OOTP AI Manager Tendencies

stick52 · 03-14-2004, 11:40 PM

The one feature I'm most interested in for OOTP 6, but have not seen addressed is the ability to set manager tendencies for different teams in solo play like we were able to do in OOTP 4. With the ability to set each players tendencies individually in OOTP 5, I was disappointed to see the computer take over. IMHO, I think this would improve an already spectacular game a hundredfold!!!

Craig Scarborough · 03-14-2004, 11:51 PM

I agree Stick - something to look for in the future...

Steve Kuffrey · 03-15-2004, 12:37 AM

It would be nice to have an "override" option.

Kemp · 03-15-2004, 05:13 AM

That's a great point. Taking away the "human player's" ability to lock in team strategies seemed to be a small step backwards in OOTP5.

Gastric ReFlux · 03-15-2004, 12:11 PM

Definitely. In OOTP4, I liked to give the other teams randomly generated managers and adjusted team strategies that way. If a team had a few bad years in a row, they would get a new manager. I would at least like to have that, where if we want to we can make adjustments to the AI team strategies so we feel like they have managers.

The really sweet idea would be for OOTP to have actual managers for the AI teams to hire.

Carlton · 03-15-2004, 12:38 PM

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Yes and to keep track of their W/L and have them elected into the HOF...plus when you go into HOF and select to see retired players...a right click and "put into manager pool" option would be nice

ZouDave · 03-15-2004, 01:53 PM

this is definitely something I would love to see. Seems to me it could be an extension of the coaching/scouting stuff that's already in the game. What's to stop an overly successful AAA coach from making it to the next level and becoming a Major's coach?

It'd be cool to have a Tony Gwynn-type player start out as a hitting coach with exceptional talent, could eventually then become a minors coach and maybe be a Major's coach by the time he's in his 50s.

Would LOVE to see this option added.

William4192 · 03-15-2004, 06:25 PM

This would be so much fun! This occurs in Madden football (for psx 2) and I love it. Jerry Rice is now my head coach (after being promoted from Off. Coord.

treedom · 03-15-2004, 06:35 PM

damn, this would be nice!

sadangelclown · 03-15-2004, 07:31 PM

Also, it would be cool to be able to choose system strategies for player controlled teams-- like emphasis on taking pitches, for example, in both the majors and minors.

pat · 03-16-2004, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by ZouDave
this is definitely something I would love to see. Seems to me it could be an extension of the coaching/scouting stuff that's already in the game. What's to stop an overly successful AAA coach from making it to the next level and becoming a Major's coach?

It'd be cool to have a Tony Gwynn-type player start out as a hitting coach with exceptional talent, could eventually then become a minors coach and maybe be a Major's coach by the time he's in his 50s.

Would LOVE to see this option added.

i would love to see this too..

lfj · 03-16-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by Craig Scarborough
I agree Stick - something to look for in the future...

Craig, does this mean it is NOT in OOTP6?

just curious....

ctorg · 03-16-2004, 10:19 AM

In OOTP4, I used to keep a database of managers with randomly assigned tendencies and have teams hire these managers (and fire them if they did poorly). I really enjoyed that, and wish that feature could be included in OOTP in general. Barring that, I'd love to see at least an option to return to the ways of old.

Skywalker76 · 03-16-2004, 10:28 AM

does anybody know if this tool was again added to OOTP6.
And what about your own manager career- anything new there.

endgame · 01-14-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

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Yes and to keep track of their W/L and have them elected into the HOF...plus when you go into HOF and select to see retired players...a right click and "put into manager pool" option would be nice

I'd like this right-click option to exist all around with coaches and/or managers that leave their positions for whatever reason. It'd be hard, I'm sure, to find a way for the AI to effectively assign new ratings....but.. something to ponder.

endgame · 01-14-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

Definitely. In OOTP4, I liked to give the other teams randomly generated managers and adjusted team strategies that way. If a team had a few bad years in a row, they would get a new manager. I would at least like to have that, where if we want to we can make adjustments to the AI team strategies so we feel like they have managers.

The really sweet idea would be for OOTP to have actual managers for the AI teams to hire.

And still, no way to work around this in v6 other than making all teams human controlled, eh? Shame. Wonder if it's too late to add that consideration to the 6.12 Christmas patch? Ya think? I know I mentioned it as a bug in my note to TC because I thought (agreed with another member) that it simply never got turned back ON again. One could only hope....hope.....hope.....

Number 6 · 01-14-2005, 11:51 PM

Well, as the CM/FM series has always modelled AI managers, perhaps it's something Markus might pick up from SI for OOTP7. I agree it would be a nice feature.

jdw · 01-16-2005, 05:08 AM

> This would be so much fun! This occurs in
> Madden football (for psx 2) and I love it.
> Jerry Rice is now my head coach (after
> being promoted from Off. Coord.

Championship Manager / Football Manager has had this built in forever. In fact, as they get older, players often get a "Player/Manager" clause in their contracts whereby if they get offered a shot to player-manager someplace, they get right out of their contracts and go. Their "player" aspect eventually retired, but the manager part (along with the manager history) keeps going on.

Kinda cool with old Championship Manager back to go through 30 seasons and watch the old guard of Sir Alex & Co. retire after a time and players Shearer go into managing careers.

Hopefully it's something that OOTP can lift from them in their association with the Football Manager family.

There's an absolute crapload of things in CM/FM that would make OOTP more enjoyable. I think one of the problems with baseball is that it is so massively stat intensive that one can see it eat up a lot of database size.

John

jdw · 01-16-2005, 05:09 AM

Ooops... I missed Number 6's post. I will now write "I will read the entire thread before responding" 100 times on the chalkboard.

John

asamford · 01-16-2005, 11:00 AM

does anyone remember in Earl Weaver, that you could answer a series of 67 or so questions that would ask about game situations and what you (or the manager you are emulating) would do in those situations? You could develop all sorts of manager personalities and have them concentrate on different things.

I'd love to see something like this for OOTP. I'd also like to see something like this for the AI GM's... maybe he's a Jim Bowden type and loves toolsy outfielders and makes crappy trades... you could create an AI-Scheurholz, an AI-Beane, an AI-Cashman, an AI-Epstein, etc, etc.... would do wonders for the solo leagues...

03-14-2004, 11:40 PM	#1
stick52 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: KCMO Posts: 45	OOTP AI Manager Tendencies The one feature I'm most interested in for OOTP 6, but have not seen addressed is the ability to set manager tendencies for different teams in solo play like we were able to do in OOTP 4. With the ability to set each players tendencies individually in OOTP 5, I was disappointed to see the computer take over. IMHO, I think this would improve an already spectacular game a hundredfold!!!

03-15-2004, 12:37 AM	#3
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03-15-2004, 12:38 PM	#6
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	^ Yes and to keep track of their W/L and have them elected into the HOF...plus when you go into HOF and select to see retired players...a right click and "put into manager pool" option would be nice __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

03-15-2004, 01:53 PM	#7
ZouDave Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 313	this is definitely something I would love to see. Seems to me it could be an extension of the coaching/scouting stuff that's already in the game. What's to stop an overly successful AAA coach from making it to the next level and becoming a Major's coach? It'd be cool to have a Tony Gwynn-type player start out as a hitting coach with exceptional talent, could eventually then become a minors coach and maybe be a Major's coach by the time he's in his 50s. Would LOVE to see this option added. __________________ ZD

03-15-2004, 06:25 PM	#8
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	This would be so much fun! This occurs in Madden football (for psx 2) and I love it. Jerry Rice is now my head coach (after being promoted from Off. Coord. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

03-14-2004, 11:51 PM	#2
Craig Scarborough All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 551	I agree Stick - something to look for in the future...

03-15-2004, 05:13 AM	#4
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	That's a great point. Taking away the "human player's" ability to lock in team strategies seemed to be a small step backwards in OOTP5.

03-15-2004, 12:11 PM	#5
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Definitely. In OOTP4, I liked to give the other teams randomly generated managers and adjusted team strategies that way. If a team had a few bad years in a row, they would get a new manager. I would at least like to have that, where if we want to we can make adjustments to the AI team strategies so we feel like they have managers. The really sweet idea would be for OOTP to have actual managers for the AI teams to hire.

03-15-2004, 06:35 PM	#9
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	damn, this would be nice! __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

03-15-2004, 07:31 PM	#10
sadangelclown Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 127	Also, it would be cool to be able to choose system strategies for player controlled teams-- like emphasis on taking pitches, for example, in both the majors and minors.

03-16-2004, 10:19 AM	#13
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	In OOTP4, I used to keep a database of managers with randomly assigned tendencies and have teams hire these managers (and fire them if they did poorly). I really enjoyed that, and wish that feature could be included in OOTP in general. Barring that, I'd love to see at least an option to return to the ways of old. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-16-2004, 10:28 AM	#14
Skywalker76 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 833	does anybody know if this tool was again added to OOTP6. And what about your own manager career- anything new there.

01-14-2005, 11:51 PM	#17
Number 6 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 70	Well, as the CM/FM series has always modelled AI managers, perhaps it's something Markus might pick up from SI for OOTP7. I agree it would be a nice feature.

01-16-2005, 05:08 AM	#18
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> This would be so much fun! This occurs in > Madden football (for psx 2) and I love it. > Jerry Rice is now my head coach (after > being promoted from Off. Coord. Championship Manager / Football Manager has had this built in forever. In fact, as they get older, players often get a "Player/Manager" clause in their contracts whereby if they get offered a shot to player-manager someplace, they get right out of their contracts and go. Their "player" aspect eventually retired, but the manager part (along with the manager history) keeps going on. Kinda cool with old Championship Manager back to go through 30 seasons and watch the old guard of Sir Alex & Co. retire after a time and players Shearer go into managing careers. Hopefully it's something that OOTP can lift from them in their association with the Football Manager family. There's an absolute crapload of things in CM/FM that would make OOTP more enjoyable. I think one of the problems with baseball is that it is so massively stat intensive that one can see it eat up a lot of database size. John

01-16-2005, 05:09 AM	#19
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Ooops... I missed Number 6's post. I will now write "I will read the entire thread before responding" 100 times on the chalkboard. John

01-16-2005, 11:00 AM	#20
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	does anyone remember in Earl Weaver, that you could answer a series of 67 or so questions that would ask about game situations and what you (or the manager you are emulating) would do in those situations? You could develop all sorts of manager personalities and have them concentrate on different things. I'd love to see something like this for OOTP. I'd also like to see something like this for the AI GM's... maybe he's a Jim Bowden type and loves toolsy outfielders and makes crappy trades... you could create an AI-Scheurholz, an AI-Beane, an AI-Cashman, an AI-Epstein, etc, etc.... would do wonders for the solo leagues...