Commentary - General

LeeSkye · 01-15-2005, 09:06 PM

OK let's see if we can suggest some new/varied commentary that Andreas might be able to add into this great game.

We can start with some general ones.

These are a number of the existing comments that show up quite a bit in our fight results.

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That's the bell, summoning the two fighters to begin trading punches here in the first

Both fighters come into this fight predicting a win... Not that you'd expect anything else

The action slows for the moment

XXXX retreats into the right corner

XXXXX likes to use the hook but he'd better get a little closer when he throws it or XXXX's going to beat him to the punch and hurt him!

XXXX is either lucky or has radar. XXXX's last punch missed landing by a fraction of an inch!

XXXX misses badly. It looked like he changed his mind half way through the punch

It's a knowledgeable crowd tonight. They are letting the fighters know they want to see some action and when it slows down they are quick with their show of displeasure.

There seems to be more moving and clinching than we anticipated from these two. We didn't expect this bout to turn into a chess match

That's the shot XXXX hoped to land! XXXX looks bad after that blow!

XXXX seems to be protecting his body which is leaving his head vulnerable. He doesn't like body shots but I don't know anyone that does

XXX is covering up to prevent body shots, but he's leaving his chin dangerously unprotected!

Neither fighter shows any wear and tear at this point

The two fighters lean on one another. Their arms are free and they should be throwing punches. Now they separate and the action resumes.

XXXX seems really focused on what he's doing this round

Both fighters take a half-step back

The two men are circling one another, looking for an opening.

XXXX bulls his way inside, pushing XXXX up against the ropes. Good thing they don't score on style points

XXXX misses with what looked like a backhand. He's lucky. If that had landed, he might have drawn a warning.

01-15-2005, 10:36 PM

Too much "retreats into the right corner" Boxers don't retreat all that much unless they are being pummelled.

Too much "protecting his body which is leaving his head vulnerable." Boxers rarely protect their body and leave their head open, unless they've been getting consistently hurt with body punches. Usually it's the other way around - they protect their head, leaving their body vulnerable.

Too much "misses with what looked like a backhand". This rarely happens. Most fouls are caused by punching low.

Cap · 01-16-2005, 10:40 AM

Totally agree with 60's Fan. Excellent observations.

I see "Both fighters predict a win yadda yadda" every single fight. I also keep seeing a line where the commentary says either when it should say too. Don't know why, but I find that very annoying either...uh...too.

Seriously, some lines need to be fixed, some eliminated and some just used less frequently. Maybe throw in a lot more, "(name here) lands a good right!" or " (name here) blocks/slips that left."

Cap

Johnny Slick · 01-16-2005, 11:21 AM

The "knowledgable crowd" line needs to come up a LOT less often. I've been me to a couple o' them boxing matches, and the crowds... well, let's say that "knowledgable" might not have been the best way to describe them.

You could give TBCB a Bill Walton feel by including the line xxxxxxx is the greatest puncher I have ever seen. Throw it down, big man! (this is actually more appropriate, or, I should say, more accurate to Walton, when a couple of bantamweights are going at it).

xxxxxx is moving his opponent around the ring.

xxxxxxx is certainly living up to his nickname tonight. (this would be especially funny if it came up when a boxer nicknamed G.O.A.T. was getting pummelled)

xxxxxxx feints and steps back

A couple of knockdown lines (didn't see a separate thread for 'em):

DOWN GOES XXXXXXXX!! DOWN GOES XXXXXXX!!

XXXXXX IS KNOCKED OUT OF THE RING! (really, really rare, but hey, it did happen to Firpo)

xxxxxxx goes down ... and he pulls xxxxxxx down with him!

oh yeah, and for DQs:

XXXXXXXXX BIT HIS EAR! DIRTY XXXXXXXXX! DIRTY DIRTY XXXXXXXX!

wildhawke11 · 01-16-2005, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 60'sfan

Too much "retreats into the right corner" Boxers don't retreat all that much unless they are being pummelled.

Too much "protecting his body which is leaving his head vulnerable." Boxers rarely protect their body and leave their head open, unless they've been getting consistently hurt with body punches. Usually it's the other way around - they protect their head, leaving their body vulnerable.

Too much "misses with what looked like a backhand". This rarely happens. Most fouls are caused by punching low.

I agree good one's 60s

Also sometime i would like to see

OH HE'S DOWN HE'S DOWN then the name of the fighter coming a second later. It can happen when a punch comes sort of out of the blue it would also add a little drama to the fight.

Another when a cut accrues its not always possible at close quarters to tell for a few seconds which fighter has been cut. Even more so with a head butt. SO
Looks like coming out of that exchange there's been a cut both fighters have blood on there face. PAUSE then

Its ALI Yes it looks like there is a cut over Ali's left eye. Yes Ali has definitely been cut.

If at all possible we need to add a little suspense for the reader just like the old radio days.

One thing we are never going to do is come anywhere near a good radio broadcast because its not so much what the commentator is saying ( we can do that with text ) But more its more the change in tone from quite to loud and the excitement that a good commentary can generate with his voice.

You can type Louis explodes with a blistering volley of combinations.
but it never match a live broadcaster excitedly saying the same thing.

Reading text can get a little boring after a while so it might be nice if to the reader for a second or so he had to wait to find out what exactly did happen at times.

Right now these are just off the top of our heads i am pretty sure with a little more thought we could improve on the present ones.

crusadecat · 01-16-2005, 02:13 PM

While we are thinking about the commentary, I'd love to see a few sentences in between rounds that sums up the action or more varied commentary that desribes the action at the end of the round.

___ took alot of punishment in that round. ____ looked on his game there. ______'s corner will be busy here. _______ looks confused Referee _____ is checking into the corner of ____ to see if he can continue. Referee _______ is in the corner of ____ to warn him of his conduct.

chaleyit · 01-16-2005, 02:17 PM

i would like to build on what Wildhawke just said. Seeing that we will never come close to the excitement of radio days, I would like to again say that perhaps an option for commentary could be implemented. Those who wanted vervage could get it. Myself I don't need the verbage, I just need to know what happened the announcer in my imagination can do much more than C++ can do. I do this with the Baseball simulator I have, it gives me the option of detailed commentary or no commentary. No commentary just shows results like "Homerun, that's his XX of the season", "or 6-4-3 Double play." Detailed commentary is like "He swings and there is a long drive blah blah"
I prefer to supply my own commentary. Just plain and simple, xxxx lands a hook, xxxx lands a right cross, xxxxx lands a jab, xxx missses with a (whatever), xxxx is down, and so on.

crusadecat · 01-16-2005, 03:10 PM

It's a pier 6 brawl as both fighters trade punches.

______ is stepping his fighter down and is looking impressive doing it.

______ cuts off the escape route of _____ and goes on the offense.

_____ is on his bicycle looking for a way out of this mess.

crusadecat · 01-16-2005, 03:18 PM

Thinking of the commentary, what is missing is some suggestion of where they are in the ring. Thats why I added a few to atleast put some indication of that.

___ is working on the ropes here fighting his way out of danger.

____ circles to his opponents left like he has been asked to do.

_____ , looking for his opportunity to strike,

______ keeps on putting his hands behind his opponents back he should be throwing.

They both had the same idea with that punch and nobodies shot lands solidly.

crusadecat · 01-17-2005, 02:45 AM

These two fighters just plain don't like each other.

The mutual respect is evident as both fighters continue to touch gloves.

This is a real donnybrook we have going on here, both fighters refuse to go down.

____ is showing incredible courage as he takes that kind of punishment. no one can say he deesn't have heart.

We heard all the prefight hype but now its time to ring the bell and let em go.

Cap · 01-20-2005, 12:18 AM

(name here) stepped inside a looping left and banged away at his belly.

(name here) tagged him coming in.

(name here) and (name here) grappled along the ropes.

(name here) worked him over in the corner.

(name here) bulled him into the ropes and pounded him in the slats.

(name here) took the blows on his crossed arms and elbows to get inside.

(name here) motioned to the ref that (name here) had rabbit-punched him.

(name here) wiped the blood from his face and grinned wofishly.

(name here) slipped on a wet patch in his own corner.

They paced around each other like tigers ready to pounce.

(name here) feinted a left then slipped away from a ponderous blow.

Tiring, (name here) ducked a sweeping right and wrapped his arms around (name here).

crusadecat · 01-20-2005, 01:01 AM

These two could fight this match in a phone booth. ( this will be good as long as) These two don't want to get in there and mix it up. doesn't appear in the next sentence or so.

_____ is taunting his foe, not the most sportsmanlike thing to do, but it may work for him.

The crowd is begining to chant for ____ that may get him going!

That punch whizzed by his ear like a bullet , I bet he's glad that was a near miss!

____ smiled after that shot, He's playing it off like it didn't hurt but I for one don't believe him.

______ is pounding his gloves in anticipation for this round to begin.

Garagiste · 01-20-2005, 03:43 PM

"Regrouping" needs to be eliminated. Teams regroup, individual players (or boxers) don't. When I try to visualize the various actions described in the TBCB commentary, this is the one that simply doesn't work for me and thye seem to occur 2-3 times per round.

What would a regrouping fighter looks like? Covering up? Then say he's covering up. Staying away? Then say he's moving around the ring, looking to avoid his opponent. And so on. But "regrouping", "seeming to regroup", "looking like he needs to regroup", and so on are really ineffective space fillers.

Cap · 01-20-2005, 04:27 PM

I have to admit I've come across this elsewhere. It's like "...gathering his wits...". I've seen worse offenders, like using "either" instead of "too". If you play this game for any length of time, you'll know which one I mean. It's like running into a speed bump.

Cap

ThirdPartyView · 02-02-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Slick

XXXXXX IS KNOCKED OUT OF THE RING! (really, really rare, but hey, it did happen to Firpo)

Don't you mean to Dempsey by Firpo?

ThirdPartyView · 02-02-2005, 02:52 PM

(Fighter B) runs across the ring as the bell rings, catching (Fighter A) off guard!

(Fighter B) runs across the ring as the bell rings, but the referee stops him from attacking (Fighter A) prematurely.

After that last close up encounter, (Fighter A) has decided to play it safe and take a (Guard style - IE: Peekaboo, Philly, Crouch) style of defense.

(Fighter B) scores with a jab, and (Fighter A) shows obvious discomfort after it connects!

(Fighter B) scores with a jab, but (Fighter A) doesn't even blink after being hit with it.

(Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to catch the punch with his/her gloves.

(Fighter B) throws a jab, (Fighter A) swats it off, but (Fighter B) manages to counter the swat and connect with a painful looking (Punch type)!

(Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to duck under and go inside, connecting with a (Punch type) to the body!

(Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to pull himself back at the last second.

(Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to step back, making the punch hit nothing but air.

(Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) turns his shoulder, allowing the jab to connect harmlessly with it.

(Fighter B) scores with a jab to the body, and (Fighter A) moves backwards after it connects!

(Fighter B) scores with a jab to the body, but (Fighter A) continues to move forward, obviously unphased by the punch.

(Fighter B) throws a jab to the body, but (Fighter A) manages to block it with his forearm.

(Fighter B) throws a jab to the body, but (Fighter A) manages to step back at the right moment.

Both fighters are tied up, and (Fighter B) headbutts (Fighter A)! The referee didn't see the infraction, however, as the crowd boos the unsportsmanlike activities of (Fighter B).

Both fighters are tied up, and (Fighter B) headbutts (Fighter A)! The referee sees the headbutt, pulls apart both men and deducts a point from (Fighter B), threatening to disqualify him if he tries it again!

Both fighters are tied up, and (Fighter B) headbutts (Fighter A)! The referee sees the headbutt, pulls apart both men and...he disqualifies (Fighter B) for his cheating ways! This fight is over, and the fans certainly aren't happy about the outcome...

The fighters are trading, and (Fighter B) connects with a blatant low blow to the groin of (Fighter A)! The referee stops the fight, and deducts a point to (Fighter B) while giving (Fighter A) some time to rest.

The fighters are trading, and (Fighter B) connects with a low blow to the groin of (Fighter A)! The referee stops the fight, and deducts a point to (Fighter B) while giving (Fighter A) some time to rest. (Fighter B) is arguing the referee's call, claiming it was a mistake, but to no avail.

The fighters are trading, and (Fighter B) connects with a blatant low blow to the groin of (Fighter A)! The referee stops the fight, and...signals for the bell! This fight is over, as (Fighter B) has been disqualified for his low blow! The fans sure are giving (Fighter B) hell for this...

01-15-2005, 09:06 PM	#1
LeeSkye All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Igloo Posts: 1,279	Commentary - General OK let's see if we can suggest some new/varied commentary that Andreas might be able to add into this great game. We can start with some general ones. These are a number of the existing comments that show up quite a bit in our fight results. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx That's the bell, summoning the two fighters to begin trading punches here in the first Both fighters come into this fight predicting a win... Not that you'd expect anything else The action slows for the moment XXXX retreats into the right corner XXXXX likes to use the hook but he'd better get a little closer when he throws it or XXXX's going to beat him to the punch and hurt him! XXXX is either lucky or has radar. XXXX's last punch missed landing by a fraction of an inch! XXXX misses badly. It looked like he changed his mind half way through the punch It's a knowledgeable crowd tonight. They are letting the fighters know they want to see some action and when it slows down they are quick with their show of displeasure. There seems to be more moving and clinching than we anticipated from these two. We didn't expect this bout to turn into a chess match That's the shot XXXX hoped to land! XXXX looks bad after that blow! XXXX seems to be protecting his body which is leaving his head vulnerable. He doesn't like body shots but I don't know anyone that does XXX is covering up to prevent body shots, but he's leaving his chin dangerously unprotected! Neither fighter shows any wear and tear at this point The two fighters lean on one another. Their arms are free and they should be throwing punches. Now they separate and the action resumes. XXXX seems really focused on what he's doing this round Both fighters take a half-step back The two men are circling one another, looking for an opening. XXXX bulls his way inside, pushing XXXX up against the ropes. Good thing they don't score on style points XXXX misses with what looked like a backhand. He's lucky. If that had landed, he might have drawn a warning. __________________ What If Championship Boxing Last edited by LeeSkye; 01-16-2005 at 04:06 PM.

01-16-2005, 10:40 AM	#3
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 7,969	Totally agree with 60's Fan. Excellent observations. I see "Both fighters predict a win yadda yadda" every single fight. I also keep seeing a line where the commentary says either when it should say too. Don't know why, but I find that very annoying either...uh...too. Seriously, some lines need to be fixed, some eliminated and some just used less frequently. Maybe throw in a lot more, "(name here) lands a good right!" or " (name here) blocks/slips that left." Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.." Last edited by Cap; 01-16-2005 at 10:46 AM.

01-16-2005, 02:17 PM	#7
chaleyit Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PA, USA Posts: 396	i would like to build on what Wildhawke just said. Seeing that we will never come close to the excitement of radio days, I would like to again say that perhaps an option for commentary could be implemented. Those who wanted vervage could get it. Myself I don't need the verbage, I just need to know what happened the announcer in my imagination can do much more than C++ can do. I do this with the Baseball simulator I have, it gives me the option of detailed commentary or no commentary. No commentary just shows results like "Homerun, that's his XX of the season", "or 6-4-3 Double play." Detailed commentary is like "He swings and there is a long drive blah blah" I prefer to supply my own commentary. Just plain and simple, xxxx lands a hook, xxxx lands a right cross, xxxxx lands a jab, xxx missses with a (whatever), xxxx is down, and so on. __________________ Life is God's joke on us, so laugh often so She knows you get it.

01-20-2005, 12:18 AM	#11
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 7,969	(name here) stepped inside a looping left and banged away at his belly. (name here) tagged him coming in. (name here) and (name here) grappled along the ropes. (name here) worked him over in the corner. (name here) bulled him into the ropes and pounded him in the slats. (name here) took the blows on his crossed arms and elbows to get inside. (name here) motioned to the ref that (name here) had rabbit-punched him. (name here) wiped the blood from his face and grinned wofishly. (name here) slipped on a wet patch in his own corner. They paced around each other like tigers ready to pounce. (name here) feinted a left then slipped away from a ponderous blow. Tiring, (name here) ducked a sweeping right and wrapped his arms around (name here). __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

01-20-2005, 03:43 PM	#13
Garagiste Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 13	"Regrouping" needs to be eliminated. Teams regroup, individual players (or boxers) don't. When I try to visualize the various actions described in the TBCB commentary, this is the one that simply doesn't work for me and thye seem to occur 2-3 times per round. What would a regrouping fighter looks like? Covering up? Then say he's covering up. Staying away? Then say he's moving around the ring, looking to avoid his opponent. And so on. But "regrouping", "seeming to regroup", "looking like he needs to regroup", and so on are really ineffective space fillers. Last edited by Garagiste; 01-21-2005 at 08:45 PM.

01-15-2005, 10:36 PM	#2
60'sfan Guest Posts: n/a	Too much "retreats into the right corner" Boxers don't retreat all that much unless they are being pummelled. Too much "protecting his body which is leaving his head vulnerable." Boxers rarely protect their body and leave their head open, unless they've been getting consistently hurt with body punches. Usually it's the other way around - they protect their head, leaving their body vulnerable. Too much "misses with what looked like a backhand". This rarely happens. Most fouls are caused by punching low.

01-16-2005, 11:21 AM	#4
Johnny Slick Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,012	The "knowledgable crowd" line needs to come up a LOT less often. I've been me to a couple o' them boxing matches, and the crowds... well, let's say that "knowledgable" might not have been the best way to describe them. You could give TBCB a Bill Walton feel by including the line xxxxxxx is the greatest puncher I have ever seen. Throw it down, big man! (this is actually more appropriate, or, I should say, more accurate to Walton, when a couple of bantamweights are going at it). xxxxxx is moving his opponent around the ring. xxxxxxx is certainly living up to his nickname tonight. (this would be especially funny if it came up when a boxer nicknamed G.O.A.T. was getting pummelled) xxxxxxx feints and steps back A couple of knockdown lines (didn't see a separate thread for 'em): DOWN GOES XXXXXXXX!! DOWN GOES XXXXXXX!! XXXXXX IS KNOCKED OUT OF THE RING! (really, really rare, but hey, it did happen to Firpo) xxxxxxx goes down ... and he pulls xxxxxxx down with him! oh yeah, and for DQs: XXXXXXXXX BIT HIS EAR! DIRTY XXXXXXXXX! DIRTY DIRTY XXXXXXXX!

01-16-2005, 02:13 PM	#6
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 827	While we are thinking about the commentary, I'd love to see a few sentences in between rounds that sums up the action or more varied commentary that desribes the action at the end of the round. ___ took alot of punishment in that round. ____ looked on his game there. ______'s corner will be busy here. _______ looks confused Referee _____ is checking into the corner of ____ to see if he can continue. Referee _______ is in the corner of ____ to warn him of his conduct.

01-16-2005, 03:10 PM	#8
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 827	It's a pier 6 brawl as both fighters trade punches. ______ is stepping his fighter down and is looking impressive doing it. ______ cuts off the escape route of _____ and goes on the offense. _____ is on his bicycle looking for a way out of this mess.

01-16-2005, 03:18 PM	#9
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 827	Thinking of the commentary, what is missing is some suggestion of where they are in the ring. Thats why I added a few to atleast put some indication of that. ___ is working on the ropes here fighting his way out of danger. ____ circles to his opponents left like he has been asked to do. _____ , looking for his opportunity to strike, ______ keeps on putting his hands behind his opponents back he should be throwing. They both had the same idea with that punch and nobodies shot lands solidly.

01-17-2005, 02:45 AM	#10
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 827	These two fighters just plain don't like each other. The mutual respect is evident as both fighters continue to touch gloves. This is a real donnybrook we have going on here, both fighters refuse to go down. ____ is showing incredible courage as he takes that kind of punishment. no one can say he deesn't have heart. We heard all the prefight hype but now its time to ring the bell and let em go.

01-20-2005, 01:01 AM	#12
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 827	These two could fight this match in a phone booth. ( this will be good as long as) These two don't want to get in there and mix it up. doesn't appear in the next sentence or so. _____ is taunting his foe, not the most sportsmanlike thing to do, but it may work for him. The crowd is begining to chant for ____ that may get him going! That punch whizzed by his ear like a bullet , I bet he's glad that was a near miss! ____ smiled after that shot, He's playing it off like it didn't hurt but I for one don't believe him. ______ is pounding his gloves in anticipation for this round to begin.

01-20-2005, 04:27 PM	#14
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 7,969	I have to admit I've come across this elsewhere. It's like "...gathering his wits...". I've seen worse offenders, like using "either" instead of "too". If you play this game for any length of time, you'll know which one I mean. It's like running into a speed bump. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

02-02-2005, 02:52 PM	#16
ThirdPartyView Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	(Fighter B) runs across the ring as the bell rings, catching (Fighter A) off guard! (Fighter B) runs across the ring as the bell rings, but the referee stops him from attacking (Fighter A) prematurely. After that last close up encounter, (Fighter A) has decided to play it safe and take a (Guard style - IE: Peekaboo, Philly, Crouch) style of defense. (Fighter B) scores with a jab, and (Fighter A) shows obvious discomfort after it connects! (Fighter B) scores with a jab, but (Fighter A) doesn't even blink after being hit with it. (Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to catch the punch with his/her gloves. (Fighter B) throws a jab, (Fighter A) swats it off, but (Fighter B) manages to counter the swat and connect with a painful looking (Punch type)! (Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to duck under and go inside, connecting with a (Punch type) to the body! (Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to pull himself back at the last second. (Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) manages to step back, making the punch hit nothing but air. (Fighter B) throws a jab, but (Fighter A) turns his shoulder, allowing the jab to connect harmlessly with it. (Fighter B) scores with a jab to the body, and (Fighter A) moves backwards after it connects! (Fighter B) scores with a jab to the body, but (Fighter A) continues to move forward, obviously unphased by the punch. (Fighter B) throws a jab to the body, but (Fighter A) manages to block it with his forearm. (Fighter B) throws a jab to the body, but (Fighter A) manages to step back at the right moment. Both fighters are tied up, and (Fighter B) headbutts (Fighter A)! The referee didn't see the infraction, however, as the crowd boos the unsportsmanlike activities of (Fighter B). Both fighters are tied up, and (Fighter B) headbutts (Fighter A)! The referee sees the headbutt, pulls apart both men and deducts a point from (Fighter B), threatening to disqualify him if he tries it again! Both fighters are tied up, and (Fighter B) headbutts (Fighter A)! The referee sees the headbutt, pulls apart both men and...he disqualifies (Fighter B) for his cheating ways! This fight is over, and the fans certainly aren't happy about the outcome... The fighters are trading, and (Fighter B) connects with a blatant low blow to the groin of (Fighter A)! The referee stops the fight, and deducts a point to (Fighter B) while giving (Fighter A) some time to rest. The fighters are trading, and (Fighter B) connects with a low blow to the groin of (Fighter A)! The referee stops the fight, and deducts a point to (Fighter B) while giving (Fighter A) some time to rest. (Fighter B) is arguing the referee's call, claiming it was a mistake, but to no avail. The fighters are trading, and (Fighter B) connects with a blatant low blow to the groin of (Fighter A)! The referee stops the fight, and...signals for the bell! This fight is over, as (Fighter B) has been disqualified for his low blow! The fans sure are giving (Fighter B) hell for this...