2005 Pick: AL Central - Page 3

bulldog55 · 03-24-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

If you're gonna argue baseball, better bring you guns, canned arguements and snide comments don't make you the "internet winner"....

Guys, did I just get owned? Or pwned? Or, god forbid, even p\/\/n3d?!

I am clearly the internet loser. I should have brought me guns.

andymac · 03-24-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jestor

I hate the ****ing Twins.

Funny, I would enjoy ****ing twins.

Incubus3000 · 03-24-2005, 01:49 PM

I just wish they'd learnt ya how to spell up in that big universimy, Pops.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 03-24-2005, 01:52 PM

Yeah, I suppose I should have learned how to type better, my bad.

I am not trying to PWNT? anyone, just like a good argument, that's all, I'm harmless, really, just good fun.

Green & Gold Heart · 03-24-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

You guys are forgetting the Tanaka effect this season:
http://majorleague3.warnerbros.com/img/5.jpg

Not a factor when he's still in the minors with Scott Bakula.

Gastric ReFlux · 03-24-2005, 01:56 PM

I'd like to see the Indians do it, but it'll probably be the Twins.

Bobbuttons · 03-24-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Not a factor when he's still in the minors with Scott Bakula.

Sadly, so is Rube Baker.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 03-24-2005, 02:01 PM

Incubus, let's see here

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715

yep, fits you like a glove....

: )

Incubus3000 · 03-24-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Sadly, so is Rube Baker.

"Women: you can't live with them, and they can't piss standing up."

Incubus3000 · 03-24-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

Incubus, let's see here

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715

yep, fits you like a glove....

: )

Which of my points would you like for me to defend?

Jason Moyer · 03-24-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

Incubus, let's see here

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715

yep, fits you like a glove....

: )

Actually, the key to winning an internet argument is to find a website with keys to winning internet arguments, then posting a link to it rather than taking the time to formulate any sort of coherent or reasonable argument.

andjbock · 03-24-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I believe he said it comes from half "project" and half "donkey".

I prefer the nickname Shrek for him.

He must be proud.

asamford · 03-24-2005, 02:31 PM

I like this Daddy Warbuck$ guy. He's got spunk. The Indians will give the Twins a run for the money and it could get interesting, but I'd definitely rather have the Twins pitching staff. Millwood will be better, but you never know what you're going to get wtih C.C. and I'm not sold on Westbrook or Lee..... Scott Elarton? gimme a break.

Brad Radke did have one of his two best seasons of his career last year, but many pitchers have demonstrated that they get better later and that their prime might be 32-35 as opposed to a hitter's prime of 27-30. I definitely think that Radke will have more value for his team than Juan Gonzalez will for the Indians. Too brittle he is.

Bobbuttons · 03-24-2005, 02:46 PM

Getting to watch my Indians play for the first time this year on TV, although I have been listening to the games on the radio. Looking good! Up 8-0 against the Dodgers in the 6th.

Luis_Rivera · 03-24-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

Guys, did I just get owned? Or pwned? Or, god forbid, even p\/\/n3d?!

I am clearly the internet loser. I should have brought me guns.

You can't win a debate with an alias.

Luis_Rivera · 03-24-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by asamford

I like this Daddy Warbuck$ guy. He's got spunk. The Indians will give the Twins a run for the money and it could get interesting, but I'd definitely rather have the Twins pitching staff. Millwood will be better, but you never know what you're going to get wtih C.C. and I'm not sold on Westbrook or Lee..... Scott Elarton? gimme a break.

Brad Radke did have one of his two best seasons of his career last year, but many pitchers have demonstrated that they get better later and that their prime might be 32-35 as opposed to a hitter's prime of 27-30. I definitely think that Radke will have more value for his team than Juan Gonzalez will for the Indians. Too brittle he is.

Andy, I agree with most of what you say here, but in fairness, Elarton was pretty decent in Cleveland last year before he was shipped out to Colorado (why in God's name they would even think of acquiring a severe flyball pitcher in Colorado is beyond me). Slotting him as their #5 isn't a bad move to start the year.

twins15 · 03-24-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

Yeah, we'll see...

Juan has a better chance of hitting 21 homeruns than Radke does of hitting the 3's in ERA again, mark my words.

Jones? Stewart? Mauer, oh boy, scariest #2 hitters in the league.

Don't get the wrong impression, Twins are a solid team, but there time has come, and why does every non indians fan in the whole world forget that we have more trade-able prospects in AAA than teams such as the Dodgers have in their whole organization? If we are contending, what do you think we would get for a Ludwick? and he's mid-tier on our prospect chart.

If you're gonna argue baseball, better bring you guns, canned arguements and snide comments don't make you the "internet winner"....

Why has their time come? Yes, Rade may slightly decline, but they have Johan, who was unhittable after the Break. Silva was in his first year of starting. Joe Mays is back after TJ surgery, and he's looked good this spring. Kyle Lohse knows he has to pitch well or he's done.

In the lineup, if Mauer is healthy he's an enormous upgrade over Henry "I can't even hit my own weight" Blanco. Mauer was excellent last year before he got hurt last year. Morneau will be playing the whole year, and he's a huge upgrade over 1/2 year of Mientkiewicz. Cuddyer should be very close to passing Koskie's numbers. Whoever they put at SS should come close to replacing Guzman's numbers. They've still got an excellent bullpen.

Yes, the Inidans are a dangerous team with a good lineup, but thy don't have enough pitching, I don't think.

JDOldSchool · 03-24-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

Also, perhaps you've heard of: Shannon Stewart, Michael Cuddyer, Torii Hunter, Jacque Jones, Justin Morneau and Joe Mauer when he's healthy.

Torii Hunter might be the most overrated player in baseball. His defense is not as good as people claim (it's good, but he's borderline top 5 among CFs) and offensively he's mediocre.

Joe Mauer can't stay healthy, so "when he's healthy" is like saying "Luis Rivas will hit 50 home runs when he can hit the ball."

Cuddyer and his .330 career OBP doesn't scare me. Doesn't hit for a lot of power, either.

Jacque Jones isn't a top 40 outfielder in baseball.

Justin Morneau (soup for you!) will be good, but let him do it over a full season first.

Of those guys, only Shannon Stewart scares me. The Twins are NOT that good. They haven't been for the past handful of years. They're a decent team, but not a great team. The only reason the Twins have won so many division titles is that the White Sox are run by a buffoon. Unless the Indians step up this year, nothing will change.

twins15 · 03-24-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Joe Mauer can't stay healthy, so "when he's healthy" is like saying "Luis Rivas will hit 50 home runs when he can hit the ball."

Cuddyer and his .330 career OBP doesn't scare me. Doesn't hit for a lot of power, either.

Last year was the only year Mauer had significant injuries that forced him to miss time. He's been relatively healthy this spring, so how can he all of a sudden not stay healthy.

Cuddyer has not even really gotten a chance to play the couple years. Oh, he'll sub in if someone's hurt, but he usually only played sporadically and at different positions. Hard to get into any offensive rhythm either. Also, he's shown a good amount of power in the Minors.

Swan · 03-24-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Oh, come on. Where's the Cleveland love? They're a better team than a lot of people think.

I agree, this is a two way battle between the Indians and Twins. However, after Mornau, *Mauer and Johann... the Tweins have replacement level playwers at virtually every position.

The Indians, however, have a much better balalnced lineup, and have, I believe, a deeper rotation (Though I give 1-2 to Minny).

It wil be an exciting race.

*I think Victor Martinez > Joe Mauer.

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Chicago White Sox	12	13.04%
Cleveland Indians	19	20.65%
Detroit Tigers	11	11.96%
Kansas City Royals	1	1.09%
Minnesota Twins	49	53.26%
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03-24-2005, 02:46 PM	#54
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	Getting to watch my Indians play for the first time this year on TV, although I have been listening to the games on the radio. Looking good! Up 8-0 against the Dodgers in the 6th. __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

03-24-2005, 01:49 PM	#43
Incubus3000 Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Heart Of Dixie Posts: 83	I just wish they'd learnt ya how to spell up in that big universimy, Pops.

03-24-2005, 01:52 PM	#44
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Yeah, I suppose I should have learned how to type better, my bad. I am not trying to PWNT? anyone, just like a good argument, that's all, I'm harmless, really, just good fun.

03-24-2005, 01:56 PM	#46
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I'd like to see the Indians do it, but it'll probably be the Twins.

03-24-2005, 02:01 PM	#48
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Incubus, let's see here http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715 yep, fits you like a glove.... : )

03-24-2005, 02:31 PM	#53
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	I like this Daddy Warbuck$ guy. He's got spunk. The Indians will give the Twins a run for the money and it could get interesting, but I'd definitely rather have the Twins pitching staff. Millwood will be better, but you never know what you're going to get wtih C.C. and I'm not sold on Westbrook or Lee..... Scott Elarton? gimme a break. Brad Radke did have one of his two best seasons of his career last year, but many pitchers have demonstrated that they get better later and that their prime might be 32-35 as opposed to a hitter's prime of 27-30. I definitely think that Radke will have more value for his team than Juan Gonzalez will for the Indians. Too brittle he is.