Me, Myself, and I or the 05' Indians thread! - Page 3

Daddy Warbuk$ · 04-08-2005, 09:25 AM

I am pretty satisfied with our bullpen (minus Dickman)

Rhodes seems to think it's 95 all over again.

Lee is scary.

The bats came alive, about time!

Anybody else think Rhodes might get a shot to close if Wickman faulters?

And what the hell was Guillen thinking? Leaving Vizcaino out there for 60 pitches? He better learn how to manage a bullpen!

Uribe is a douchebag.

KurtBevacqua · 04-08-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

I am pretty satisfied with our bullpen (minus Dickman)

Rhodes seems to think it's 95 all over again.

Lee is scary.

The bats came alive, about time!

Anybody else think Rhodes might get a shot to close if Wickman faulters?

And what the hell was Guillen thinking? Leaving Vizcaino out there for 60 pitches? He better learn how to manage a bullpen!

Uribe is a douchebag.

Rhodes got messed up trying to close last year. He's great as the lefty specialist, but I wouldn't want to hang closer on him. Betencourt looks good for it, but bombed trying it last year too. Long term I think Davis is the best bet, but he's not ready for the role now. He needs a year as the main setup man before we can be sure he can handle a shot at it.

Personally I think closer is way overrated, then you see how hard it's been for Cleveland to settle it. I probably dis on the role too much because clearly it takes a certain kind of guy to do it. Riske looks like closer material right up until you hand him the ball in the 9th. Some guys just can't handle the situation regardless of their skills.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 04-08-2005, 11:56 AM

Agreed, but Rhodes seems to have a different motivation this year, now he's not the end all be all, but if he continues to hit 95+ on the gun, he's as good as we got in terms of stuff out of the pen.

Dauis · 04-08-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

And what the hell was Guillen thinking? Leaving Vizcaino out there for 60 pitches? He better learn how to manage a bullpen!

Ozzie put himself in that situation. He used up everyone in his bullpen, so he had to hope Vizcaino would get through it. When the game was still in doubt, he had Jon Garland, the scheduled starter for Saturday, warming up in the pen. Once the game was out of reach though, Vizcaino was just taking one for the team.

Disappointing way to end the series for this Sox fan, but an opening series win against a team a lot of people are picking to win the division or at least seriously contend for the division is fine with me.

Green & Gold Heart · 04-08-2005, 02:21 PM

Rhodes could succeed in the 9th if the matchups are right. That was the problem last year - he couldn't just be the closer. I agree that the closer role is overrated. A lot of times you can just go with your best matchups and be fine. Who cares if one guy doesn't rack up all the saves?

KurtBevacqua · 04-08-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Rhodes could succeed in the 9th if the matchups are right. That was the problem last year - he couldn't just be the closer. I agree that the closer role is overrated. A lot of times you can just go with your best matchups and be fine. Who cares if one guy doesn't rack up all the saves?

My philosophy I game with is right man at the right time. If the other team is rallying in the 7th, put your best reliever in then to kill the rally. A rally facing you in the 7th is reality you have the means to deal with there and then, anticipating a rally in the 9th is speculative at best. Use your best to deal with what is the known, true threat, not what might be a threat later on.

Mike Donlin · 04-11-2005, 10:53 AM

Nice win yesterday. Wickman closed.

KurtBevacqua · 04-11-2005, 11:11 AM

Reading in the Plain Dealer and Beacon Journal this morning sounds like they still don't know what to do with Davis. Sabathia is supposed to start Sunday so Davis is not in the rotation for the next week, but they are speculating he might go down to Buffalo to stay sharp as a starter "just in case." If the plan is to groom this guy to eventually replace Wickman then stop dorking around with him as a starter and get him in the right mindset to relieve. He's giving it his best shot but it's gotta be rough not knowing your role from day to day.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 04-11-2005, 12:47 PM

.500 on the first road trip (not bad)
Davis pitched well (not bad)'

Home Opener! PRICELESS!!!

Anybody else going? I'm leaving work in 15!

Mike Donlin · 04-11-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

.500 on the first road trip (not bad)
Davis pitched well (not bad)'

Home Opener! PRICELESS!!!

Anybody else going? I'm leaving work in 15!

Tough loss.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 04-12-2005, 08:49 AM

Argh,

And I always thought you got the calls at home, check swing, my ass.

K.M. is looking pretty darn good though.

Where are our bats? (I'm looking at you, Martinez)

KurtBevacqua · 04-12-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

Argh,

And I always thought you got the calls at home, check swing, my ass.

K.M. is looking pretty darn good though.

Where are our bats? (I'm looking at you, Martinez)

I think it might just be a case of the Chisox pitchers (Buerhle and Garcia) being hot more than anything else. Those are 2 quality pitchers capable of shutting anyone down on any given day. I'm more excited to see Millwood looking good than I am dissappointed in the offense. Going into the season one of the keys for us to contend was Millwood winning 12-15 games, and assuming he stays healthy that shouldn't be a problem. There's too much talent in the lineup for them not to hit. And the bullpen seems to have recovered from last week's blowup. All the key indicators to a good year are buzzing right along. I like how things are coming along.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 04-12-2005, 10:34 AM

Agreed,

The bats will come around, but it just seems as if we are back to the 1990's again, everybody swinging for the fences (reference the game yesterday) instead of taking doubles.

Murray needs to get in their sh*t like roto-rooter.

KurtBevacqua · 04-13-2005, 04:50 PM

First Martinez, now Hafner gets his $. Looks like the Indians get him with a pretty cheap option year too. This looks like a great deal for them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2036460

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CLEVELAND -- Travis Hafner signed a $7 million, three-year contract with the Indians on Wednesday, the second Cleveland player given a longterm deal since the start of the season.

Hafner, whose agreement could be worth $11.5 million over four seasons, hit .311 last year with 28 homers and 109 RBI as the team's designated hitter.

He gets $500,000 this season, $2.5 million next year and $3.75 million in 2007. Cleveland has a $4.75 million option for 2008 with a $250,000 buyout.

Cleveland signed catcher Victor Martinez to a $15.5 million, five-year contract last week, a deal that could be worth up $22.25 million over six seasons. Martinez hit .283 with 23 homers and 108 RBI last season and was picked for the AL All-Star team.

Hafner originally agreed to a one-year contract that called for a salary at an annual rate of $377,400 while in the major leagues and $253,100 while in the minors

Daddy Warbuk$ · 04-14-2005, 09:23 AM

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they signed Pronk, but was locking up a DH the best move for the Tribe?
Would that not be the easiest posistion to replace?

But it was a good deal for the Tribe!

KurtBevacqua · 04-14-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they signed Pronk, but was locking up a DH the best move for the Tribe?
Would that not be the easiest posistion to replace?

But it was a good deal for the Tribe!

Era of big offense aside, a big bat is still a big bat. Everything I read ranks Pronk as the #2 DH behind Ortiz. I don't think you can replace the second best at any position that easily, and it's only a 3 year deal with a 4th year team option, which IMO gives them decent length but good flexibility too. I think it's the perfect deal from a management perspective.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 04-18-2005, 11:31 AM

Went to the game yesterday, my report

Rained like hell through the 3rd inning, then a perfect day for baseball (only in Cleveland)

C.C. look pretty good through 5

We can't hit and it's getting re-god damn-diculous

What a way to win, Romero plunks pronk to force in the run, but I'll take it.

Bullpen is loose

New bar in right center is awesome, great venue for the game.

Bobbuttons · 04-22-2005, 11:24 PM

Alright! Now we can see the Indians blow another 5-0 lead!

Bobbuttons · 05-05-2005, 12:32 AM

What do ya know? The Tribe has a chance tomorrow afternoon for their first 3 game winning streak of the year!

Grady Sizemore · 05-18-2005, 07:43 PM

not that it matters to anyone, but we are doing pretty well, all things considered this year edit: its still early

04-11-2005, 11:11 AM	#48
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Reading in the Plain Dealer and Beacon Journal this morning sounds like they still don't know what to do with Davis. Sabathia is supposed to start Sunday so Davis is not in the rotation for the next week, but they are speculating he might go down to Buffalo to stay sharp as a starter "just in case." If the plan is to groom this guy to eventually replace Wickman then stop dorking around with him as a starter and get him in the right mindset to relieve. He's giving it his best shot but it's gotta be rough not knowing your role from day to day. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

04-22-2005, 11:24 PM	#58
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	Alright! Now we can see the Indians blow another 5-0 lead! __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

05-05-2005, 12:32 AM	#59
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	What do ya know? The Tribe has a chance tomorrow afternoon for their first 3 game winning streak of the year! __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

05-18-2005, 07:43 PM	#60
Grady Sizemore Bat Boy Join Date: May 2005 Location: cleavland of course Posts: 1	not that it matters to anyone, but we are doing pretty well, all things considered this year edit: its still early __________________ i play baseball for the indians Last edited by Grady Sizemore; 05-18-2005 at 07:45 PM.

04-08-2005, 09:25 AM	#41
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	I am pretty satisfied with our bullpen (minus Dickman) Rhodes seems to think it's 95 all over again. Lee is scary. The bats came alive, about time! Anybody else think Rhodes might get a shot to close if Wickman faulters? And what the hell was Guillen thinking? Leaving Vizcaino out there for 60 pitches? He better learn how to manage a bullpen! Uribe is a douchebag.

04-08-2005, 11:56 AM	#43
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Agreed, but Rhodes seems to have a different motivation this year, now he's not the end all be all, but if he continues to hit 95+ on the gun, he's as good as we got in terms of stuff out of the pen.

04-08-2005, 02:21 PM	#45
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Rhodes could succeed in the 9th if the matchups are right. That was the problem last year - he couldn't just be the closer. I agree that the closer role is overrated. A lot of times you can just go with your best matchups and be fine. Who cares if one guy doesn't rack up all the saves?

04-11-2005, 10:53 AM	#47
Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Life, friends, is boring. Posts: 840	Nice win yesterday. Wickman closed.

04-11-2005, 12:47 PM	#49
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	.500 on the first road trip (not bad) Davis pitched well (not bad)' Home Opener! PRICELESS!!! Anybody else going? I'm leaving work in 15!

04-12-2005, 08:49 AM	#51
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Argh, And I always thought you got the calls at home, check swing, my ass. K.M. is looking pretty darn good though. Where are our bats? (I'm looking at you, Martinez)

04-12-2005, 10:34 AM	#53
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Agreed, The bats will come around, but it just seems as if we are back to the 1990's again, everybody swinging for the fences (reference the game yesterday) instead of taking doubles. Murray needs to get in their sh*t like roto-rooter.

04-14-2005, 09:23 AM	#55
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they signed Pronk, but was locking up a DH the best move for the Tribe? Would that not be the easiest posistion to replace? But it was a good deal for the Tribe!

04-18-2005, 11:31 AM	#57
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Went to the game yesterday, my report Rained like hell through the 3rd inning, then a perfect day for baseball (only in Cleveland) C.C. look pretty good through 5 We can't hit and it's getting re-god damn-diculous What a way to win, Romero plunks pronk to force in the run, but I'll take it. Bullpen is loose New bar in right center is awesome, great venue for the game.