brings players in when they were actually drafted, but I would only suggest Gambo's once you've really gotten the hang of running a historic replay...

10-14-2002, 12:19 PM	#8
D Love All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 904	Different DBs? I'm not sure I follow why there are several different DBs. Stats are stats. Outside of adjusting the season in which they first appear, how do you alter DBs to get different results within the game?

10-14-2002, 12:29 PM	#9
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	The various ones have been editted or corrected, etc...had more info added or players with few atbats, etc removed. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

10-14-2002, 01:05 PM	#10
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,266	To alter the DBs to get different results within the game, you must change the stats of the player/players to be imported. Of the DBs linked above, the ScottVib one doesn't alter the information other than to sort it properly, and fill in some missing information. Ankits just adjusts the players debut to a season more closely indicating the players potential levels. Gambo's imports players on the year that the player was drafted and does some stuff to try and project the players development properly. Other databases, such as Ankit's Normalized database, actually change the statistical values for the player to adjust the skills the player imports with, to get different results.

10-14-2002, 08:45 PM	#11
slackmeisterPA Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 275	I'm a bit confused. What exactly is Ankit's Normalized database? What does it do, when used, in game? Thanks

10-15-2002, 02:35 PM	#14
D Love All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 904	Normalized DB But if the stats are changed to normalize ratings, won't the players' historical stats show up in accurately then?

10-15-2002, 04:50 PM	#16
D Love All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 904	Gotcha Ah, that clears it up. And while I'm here, I take it there is no way to import 2002 numbers into the game at this point and time, correct?

10-15-2002, 09:31 PM	#18
slackmeisterPA Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 275	Thanks guys. That normalized db sounds interesting. Anyone know where I could pick it up?