The new Bowe

IceTea · 04-07-2005, 09:32 PM

He looks like a big piece of crap! He is no better than a titlebout 2 rating.

MJ

IceTea · 04-07-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

He looks like a big piece of crap! He is no better than a titlebout 2 rating.

MJ

Bowe gets a split win on the best darn sports show.......he really didn't look good at all. His legs are still dead.

MJ

GDE · 04-07-2005, 11:10 PM

Bowe easily won the fight 96-92 if you actually watched the fight.

He will need to fight another 2 fights of this caliber though before stepping up any.

IceTea · 04-07-2005, 11:33 PM

He didn't win easily by the way. One judge gave the other guy the fight by a similar score. Every time Bowe was hit with a good punch he backed up into the ropes which is a bad sign if he fights a top 100 guy. He looked like crap, both fitness wise and the way he faught. He stands NO chance against anyone in the top 50.

MJ

jaylosch · 04-07-2005, 11:58 PM

His jab was connecting, everything else looked BAD

IceTea · 04-08-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jaylosch

His jab was connecting, everything else looked BAD

Yeah, the jab did work.

MJ

hamed · 04-08-2005, 09:18 AM

I saw that he weighed 260 something back in September & weighed 280 last night! You have to wonder how serious he is if he's "coming back" & gains about 20 pounds between fights?

GDE · 04-08-2005, 04:25 PM

I didn't say he looked great, just that he easily won the fight 96-92.

Just because some idiot scored the fight 95-93 for Billy Z doesn't mean that was the correct scroing of the fight.

I mean Billy Z was knocked down once and had a point taken away once.

Aside from the round he ROCKED Bowe he won two other rounds. The other 7 rounds he rarely connected with punches(I don't count hitting Bowe's gloves as a scoring punch) and most of the ones he threw were in the last 10 seconds of each round.

Bowe's jab won him the fight.

Bowe needs to train more than 3 weeks with 1 week of sparring.

Bowe need to fight someone equal or less in talent than Billy Z. Most likely for the next 2 fights.

If Bowe doesn't show improvement with the Right Hand, he should give it up.

Lee · 04-08-2005, 05:54 PM

I had 6 rounds to 4 for Bowe, but two of them were 2 point rounds due to the knockdown and Point deduction. Give Billy Z credit, he took the fight to Bowe on occasion, but could not figure out how to take advantage of what was basically a one dimensional (Jab) Fighter in front of him. The next tier up should have no problem handling Bowe unless he can get the rest of his attack to flow off of what is still a pretty damn good Jab. I think if Billy Z had been able to better slip Bowes jab and step in as he did so working body to head it may have been a different result. Much easier to say than do though.

vistaman44 · 04-08-2005, 06:48 PM

I had it 5-4-1 for Bowe, and taking into consideration the knockdown and point deduction, the scores of the two seemed about right. Bowe landed jabs, but was seriously outhustled and outworked. I realize Zumbrun's punches weren't doing any serious damage, but he was throwing more (and landing more in the first few rounds). Hard to believe the journeyman was the aggressor ... and came off as more impressive, despite not winning.

vistaman44 · 04-08-2005, 06:56 PM

Is the division and the boxing public so desperate for a star that it will let a fat former champ dictate that he "will not lose weight" for anything but a "championship level" opponent? Riddick needs a little attitude adjustment. Maybe we should shout for a top (what passes for one today) opponent to take him on so he can get his slow, fat •?# whipped. What is the man thinking, coming in at 280? Pride usually goeth before a butt-kicking ...

GDE · 04-08-2005, 08:48 PM

I don't want to see Bowe against good competition. Not yet.

I was impressed by two things from Bowe.

1. His JAB.
2. The fact he looked to handle the 10 rounds as well as Billy Z did.

I expected Bowe to only be sucking wind after 6. Evidently those JAB's were carrying some power behind them.

He should only throw right-hands for the next week of training. He must lose weight if he wants to continue this comeback.

At least it was on cable TV and not PPV.

Cap · 04-08-2005, 11:17 PM

Let's see Bone in there with David Tua. Tua will whip Bowl's arse, and I haven't even see Bog fight yet for real. This is a top attraction? What's happened to the heavyweight division? Hardly a single heavy in the top 50 under 30 years of age? A bunch of talentless lard-buckets shoving each other around the ring...when they can catch their breath.

Cap

Lee · 04-09-2005, 10:10 AM

Agreed Tua would absolutely smoke Bowe right now....Lets hope that some of the young guys that are out there, like Samual Peter turn out to be the real deal.

CONN CHRIS · 04-09-2005, 10:41 AM

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Agreed Tua would absolutely smoke Bowe right now....Lets hope that some of the young guys that are out there, like Samual Peter turn out to be the real deal.

Unfortunately, there's realy only two young guys out there. Peter and Koc. I still haven't had the chance to watch Koc, so I would be interested to hear what his skills look like.

Night2000 · 04-10-2005, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee

Agreed Tua would absolutely smoke Bowe right now....Lets hope that some of the young guys that are out there, like Samual Peter turn out to be the real deal.

Samuel Peter has the tools to go to the top.

IceTea · 04-10-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Night2000

Samuel Peter has the tools to go to the top.

I think he is too slow and stiff.

MJ

Mr Big · 04-11-2005, 05:52 PM

I think that Bowe should fight Tyson. Loser retires. For good.

Jim_Kidd · 04-11-2005, 06:47 PM

Did anyone hear an interview with Bowe after the fight? I was curious how his speech sounded? I didn't see the fight, just clips on ESPN. From what I saw, it seemed like he took some punishment over the 10 rounds.

Jim

Night2000 · 04-12-2005, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

I think he is too slow and stiff.

MJ

True he's not speedy, but he seems to have a good chin. Which will take you further, then speed and a weak chin.

04-07-2005, 09:32 PM	#1
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	The new Bowe He looks like a big piece of crap! He is no better than a titlebout 2 rating. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

04-07-2005, 11:33 PM	#4
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	He didn't win easily by the way. One judge gave the other guy the fight by a similar score. Every time Bowe was hit with a good punch he backed up into the ropes which is a bad sign if he fights a top 100 guy. He looked like crap, both fitness wise and the way he faught. He stands NO chance against anyone in the top 50. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

04-08-2005, 06:48 PM	#10
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,576	5-4-1, Bowe I had it 5-4-1 for Bowe, and taking into consideration the knockdown and point deduction, the scores of the two seemed about right. Bowe landed jabs, but was seriously outhustled and outworked. I realize Zumbrun's punches weren't doing any serious damage, but he was throwing more (and landing more in the first few rounds). Hard to believe the journeyman was the aggressor ... and came off as more impressive, despite not winning. __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) http://www.fistication.blogspot.com/ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1970s SM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes

04-08-2005, 06:56 PM	#11
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,576	And another thing ... Is the division and the boxing public so desperate for a star that it will let a fat former champ dictate that he "will not lose weight" for anything but a "championship level" opponent? Riddick needs a little attitude adjustment. Maybe we should shout for a top (what passes for one today) opponent to take him on so he can get his slow, fat •?# whipped. What is the man thinking, coming in at 280? Pride usually goeth before a butt-kicking ... __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) http://www.fistication.blogspot.com/ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1970s SM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes Last edited by vistaman44; 04-08-2005 at 06:57 PM.

04-08-2005, 11:17 PM	#13
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,026	Let's see Bone in there with David Tua. Tua will whip Bowl's arse, and I haven't even see Bog fight yet for real. This is a top attraction? What's happened to the heavyweight division? Hardly a single heavy in the top 50 under 30 years of age? A bunch of talentless lard-buckets shoving each other around the ring...when they can catch their breath. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

04-07-2005, 11:10 PM	#3
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	Bowe easily won the fight 96-92 if you actually watched the fight. He will need to fight another 2 fights of this caliber though before stepping up any.

04-07-2005, 11:58 PM	#5
jaylosch Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 84	His jab was connecting, everything else looked BAD

04-08-2005, 09:18 AM	#7
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	I saw that he weighed 260 something back in September & weighed 280 last night! You have to wonder how serious he is if he's "coming back" & gains about 20 pounds between fights?

04-08-2005, 04:25 PM	#8
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	I didn't say he looked great, just that he easily won the fight 96-92. Just because some idiot scored the fight 95-93 for Billy Z doesn't mean that was the correct scroing of the fight. I mean Billy Z was knocked down once and had a point taken away once. Aside from the round he ROCKED Bowe he won two other rounds. The other 7 rounds he rarely connected with punches(I don't count hitting Bowe's gloves as a scoring punch) and most of the ones he threw were in the last 10 seconds of each round. Bowe's jab won him the fight. Bowe needs to train more than 3 weeks with 1 week of sparring. Bowe need to fight someone equal or less in talent than Billy Z. Most likely for the next 2 fights. If Bowe doesn't show improvement with the Right Hand, he should give it up.

04-08-2005, 05:54 PM	#9
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 4,653	I had 6 rounds to 4 for Bowe, but two of them were 2 point rounds due to the knockdown and Point deduction. Give Billy Z credit, he took the fight to Bowe on occasion, but could not figure out how to take advantage of what was basically a one dimensional (Jab) Fighter in front of him. The next tier up should have no problem handling Bowe unless he can get the rest of his attack to flow off of what is still a pretty damn good Jab. I think if Billy Z had been able to better slip Bowes jab and step in as he did so working body to head it may have been a different result. Much easier to say than do though.

04-08-2005, 08:48 PM	#12
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	I don't want to see Bowe against good competition. Not yet. I was impressed by two things from Bowe. 1. His JAB. 2. The fact he looked to handle the 10 rounds as well as Billy Z did. I expected Bowe to only be sucking wind after 6. Evidently those JAB's were carrying some power behind them. He should only throw right-hands for the next week of training. He must lose weight if he wants to continue this comeback. At least it was on cable TV and not PPV.

04-09-2005, 10:10 AM	#14
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 4,653	Agreed Tua would absolutely smoke Bowe right now....Lets hope that some of the young guys that are out there, like Samual Peter turn out to be the real deal.

04-11-2005, 05:52 PM	#18
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,238	I think that Bowe should fight Tyson. Loser retires. For good. __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

04-11-2005, 06:47 PM	#19
Jim_Kidd All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida, West Coast Posts: 578	Did anyone hear an interview with Bowe after the fight? I was curious how his speech sounded? I didn't see the fight, just clips on ESPN. From what I saw, it seemed like he took some punishment over the 10 rounds. Jim