Best of league

Mike D · 01-11-2002, 06:53 PM

We fellow fellow baseball lovers, I do have a question. I'm thinking of doing a league that has the best 32 teams of all time in it. I'm not sure if it's already been done, but I am curious if anyone has suggestions on what 32 teams to include. Thanks for anyone who submits....

General Mike · 01-11-2002, 07:37 PM

Definitely the 1986 New York Metropolitans

blueturf · 01-11-2002, 07:45 PM

Check out MLB.com, They just finished up a SimSeries that had a 64 team bracket of all-time best teams.
The 1927 Yankees beat the 1975 Reds in a great finale.

<a href="http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/simseries/mlb_simseries_index.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/simseries/mlb_simseries_index.jsp</a>

hellfrozeover · 01-11-2002, 08:59 PM

1906 Chicago Cubs....best record ever....116-36.

Mike D · 01-11-2002, 10:00 PM

their tournament included the Devil Rays.... I'm talking a league with a 162 games. No crappy teams, if they ain't good, they ain't playing.

AngelinOF · 01-11-2002, 10:12 PM

I think alot depends on what sort of guidelines you want to follow. Do you want every franchise represented or just the 32 'greatest teams'. My suggestion would be to represent 28 teams (exclude Arizona and Tampa Bay since they are only 4 years old, although the 2001 Arizona team could probably be substituted for the Colorado franchise) and also pick 4 wildcard teams to represent defunct franchises (1924 Senators, 1944 Browns, etc.)

Some teams that I would probably include would be:
1927 Yankees; 75 or 76 Reds; 1931 A's; 1954 Indians; 1942-44 Cardinals; 1909 Pirates; 1957 Braves; 1984 Tigers; 1986 Mets; 1963 Dodgers; 1918 Red Sox; 92 or 93 Blue Jays; 1980 Phillies

Mike D · 01-11-2002, 11:29 PM

Just the best 32 teams... I'm not looking to include one of every franchise... Just the ones to be percieved as the best

Highlander · 01-12-2002, 04:12 AM

Any list you do without worrying about what franchise they come from will be very heavy on Yankees-not that I mind that, as a Yankee fan!! Here is a possible list-

1906 Cubs, 1912 Giants, 1927 Yankees, 1929 Athletics, 1931 Athletics, 1932 Yankees, 1935 Cubs, 1936 Yankees, 1937 Yankees, 1939 Yankees, 1941 Dodgers, 1942 Yankees, 1942 Cardinals, 1944 Cardinals, 1954 Indians, 1970 Orioles, 1971 Orioles, 1974 Dodgers, 1975 Reds, 1984 Tigers, 1986 Mets, 1988 Mets, 1995 Indians, 1998 Yankees, 2001 Mariners

Well, that's only 25 teams, and some did not win the Series, so if that is what you are looking for, it may not work. However, they are all teams that won 100 games, led the league in runs scored, and gave up the fewest runs in the league. There are exceptions to that as well- the 54 Indians and 75 Reds did not do that, but I don't think anyone will argue with those teams. Other teams that should be represented include a Braves team from the 90's, Yankees from late 40's to early 50's, Dodgers in the 60's, and a few others.

Hope this helps!!

blubbla · 01-12-2002, 04:30 AM

I'd add the 68 Tigers and 77 Yankees to the list of teams already mentioned to consider.

edit- the 17 White Sox as well (or the 19 Black Sox, as the scandalous team may have been a shade better)

[ January 12, 2002: Message edited by: blubbla ]</p>

crackpott · 01-12-2002, 05:18 AM

the '93 Jays really need to be considered... Didn't they have the top 3 leaders in batting average that year? Man, it's all gone downhill since then...

BillyBuck · 01-12-2002, 05:31 AM

Just be sure if you use the '86 Mets (God Love 'Em) that you use the '86 Red Sox too so poor BillyBuck gets a chance to redeem himself.

Of course, if Bill Buckner's life is anything like MINE, it would all turn out like Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day"...

DodgerGM · 01-12-2002, 06:39 AM

I'd add the 1911 A's, the 1954-1955 Dodgers, the 1972-1974 A's, the 1961 Yankees. A case could be made for the 1915-1918 Red Sox, the Early 20's Giants, the 1988-1990 BashBrothers A's, The '03 Pirates, 1967 Cardinals, 1934 Tigers, and the infamous 1917-1919 "Black Sox", who, despite having 8 players involved in a game fixing scandal, were quite good.

I listed multiple years for some of those teams because they were dynasty type teams who were good for a few years at a time. I'd take a closer look and pick the year that looks best out of the ones I've listed for those teams.

I did do this once before many years ago before this SIM came out, using some Sierra baseball game- FPS I think? It was a while ago. I never got to finish everything before the game crashed and wiped everything out. Totally disgusted after months of research and entering data by hand, I never bothered to do it again, though with the ease of importing whole teams from the database, it's something I'm considering doing again.

Have fun and post some results!

Mike D · 01-12-2002, 06:46 AM

Thanks every one, I will set up a dedicated wedsite, and post standing and league leaders there when I'm ready to fly. And I know there are prolly going to be a few Yankee teams, I'm going to try and linit it to just a few... Thanks to all who posted..

DodgerGM · 01-12-2002, 07:06 AM

If you're limiting the Yankees teams, the ones you really need are 1927, 1939, 1998. Maybe 1961, 1977-78. Just my $.02. Sounds great- can't wait to see the site!

Oh- and a few more that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet- 1962 Giants, 1934 Cards, 1995 Indians...

Mike D · 01-12-2002, 08:19 AM

here's what I have so far last chance to add more teams.....
86 Mets, 88 Mets, 06 Cubs, 33 Cubs, 27 Yankees, 98 Yankees, 61 Yankees, 75 Reds, 31 A's, 29 A's, 11 A's, 88 A's, 54 Indians, 95 Indians, 09 Pirates, 57 Braves, 91 Braves, 84 Tigers, 68 Tigers, 69 Mets, 34 Tigers, 63 Dodgers, 41 Doders, 74 Dodgers, 55 Dodgers, 18 Red Sox, 86 Red Sox, 15 Red Sox, 93 Blue Jays, 80 Phillies, 12 Giants, 62 Giants, 42 Cardinals, 67 Cardinals, 34 Cardinals, 70 Orioles, 83 Orioles, 2001 Mariners, 19 White Sox, 59 White Sox, 17 White Sox.....

Now, this is not the final list, so here's the last chance to add teams for my consideration. Once the teams are final, I'll Post a division list and League list... The Leagues and Divisions wil be based on a lottery, so that way no one can say I'm screwing a certain franchise. So, if you don't see your favorite team, you still have a couple of days to add teams. Thanks guys for all your help.

DodgerGM · 01-12-2002, 12:44 PM

Well, not that the Yankees need more teams, but you really should put the 1939 team in there- some writers think they're better than the 1927 team. 106-45, and won their 4th straight WS title. Won 99,102 and 102 in the previous seasons-that's dominance...

WWBL Commissioner · 01-12-2002, 02:32 PM

How about the 1990 Cincinnati Reds? They led their division wire to wire, had one of the best bullpens in MLB and beat the crap out of a heavily favored Oakland team

Killebrew · 01-12-2002, 03:13 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Mike D:
<strong>here's what I have so far last chance to add more teams.....
86 Mets, 88 Mets, 06 Cubs, 33 Cubs, 27 Yankees, 98 Yankees, 61 Yankees, 75 Reds, 31 A's, 29 A's, 11 A's, 88 A's, 54 Indians, 95 Indians, 09 Pirates, 57 Braves, 91 Braves, 84 Tigers, 68 Tigers, 69 Mets, 34 Tigers, 63 Dodgers, 41 Doders, 74 Dodgers, 55 Dodgers, 18 Red Sox, 86 Red Sox, 15 Red Sox, 93 Blue Jays, 80 Phillies, 12 Giants, 62 Giants, 42 Cardinals, 67 Cardinals, 34 Cardinals, 70 Orioles, 83 Orioles, 2001 Mariners, 19 White Sox, 59 White Sox, 17 White Sox.....
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Solid list & a great idea. I'd like to put in 2 of my fave teams for consideration - the 65' Twins (102 game winners lost to the Koufax-led Dodgers in the WS) and the '77 KC Royals (also 102 game winners - lost to the Yanks in the 9th inning of the deciding ALCS game).

Rob Hill · 01-12-2002, 05:44 PM

[quote]Solid list & a great idea. I'd like to put in 2 of my fave teams for consideration - the 65' Twins (102 game winners lost to the Koufax-led Dodgers in the WS) and the '77 KC Royals (also 102 game winners - lost to the Yanks in the 9th inning of the deciding ALCS game.<hr></blockquote>

You beat me to the punch about the 77 Royals, Killer!

Rob

Modern Relic · 01-12-2002, 06:13 PM

Just curious. Why the '33 Cubs? They didn't even win the NL that year. Or did you mean '32?

01-11-2002, 06:53 PM	#1
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Best of league We fellow fellow baseball lovers, I do have a question. I'm thinking of doing a league that has the best 32 teams of all time in it. I'm not sure if it's already been done, but I am curious if anyone has suggestions on what 32 teams to include. Thanks for anyone who submits.... __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

01-11-2002, 07:37 PM	#2
General Mike Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerset, NJ Posts: 255	Definitely the 1986 New York Metropolitans __________________ ACL - Houston Astros SHIBA - Los Angeles Dodgers [url=http://baseball.slammedia.net]BL2[/url - New York Mets BTTF - Florida Marlins

01-11-2002, 07:45 PM	#3
blueturf All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 516	Check out MLB.com, They just finished up a SimSeries that had a 64 team bracket of all-time best teams. The 1927 Yankees beat the 1975 Reds in a great finale. <a href="http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/simseries/mlb_simseries_index.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/simseries/mlb_simseries_index.jsp</a> __________________ Kalama - Fictional World Quick Start with jerseys, logos and map - Photobucket of my fictional stadiums - Stadium thread

01-11-2002, 08:59 PM	#4
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	1906 Chicago Cubs....best record ever....116-36. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

01-11-2002, 10:00 PM	#5
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	their tournament included the Devil Rays.... I'm talking a league with a 162 games. No crappy teams, if they ain't good, they ain't playing. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

01-11-2002, 10:12 PM	#6
AngelinOF All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,353	I think alot depends on what sort of guidelines you want to follow. Do you want every franchise represented or just the 32 'greatest teams'. My suggestion would be to represent 28 teams (exclude Arizona and Tampa Bay since they are only 4 years old, although the 2001 Arizona team could probably be substituted for the Colorado franchise) and also pick 4 wildcard teams to represent defunct franchises (1924 Senators, 1944 Browns, etc.) Some teams that I would probably include would be: 1927 Yankees; 75 or 76 Reds; 1931 A's; 1954 Indians; 1942-44 Cardinals; 1909 Pirates; 1957 Braves; 1984 Tigers; 1986 Mets; 1963 Dodgers; 1918 Red Sox; 92 or 93 Blue Jays; 1980 Phillies

01-11-2002, 11:29 PM	#7
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Just the best 32 teams... I'm not looking to include one of every franchise... Just the ones to be percieved as the best __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

01-12-2002, 04:12 AM	#8
Highlander All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,031	Any list you do without worrying about what franchise they come from will be very heavy on Yankees-not that I mind that, as a Yankee fan!! Here is a possible list- 1906 Cubs, 1912 Giants, 1927 Yankees, 1929 Athletics, 1931 Athletics, 1932 Yankees, 1935 Cubs, 1936 Yankees, 1937 Yankees, 1939 Yankees, 1941 Dodgers, 1942 Yankees, 1942 Cardinals, 1944 Cardinals, 1954 Indians, 1970 Orioles, 1971 Orioles, 1974 Dodgers, 1975 Reds, 1984 Tigers, 1986 Mets, 1988 Mets, 1995 Indians, 1998 Yankees, 2001 Mariners Well, that's only 25 teams, and some did not win the Series, so if that is what you are looking for, it may not work. However, they are all teams that won 100 games, led the league in runs scored, and gave up the fewest runs in the league. There are exceptions to that as well- the 54 Indians and 75 Reds did not do that, but I don't think anyone will argue with those teams. Other teams that should be represented include a Braves team from the 90's, Yankees from late 40's to early 50's, Dodgers in the 60's, and a few others. Hope this helps!! __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

01-12-2002, 04:30 AM	#9
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,460	I'd add the 68 Tigers and 77 Yankees to the list of teams already mentioned to consider. edit- the 17 White Sox as well (or the 19 Black Sox, as the scandalous team may have been a shade better) [ January 12, 2002: Message edited by: blubbla ]</p>

01-12-2002, 05:18 AM	#10
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	the '93 Jays really need to be considered... Didn't they have the top 3 leaders in batting average that year? Man, it's all gone downhill since then... __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

01-12-2002, 05:31 AM	#11
BillyBuck Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: KC, MO Posts: 436	Just be sure if you use the '86 Mets (God Love 'Em) that you use the '86 Red Sox too so poor BillyBuck gets a chance to redeem himself. Of course, if Bill Buckner's life is anything like MINE, it would all turn out like Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day"... __________________ Kansas City Crows - FEBL Champions 2006 and 2007 Oslo Mountain Dawgs - WBL Champions 2004 and 2005

01-12-2002, 06:39 AM	#12
DodgerGM Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15	I'd add the 1911 A's, the 1954-1955 Dodgers, the 1972-1974 A's, the 1961 Yankees. A case could be made for the 1915-1918 Red Sox, the Early 20's Giants, the 1988-1990 BashBrothers A's, The '03 Pirates, 1967 Cardinals, 1934 Tigers, and the infamous 1917-1919 "Black Sox", who, despite having 8 players involved in a game fixing scandal, were quite good. I listed multiple years for some of those teams because they were dynasty type teams who were good for a few years at a time. I'd take a closer look and pick the year that looks best out of the ones I've listed for those teams. I did do this once before many years ago before this SIM came out, using some Sierra baseball game- FPS I think? It was a while ago. I never got to finish everything before the game crashed and wiped everything out. Totally disgusted after months of research and entering data by hand, I never bothered to do it again, though with the ease of importing whole teams from the database, it's something I'm considering doing again. Have fun and post some results!

01-12-2002, 06:46 AM	#13
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Thanks every one, I will set up a dedicated wedsite, and post standing and league leaders there when I'm ready to fly. And I know there are prolly going to be a few Yankee teams, I'm going to try and linit it to just a few... Thanks to all who posted.. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

01-12-2002, 07:06 AM	#14
DodgerGM Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15	If you're limiting the Yankees teams, the ones you really need are 1927, 1939, 1998. Maybe 1961, 1977-78. Just my $.02. Sounds great- can't wait to see the site! Oh- and a few more that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet- 1962 Giants, 1934 Cards, 1995 Indians...

01-12-2002, 08:19 AM	#15
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	here's what I have so far last chance to add more teams..... 86 Mets, 88 Mets, 06 Cubs, 33 Cubs, 27 Yankees, 98 Yankees, 61 Yankees, 75 Reds, 31 A's, 29 A's, 11 A's, 88 A's, 54 Indians, 95 Indians, 09 Pirates, 57 Braves, 91 Braves, 84 Tigers, 68 Tigers, 69 Mets, 34 Tigers, 63 Dodgers, 41 Doders, 74 Dodgers, 55 Dodgers, 18 Red Sox, 86 Red Sox, 15 Red Sox, 93 Blue Jays, 80 Phillies, 12 Giants, 62 Giants, 42 Cardinals, 67 Cardinals, 34 Cardinals, 70 Orioles, 83 Orioles, 2001 Mariners, 19 White Sox, 59 White Sox, 17 White Sox..... Now, this is not the final list, so here's the last chance to add teams for my consideration. Once the teams are final, I'll Post a division list and League list... The Leagues and Divisions wil be based on a lottery, so that way no one can say I'm screwing a certain franchise. So, if you don't see your favorite team, you still have a couple of days to add teams. Thanks guys for all your help. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

01-12-2002, 12:44 PM	#16
DodgerGM Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15	Well, not that the Yankees need more teams, but you really should put the 1939 team in there- some writers think they're better than the 1927 team. 106-45, and won their 4th straight WS title. Won 99,102 and 102 in the previous seasons-that's dominance...

01-12-2002, 02:32 PM	#17
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01-12-2002, 03:13 PM	#18
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	[quote]Originally posted by Mike D: <strong>here's what I have so far last chance to add more teams..... 86 Mets, 88 Mets, 06 Cubs, 33 Cubs, 27 Yankees, 98 Yankees, 61 Yankees, 75 Reds, 31 A's, 29 A's, 11 A's, 88 A's, 54 Indians, 95 Indians, 09 Pirates, 57 Braves, 91 Braves, 84 Tigers, 68 Tigers, 69 Mets, 34 Tigers, 63 Dodgers, 41 Doders, 74 Dodgers, 55 Dodgers, 18 Red Sox, 86 Red Sox, 15 Red Sox, 93 Blue Jays, 80 Phillies, 12 Giants, 62 Giants, 42 Cardinals, 67 Cardinals, 34 Cardinals, 70 Orioles, 83 Orioles, 2001 Mariners, 19 White Sox, 59 White Sox, 17 White Sox..... </strong><hr></blockquote> Solid list & a great idea. I'd like to put in 2 of my fave teams for consideration - the 65' Twins (102 game winners lost to the Koufax-led Dodgers in the WS) and the '77 KC Royals (also 102 game winners - lost to the Yanks in the 9th inning of the deciding ALCS game). __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

01-12-2002, 05:44 PM	#19
Rob Hill Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 47	[quote]Solid list & a great idea. I'd like to put in 2 of my fave teams for consideration - the 65' Twins (102 game winners lost to the Koufax-led Dodgers in the WS) and the '77 KC Royals (also 102 game winners - lost to the Yanks in the 9th inning of the deciding ALCS game.<hr></blockquote> You beat me to the punch about the 77 Royals, Killer! Rob

01-12-2002, 06:13 PM	#20
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,266	Just curious. Why the '33 Cubs? They didn't even win the NL that year. Or did you mean '32? __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby