SCOUTS give you their ratings BUT you can see the REAL ones....??

DarkFudge · 04-04-2002, 05:22 PM

Guys, correct me if I ma wrong here but I thought the whole idea of the SCOUTS in this game is to see talent and TRUE RATING abilities thru THEIR eyes....which is a great and challenging concept by theory BUT it seems to me that there are just too many areas in the game where I can pull up players on my Team and see their TRUE ratings...One place being in the PLAYER EDITOR!

Am I correct here?...Sure the simple solution is just dont look there right?...but I really think that is an easier concept said than done when you have uncontrollable urges at times to look and EDIT just a little bit more to your team.

Any suggestions?....i would love an option under LEAGUE SETUP to LOCK down the PLAYER EDITOR for the CAREER. This way those of us that want it can always have it and those of us that would like to rid themselves once and for all of any further temptations can turn it OFF!

Now back to my other point about the SCOUTS...I have a very FAIR or AVERAGE scout yet their observations of the player RATINGS seems to be 100% accurate in many of the screens.....Shouldnt they be only perfect if they are GREAT?

mwallstar · 04-04-2002, 05:29 PM

TURN ON CHALLENGE MOde AT beginning of the career takes off player editor capabilities

DarkFudge · 04-04-2002, 05:32 PM

Where is this feature in Season Ticket Baseball 2003?

I cant find it

Scott Vibert · 04-04-2002, 05:42 PM

It's not in Season Ticket Baseball (that is one of the differences).

If you don't want to cheat and "see" the real ratings, then you shouldn't be editing the ratings anyways. A little discipline will go a long ways here.

In any event you never (not even in the editor) see the true ratings. The true ratings are on a different scale then the 0-10+ scale that the ratings are displayed at. Really things are closer to a 0.0-9.9+ scale.. The fraction is dropped so that you don't know everything.

DarkFudge · 04-04-2002, 05:50 PM

Ok thats a fair enough explanation.....but it makes no sense to me that in the League Setup, you have an option to LOCK down generated STATS form Realistic, Traditional...ect. for an entire career with no option to ever turn them back on....why couldnt you simple have the same option to turn the EDITOR off as well?....Is that such a horrible and outlandish request?

It's very easy to say to use self control and discipline when you are an honest guy...but lets keep in mind all the other personality types out there that may want an option to avoid the evil tempations

Scott Vibert · 04-04-2002, 05:59 PM

Turn on online mode... and password protect it with a password you'll never remember... not sure if this will do what you hope, but there's a chance it'll work.

In the end if you decide to cheat, its your choice... is it really the game developers job to "guard the cookie jar" and make it so you can't cheat?

Actually yours is the first post I've seen asking for someone to make it so they can't access the editor.

DarkFudge · 04-04-2002, 06:11 PM

Scott...Im not asking to turn it off....Im simply asking to put an OPTION to LOCK it down the same way we have the option to LOCK down the style in which STATS are generated in career play....why is there an option to lock THAT feature down and not the player editor??

sianews · 04-04-2002, 06:15 PM

Anyne notice when you search a player and view his ratings, then go to the trade menu to acquire him he often has dirrent ratings? I'm assuming the ones in the search windows are his true ratings?

GR8Madmax · 04-05-2002, 07:53 AM

sianews: I also noticed that even before you trade
for a player, two different ratings show up.

When I'm looking at a player through the trade option, a lot of times I see two different ratings...one when I first look at a player and second when I go back and look at the player's rating again. This just confuses me even more..

OOTP Rocks · 04-05-2002, 08:02 AM

[quote]Originally posted by GR8Madmax:
sianews: I also noticed that even before you trade
for a player, two different ratings show up.

When I'm looking at a player through the trade option, a lot of times I see two different ratings...one when I first look at a player and second when I go back and look at the player's rating again. This just confuses me even more..<hr></blockquote>

This bug has been there since OOTP3. In the trade screen, when you first look at a player's ratings (on the team you are trading with), the ratings are the view from your scout. Once you click the player profile, then exit the player profile, the ratings then change to the view of the scout of the team you are trading with.

The only way you can protect yourself from cheating is to exit the opposing team roster screen, then re-enter. Otherwise, you'll see what the opinion of the opposing scout.

OOTP Rocks · 04-05-2002, 08:04 AM

[quote]Originally posted by sianews:
Anyne notice when you search a player and view his ratings, then go to the trade menu to acquire him he often has dirrent ratings? I'm assuming the ones in the search windows are his true ratings?<hr></blockquote>

This is a problem with the player search function. Its been there since OOTP3 as well. There is no way in the game to view all players through the eyes of your scout or the eyes of an average scout. When you view using the player search, you are viewing the player from the opinion of his team scout (the team of the player you are searching).

Henry · 04-05-2002, 09:17 AM

My understanding is that we "never" see the true ratings - and if that's true - then it hardly matters if we see different "opinions" on different screens. (It isn't much different than going to dinner with the other teams scout and he suggests he likes your AA firstbaseman more than you do!)

Here's how the ratings work - I think....

True ratings are from 0.0 to let's say 12.0 ... sample Player A has ratings of 4.3, 6.2, 8.8, and 7.1

A "brilliant" scout will probably report 4,6,9, and 7 or maybe 4,6,8 and 7.

A "Poor scout may report 5, 5, 10, 6.

Never never do you see the 4.3, 6.2, 8.8 and 7.1. In addition, these ratings change through time. The net effect is you really never know what the true numbers are.

Since v4, I've changed all my leagues to "Talent Only" becasue I felt it was truer to reality. Talent ratings per my scout and what he does on the field is all I really want to know

DarkFudge · 04-05-2002, 09:23 AM

Henry if this is truely the case...then I LOVE it!

I have no problem with having my player show up as many different reatings as long as I know that it is just truely the results of different scouts rating him rather than a bug in the program that lets us see his TRUE ratings 'leaked' on a certain screen ( like search for player, or Player editor, ect ) that perhaps the designer of the game overlooked.

And please explain this TALENT ONLY option to me because I too, think that all decisions in the game should be made on educated scout reasearch rather than the CPU actually knowing the REAL RATINGS!

where do I find this TALENT ONLY option?

OOTP Rocks · 04-05-2002, 09:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Henry:
My understanding is that we "never" see the true ratings - and if that's true - then it hardly matters if we see different "opinions" on different screens. (It isn't much different than going to dinner with the other teams scout and he suggests he likes your AA firstbaseman more than you do!)

<hr></blockquote>

Ya, but the problem is what's the point in getting a better scout then? You see when you look at the opinion of an opposing team's scout, what you are essentially doing is cheating. It'll benefit you if your opponent's scout is better than yours. Lets say I'm trading with Los Angeles. His scout is Brilliant in Hitting and Brilliant in Pitching. My scout is Average in Hitting and Average in Pitching. Now, I'd much rather go with Los Angeles' scout's opinion rather than my own (Brilliant is more likely to be right).

Furthermore, by viewing through more than one scout, it gives you a better perspective of a player's true ratings (more opinions, you can average them out to get a better idea). Since the ratings can only be off by a couple of ticks, if you see your scout giving a 6 rating in Contact, while your opponents scout gives a 8 rating in Contact, you know that the player's true rating isn't likely to be below 6 or above 8. This is cheating in my opinion.

[ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: OOTP Rocks ]

OOTP Rocks · 04-05-2002, 09:33 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Henry:
My understanding is that we "never" see the true ratings - and if that's true - then it hardly matters if we see different "opinions" on different screens. (It isn't much different than going to dinner with the other teams scout and he suggests he likes your AA firstbaseman more than you do!)

Here's how the ratings work - I think....

True ratings are from 0.0 to let's say 12.0 ... sample Player A has ratings of 4.3, 6.2, 8.8, and 7.1

A "brilliant" scout will probably report 4,6,9, and 7 or maybe 4,6,8 and 7.

A "Poor scout may report 5, 5, 10, 6.

<hr></blockquote>

Re-reading your post, I think you thought that the different ratings that get shown, show a different opinion made by "your" scout. So essentially, all you are seeing is the 2 different opinions of your own scout. But what happens is the opinion changes from your scout's opinion to your "opponent's" scout's opinion.

Regardless, two different opinions of your own scout could still be used to cheat because you get 2 opinions that you can average out and get a perspective of the player's true ratings, read my above reply for more details.

[ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: OOTP Rocks ]

Henry · 04-05-2002, 09:37 AM

If you picture yourself going through all the available screens to find that information out and do the averages, then yes, I guess you could call it "cheating" - you might also call it "going out to dinner with every scout and getting them drunk" LOL... anyway, I'm sure the OOTP team will continue to look into this - although I really do think they've got so many "opinions" floating around already - they've created a "fog of war" so to speak anyway

As far as the "talent only" option, it's on the league setup screen, bottom of the top left corner column of options

and is my preferred way to play.

[ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: Henry ]

DarkFudge · 04-05-2002, 09:47 AM

OTTP ROCKS...good point. And if you consider that actually cheating, which it could very well be....(I'm still undecided on this),then what makes THAT something any more important to fix then my simple suggestion of LOCKING down the EDITOR to edit player ratings in each player's profile??

My suggestion was to lock down the player editor to prevent people like me to going in there and juicing up a player every now and then...but also I think it gives you a PEAK also at your players 1-10 stats WITH the ability to actually edit them too!

If the solution for my idea above was to JUST use good ethics and dont use the player editor, then the same solution should be applied to using the other scouts cheat you mentioned too....would it not?

I guess my point is...if we are going to take steps to eliminate a flaw or an exploit in one area, why not also do it all around the board and start off by the number one exploit and that's the player editor....give us an option to lock down the TRUE player RATINGS and HIDE them as well from the players profile.....

FOr those that want this enable...fine, they can leave it UNLOCKED but for us that want it permantly locked down....whe should have the option to LOCK

DOnt you agree??

Henry · 04-05-2002, 09:53 AM

Steve,

If your following this thread... can you comment on whether we are on the right track about not seeing the TRUE ratings.. ever? I remember seeing that comment a number of times - but then again, what does the editor show us... is it just missing the decimal points?

("I'm so confused...." anyone remember where that quote came from ?

Killebrew · 04-05-2002, 10:03 AM

I am not positive, but I do not think the scouts are currently designed to act in the way you describe Henry. I think they are much more erratic (even the BRIL rated scouts), so much so that I really am building up a fairly strong dislike about the way they are implemented in the game

. The official explanation of 2-3 different types of "AVERAGE" rated scouts depending on where you are looking does not help my confidence in the current scouting system either, that seems needlessly convoluted. Looking at the bright side of the issue I absolutely love the new reduced ratings options. To me this is more like how scouts should have been implemented in the game in the first place. The reduced ratings (or talent only mode) hides the real value of a player while forcing you to study the players age and stat history much more. The consistency means the ratings/talent info still have some value, just not enough that you can rely on them alone.

I don't see anything wrong with the coaches in the game so I might try to lobby getting a coaches only option yet

. Setting all scouts to AVERAGE is not a fair compromise either. IMO that option currently works poorly, as every AVERAGE coach generally gives wildly different opinions of the same player (with a range from POOR to BRILLIANT for the same player). Hmmm, playing with coaches and reduced ratings (or talent only) would be a lot of fun...

DarkFudge · 04-05-2002, 10:04 AM

I really hope that the editor DOES NOT show us the TRUE ratings of a player....but it HAS to, because its the editor and it has to be precise and it's basing it's instant ratings directly from the actual data you feed it from its righty and lefty numbers....SO I think it is true. Which is fine so we can custom taylor our leagues BUT for God's sakes, give us the option to LOCK it down so we dont see our players true numbers anytime we go into his ratings tab.

Doesnt this make sense?

I think the first or biggest mistake lies in the fact that the editor lies INSIDE the game and it is so easily accesible. I like the fact that you can change player's positions, nicknames and stuff so easily BUT the actual PLAYER RATINGS should only be editable in a totally different screen....maybe put it in a more logical section like the LEAGUE SETUP area or the are where you can customize SCHEDULES, BALLPARKS, ect.

I dunno....it's just too easy to double-click any player and voila....take a peak at all histrue ratings. It defeats the purpose of investing in a good scouting system when you can more easily and accurately gauge your players thru the PLAYER RATING EDITOR.

I'm surprised no one else has brought this up before I stumbled my pathetic unemployed a$$ in here a few days ago

BTW....I love Season Ticket Baseball 2003....keep it coming more and more!!

04-04-2002, 05:22 PM	#1
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	SCOUTS give you their ratings BUT you can see the REAL ones....?? Guys, correct me if I ma wrong here but I thought the whole idea of the SCOUTS in this game is to see talent and TRUE RATING abilities thru THEIR eyes....which is a great and challenging concept by theory BUT it seems to me that there are just too many areas in the game where I can pull up players on my Team and see their TRUE ratings...One place being in the PLAYER EDITOR! Am I correct here?...Sure the simple solution is just dont look there right?...but I really think that is an easier concept said than done when you have uncontrollable urges at times to look and EDIT just a little bit more to your team. Any suggestions?....i would love an option under LEAGUE SETUP to LOCK down the PLAYER EDITOR for the CAREER. This way those of us that want it can always have it and those of us that would like to rid themselves once and for all of any further temptations can turn it OFF! Now back to my other point about the SCOUTS...I have a very FAIR or AVERAGE scout yet their observations of the player RATINGS seems to be 100% accurate in many of the screens.....Shouldnt they be only perfect if they are GREAT?

04-04-2002, 05:29 PM	#2
mwallstar Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edmods Posts: 159	TURN ON CHALLENGE MOde AT beginning of the career takes off player editor capabilities __________________

04-05-2002, 08:02 AM	#10
OOTP Rocks Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 119	[quote]Originally posted by GR8Madmax: <strong>sianews: I also noticed that even before you trade for a player, two different ratings show up. When I'm looking at a player through the trade option, a lot of times I see two different ratings...one when I first look at a player and second when I go back and look at the player's rating again. This just confuses me even more..</strong><hr></blockquote> This bug has been there since OOTP3. In the trade screen, when you first look at a player's ratings (on the team you are trading with), the ratings are the view from your scout. Once you click the player profile, then exit the player profile, the ratings then change to the view of the scout of the team you are trading with. The only way you can protect yourself from cheating is to exit the opposing team roster screen, then re-enter. Otherwise, you'll see what the opinion of the opposing scout.

04-05-2002, 08:04 AM	#11
OOTP Rocks Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 119	[quote]Originally posted by sianews: <strong>Anyne notice when you search a player and view his ratings, then go to the trade menu to acquire him he often has dirrent ratings? I'm assuming the ones in the search windows are his true ratings?</strong><hr></blockquote> This is a problem with the player search function. Its been there since OOTP3 as well. There is no way in the game to view all players through the eyes of your scout or the eyes of an average scout. When you view using the player search, you are viewing the player from the opinion of his team scout (the team of the player you are searching).

04-05-2002, 09:28 AM	#14
OOTP Rocks Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 119	[quote]Originally posted by Henry: <strong>My understanding is that we "never" see the true ratings - and if that's true - then it hardly matters if we see different "opinions" on different screens. (It isn't much different than going to dinner with the other teams scout and he suggests he likes your AA firstbaseman more than you do!) </strong><hr></blockquote> Ya, but the problem is what's the point in getting a better scout then? You see when you look at the opinion of an opposing team's scout, what you are essentially doing is cheating. It'll benefit you if your opponent's scout is better than yours. Lets say I'm trading with Los Angeles. His scout is Brilliant in Hitting and Brilliant in Pitching. My scout is Average in Hitting and Average in Pitching. Now, I'd much rather go with Los Angeles' scout's opinion rather than my own (Brilliant is more likely to be right). Furthermore, by viewing through more than one scout, it gives you a better perspective of a player's true ratings (more opinions, you can average them out to get a better idea). Since the ratings can only be off by a couple of ticks, if you see your scout giving a 6 rating in Contact, while your opponents scout gives a 8 rating in Contact, you know that the player's true rating isn't likely to be below 6 or above 8. This is cheating in my opinion. [ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: OOTP Rocks ]</p>

04-04-2002, 05:32 PM	#3
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	Where is this feature in Season Ticket Baseball 2003? I cant find it

04-04-2002, 05:42 PM	#4
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,251	It's not in Season Ticket Baseball (that is one of the differences). If you don't want to cheat and "see" the real ratings, then you shouldn't be editing the ratings anyways. A little discipline will go a long ways here. In any event you never (not even in the editor) see the true ratings. The true ratings are on a different scale then the 0-10+ scale that the ratings are displayed at. Really things are closer to a 0.0-9.9+ scale.. The fraction is dropped so that you don't know everything.

04-04-2002, 05:50 PM	#5
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	Ok thats a fair enough explanation.....but it makes no sense to me that in the League Setup, you have an option to LOCK down generated STATS form Realistic, Traditional...ect. for an entire career with no option to ever turn them back on....why couldnt you simple have the same option to turn the EDITOR off as well?....Is that such a horrible and outlandish request? It's very easy to say to use self control and discipline when you are an honest guy...but lets keep in mind all the other personality types out there that may want an option to avoid the evil tempations

04-04-2002, 05:59 PM	#6
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,251	Turn on online mode... and password protect it with a password you'll never remember... not sure if this will do what you hope, but there's a chance it'll work. In the end if you decide to cheat, its your choice... is it really the game developers job to "guard the cookie jar" and make it so you can't cheat? Actually yours is the first post I've seen asking for someone to make it so they can't access the editor.

04-04-2002, 06:11 PM	#7
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	Scott...Im not asking to turn it off....Im simply asking to put an OPTION to LOCK it down the same way we have the option to LOCK down the style in which STATS are generated in career play....why is there an option to lock THAT feature down and not the player editor??

04-04-2002, 06:15 PM	#8
sianews Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 77	Anyne notice when you search a player and view his ratings, then go to the trade menu to acquire him he often has dirrent ratings? I'm assuming the ones in the search windows are his true ratings?

04-05-2002, 07:53 AM	#9
GR8Madmax Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 94	sianews: I also noticed that even before you trade for a player, two different ratings show up. When I'm looking at a player through the trade option, a lot of times I see two different ratings...one when I first look at a player and second when I go back and look at the player's rating again. This just confuses me even more..

04-05-2002, 09:17 AM	#12
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	My understanding is that we "never" see the true ratings - and if that's true - then it hardly matters if we see different "opinions" on different screens. (It isn't much different than going to dinner with the other teams scout and he suggests he likes your AA firstbaseman more than you do!) Here's how the ratings work - I think.... True ratings are from 0.0 to let's say 12.0 ... sample Player A has ratings of 4.3, 6.2, 8.8, and 7.1 A "brilliant" scout will probably report 4,6,9, and 7 or maybe 4,6,8 and 7. A "Poor scout may report 5, 5, 10, 6. Never never do you see the 4.3, 6.2, 8.8 and 7.1. In addition, these ratings change through time. The net effect is you really never know what the true numbers are. Since v4, I've changed all my leagues to "Talent Only" becasue I felt it was truer to reality. Talent ratings per my scout and what he does on the field is all I really want to know

04-05-2002, 09:23 AM	#13
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	Henry if this is truely the case...then I LOVE it! I have no problem with having my player show up as many different reatings as long as I know that it is just truely the results of different scouts rating him rather than a bug in the program that lets us see his TRUE ratings 'leaked' on a certain screen ( like search for player, or Player editor, ect ) that perhaps the designer of the game overlooked. And please explain this TALENT ONLY option to me because I too, think that all decisions in the game should be made on educated scout reasearch rather than the CPU actually knowing the REAL RATINGS! where do I find this TALENT ONLY option?

04-05-2002, 09:33 AM	#15
OOTP Rocks Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 119	[quote]Originally posted by Henry: <strong>My understanding is that we "never" see the true ratings - and if that's true - then it hardly matters if we see different "opinions" on different screens. (It isn't much different than going to dinner with the other teams scout and he suggests he likes your AA firstbaseman more than you do!) Here's how the ratings work - I think.... True ratings are from 0.0 to let's say 12.0 ... sample Player A has ratings of 4.3, 6.2, 8.8, and 7.1 A "brilliant" scout will probably report 4,6,9, and 7 or maybe 4,6,8 and 7. A "Poor scout may report 5, 5, 10, 6. </strong><hr></blockquote> Re-reading your post, I think you thought that the different ratings that get shown, show a different opinion made by "your" scout. So essentially, all you are seeing is the 2 different opinions of your own scout. But what happens is the opinion changes from your scout's opinion to your "opponent's" scout's opinion. Regardless, two different opinions of your own scout could still be used to cheat because you get 2 opinions that you can average out and get a perspective of the player's true ratings, read my above reply for more details. [ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: OOTP Rocks ]</p>

04-05-2002, 09:37 AM	#16
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	If you picture yourself going through all the available screens to find that information out and do the averages, then yes, I guess you could call it "cheating" - you might also call it "going out to dinner with every scout and getting them drunk" LOL... anyway, I'm sure the OOTP team will continue to look into this - although I really do think they've got so many "opinions" floating around already - they've created a "fog of war" so to speak anyway As far as the "talent only" option, it's on the league setup screen, bottom of the top left corner column of options and is my preferred way to play. [ 04-05-2002: Message edited by: Henry ]</p>

04-05-2002, 09:47 AM	#17
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	OTTP ROCKS...good point. And if you consider that actually cheating, which it could very well be....(I'm still undecided on this),then what makes THAT something any more important to fix then my simple suggestion of LOCKING down the EDITOR to edit player ratings in each player's profile?? My suggestion was to lock down the player editor to prevent people like me to going in there and juicing up a player every now and then...but also I think it gives you a PEAK also at your players 1-10 stats WITH the ability to actually edit them too! If the solution for my idea above was to JUST use good ethics and dont use the player editor, then the same solution should be applied to using the other scouts cheat you mentioned too....would it not? I guess my point is...if we are going to take steps to eliminate a flaw or an exploit in one area, why not also do it all around the board and start off by the number one exploit and that's the player editor....give us an option to lock down the TRUE player RATINGS and HIDE them as well from the players profile..... FOr those that want this enable...fine, they can leave it UNLOCKED but for us that want it permantly locked down....whe should have the option to LOCK DOnt you agree??

04-05-2002, 09:53 AM	#18
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Steve, If your following this thread... can you comment on whether we are on the right track about not seeing the TRUE ratings.. ever? I remember seeing that comment a number of times - but then again, what does the editor show us... is it just missing the decimal points? ("I'm so confused...." anyone remember where that quote came from ?

04-05-2002, 10:03 AM	#19
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I am not positive, but I do not think the scouts are currently designed to act in the way you describe Henry. I think they are much more erratic (even the BRIL rated scouts), so much so that I really am building up a fairly strong dislike about the way they are implemented in the game . The official explanation of 2-3 different types of "AVERAGE" rated scouts depending on where you are looking does not help my confidence in the current scouting system either, that seems needlessly convoluted. Looking at the bright side of the issue I absolutely love the new reduced ratings options. To me this is more like how scouts should have been implemented in the game in the first place. The reduced ratings (or talent only mode) hides the real value of a player while forcing you to study the players age and stat history much more. The consistency means the ratings/talent info still have some value, just not enough that you can rely on them alone. I don't see anything wrong with the coaches in the game so I might try to lobby getting a coaches only option yet . Setting all scouts to AVERAGE is not a fair compromise either. IMO that option currently works poorly, as every AVERAGE coach generally gives wildly different opinions of the same player (with a range from POOR to BRILLIANT for the same player). Hmmm, playing with coaches and reduced ratings (or talent only) would be a lot of fun... __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-05-2002, 10:04 AM	#20
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	I really hope that the editor DOES NOT show us the TRUE ratings of a player....but it HAS to, because its the editor and it has to be precise and it's basing it's instant ratings directly from the actual data you feed it from its righty and lefty numbers....SO I think it is true. Which is fine so we can custom taylor our leagues BUT for God's sakes, give us the option to LOCK it down so we dont see our players true numbers anytime we go into his ratings tab. Doesnt this make sense? I think the first or biggest mistake lies in the fact that the editor lies INSIDE the game and it is so easily accesible. I like the fact that you can change player's positions, nicknames and stuff so easily BUT the actual PLAYER RATINGS should only be editable in a totally different screen....maybe put it in a more logical section like the LEAGUE SETUP area or the are where you can customize SCHEDULES, BALLPARKS, ect. I dunno....it's just too easy to double-click any player and voila....take a peak at all histrue ratings. It defeats the purpose of investing in a good scouting system when you can more easily and accurately gauge your players thru the PLAYER RATING EDITOR. I'm surprised no one else has brought this up before I stumbled my pathetic unemployed a$$ in here a few days ago BTW....I love Season Ticket Baseball 2003....keep it coming more and more!!