2022-23 NFL Season Discussion Thread - Page 30

monkeyman576 · 01-09-2023, 11:28 PM

Some hills aren't worth dying on? In any universe, the Texans still fire Smith when they start 0-4 next year.

Cobra Mgr · 01-09-2023, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Some hills aren't worth dying on? In any universe, the Texans still fire Smith when they start 0-4 next year.

Does anyone think the Texans were less than 3 years away from respectability @ the start of 2022? Houston was obviously the worst team in the AFC South. THE AFC SOUTH! No one thought they had a chance to come out of the cellar in the frikkin' AFC South. They had the 3 win Jags in their division and it still wasn't a close call. Lovie was hired to be fired.

pilight · 01-09-2023, 11:55 PM

The Texans will remain bad as long as Nick Caserio is there

pilight · 01-10-2023, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

IMO, the Bears should do one of two things, and keeping the pick and not drafting a QB isn't one of them. But hey, these are the Bears we're talking about.

1. Draft Bryce Young.
2. Trade the 1st overall for a king's ransom.

They should trade the pick. Half the playoff teams are going to be starting QBs who weren't drafted in the first round, unless Lamar Jackson is actually ready to play. Only three will be starting QBs drafted in the top five picks.

thehef · 01-10-2023, 12:16 AM

Lovie Smith was a victim of the Brian Flores' situation... It was fairly common knowledge that the Texan's first choice as head coach last February was Josh McCown, with Smith and Flores also on the short list (possibly only on the short list to fulfill Rooney Rule requirements). But when Flores' filed his lawsuit against the NFL (and the Giants, Broncos, and Dolphins), the Texans obviously weren't going to hire him. They also surely realized that - in light of the Flores' lawsuit and a sports media that was very sympathetic to Flores' supposed cause - they'd be skewered for hiring a white guy with no coaching experience.

Thus, the last man standing was Smith. And who really knows, but it probably occurred to the Texan's front office that there wasn't much difference between rebuilding with McCown, and utilizing Smith for a single tank year (then hiring someone they really wanted for the long haul, and reaping those draft benefits), and to escape any Flores-related media wrath... This all seems so blatant (to me, anyway), that it's probably going to be difficult now for the Texas to hire anyone other than a black guy or other minority. Only now their aim will likely be for one of the young, in-demand, hot-shot minorities.

Cobra Mgr · 01-10-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thehef

Lovie Smith was a victim of the Brian Flores' situation... It was fairly common knowledge that the Texan's first choice as head coach last February was Josh McCown, with Smith and Flores also on the short list (possibly only on the short list to fulfill Rooney Rule requirements). But when Flores' filed his lawsuit against the NFL (and the Giants, Broncos, and Dolphins), the Texans obviously weren't going to hire him. They also surely realized that - in light of the Flores' lawsuit and a sports media that was very sympathetic to Flores' supposed cause - they'd be skewered for hiring a white guy with no coaching experience.

Thus, the last man standing was Smith. And who really knows, but it probably occurred to the Texan's front office that there wasn't much difference between rebuilding with McCown, and utilizing Smith for a single tank year (then hiring someone they really wanted for the long haul, and reaping those draft benefits), and to escape any Flores-related media wrath... This all seems so blatant (to me, anyway), that it's probably going to be difficult now for the Texas to hire anyone other than a black guy or other minority. Only now their aim will likely be for one of the young, in-demand, hot-shot minorities.

I agree w/allof this except the last sentence. No minority is "in demand". That fact has always been the problem.

Ragnar · 01-10-2023, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pilight

They should trade the pick. Half the playoff teams are going to be starting QBs who weren't drafted in the first round, unless Lamar Jackson is actually ready to play. Only three will be starting QBs drafted in the top five picks.

If I'm the owner of the Bears I draft Bryce Young with the 1st overall pick. Only because they haven't had a good QB in like 50 years. This is their chance.

If they want to stick with Fields, then they're going to have to go with a similar gameplan as the Eagles RPO run heavy plan utilizing the QB.

No doubt this can work, as seen in 2019 with the Ravens. And now with the Eagles. But It's not something easily maintained. You need everything ideal around you. Great OL, really good WRs, a good defense, on and on.

pilight · 01-10-2023, 11:06 AM

If you really believe Bryce Young is that guy then you draft him. If you're not 100% sure, trade down. You can get a QB good enough to win with later in the draft, often much later.

I am not sold on Young.

Déjà Bru · 01-10-2023, 11:08 AM

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Syd Thrift · 01-10-2023, 12:56 PM

Justin Fields looked fine, or at the very least not the reason why the Bears were awful last year. They desperately need defensive help and while I don’t think there’s really a defender worthy of the first overall pick there are two top 5 level guys and Chicago does have a history of over drafting (see: Mitch Trubisky). I’d expect them to trade down with someone like the Colts but it wouldn’t be completely uncalled for that they keep the top pick and draft defense.

Cobra Mgr · 01-10-2023, 01:02 PM

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thehef · 01-10-2023, 01:55 PM

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I agree w/allof this except the last sentence. No minority is "in demand". That fact has always been the problem.

Well, the full pre-qualifier - young, in-demand, hot-shot - means it's going to be very short list and by definition excludes many retreads of any race who will still be interviewed (and some of whom will land jobs). But on that short list of probably no more than 4 or 5 guys total will certainly be black guys DeMeco Ryans and Ejiro Evero. So that's not bad representation, and I'd be shocked if Ryans (who, smartly IMO, has apparently removed himself from consideration for the Texans job) isn't the HC of an NFL team next year. Evero might be seen as needing another year as a DC...

What minority coaches should be on that list but isn't/won't be? (I'd say that Brian Flores could have been had he played his cards differently...)

Syd Thrift · 01-10-2023, 02:03 PM

Eric Bienemy, apparently

thehef · 01-10-2023, 03:21 PM

Yep, I almost added Bienemy to the list but didn't because a) I'm not sure that he's being mentioned yet in the same breath as Ryans & Evero, and b) he's been on the annual lists for awhile now, so I'm not sure he fits the "young, in-demand, hot-shot" bill...

dsvitak · 01-10-2023, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

They should trade the pick. Half the playoff teams are going to be starting QBs who weren't drafted in the first round, unless Lamar Jackson is actually ready to play. Only three will be starting QBs drafted in the top five picks.

I agree. You end up with a Tua, or Trevor Lawrence, who don't have an O-line to protect them.

Trade for a 1st and 3rd, take two OL, and take a decent QB with your second pick. There are dozens of college QB's that would work OK with a strong offensive line.

pilight · 01-10-2023, 09:59 PM

You're lucky if you get Lawrence or Tagovailoa. You're more likely to get Mitch Trubisky or Sam Darnold or JaMarcus Russell.

thehef · 01-10-2023, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

You're lucky if you get Lawrence or Tagovailoa. You're more likely to get Mitch Trubisky or Sam Darnold or JaMarcus Russell.

Ouch. Vince Young is probably the better one to have on the more likely to get list than JaMarcus "right up there with Ryan Leaf as busts of all QB busts" Russell

pilight · 01-11-2023, 04:30 PM

The average draft position for this weekend's starting QBs is #86. That's assuming Lamar Jackson is able to go.

Cobra Mgr · 01-11-2023, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

The average draft position for this weekend's starting QBs is #86. That's assuming Lamar Jackson is able to go.

I don't think that is an indication that a good QB can be found lower in the draft. But more to how sorry the state of the position is right now in the NFL. You've got Mr Irrelevant & Brady bringing the averages down. KC, Buff, Cincy, NYG, LAC, Jax, Balt all start 1st rd QB's. Half the playoff teams. Miami & SF would be if not for injuries. Hurts & Geno are 2nd rounders. That's 11 out of 14 before the 3rd round.

pilight · 01-11-2023, 09:45 PM

Jimmy Garoppolo isn't a first rounder. If SF had started Trey Lance all year they wouldn't be in the playoffs, as he was quite terrible.

A good enough QB can be found later in the draft, or at least later in the first round. The clamor to take a QB at the top even when they're not good enough to justify that high a ranking is ridiculous.

01-10-2023, 11:08 AM	#589
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01-09-2023, 11:28 PM	#581
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,692	Some hills aren't worth dying on? In any universe, the Texans still fire Smith when they start 0-4 next year.

01-09-2023, 11:55 PM	#583
pilight Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 2,045	The Texans will remain bad as long as Nick Caserio is there

01-10-2023, 12:16 AM	#585
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,380	Lovie Smith was a victim of the Brian Flores' situation... It was fairly common knowledge that the Texan's first choice as head coach last February was Josh McCown, with Smith and Flores also on the short list (possibly only on the short list to fulfill Rooney Rule requirements). But when Flores' filed his lawsuit against the NFL (and the Giants, Broncos, and Dolphins), the Texans obviously weren't going to hire him. They also surely realized that - in light of the Flores' lawsuit and a sports media that was very sympathetic to Flores' supposed cause - they'd be skewered for hiring a white guy with no coaching experience. Thus, the last man standing was Smith. And who really knows, but it probably occurred to the Texan's front office that there wasn't much difference between rebuilding with McCown, and utilizing Smith for a single tank year (then hiring someone they really wanted for the long haul, and reaping those draft benefits), and to escape any Flores-related media wrath... This all seems so blatant (to me, anyway), that it's probably going to be difficult now for the Texas to hire anyone other than a black guy or other minority. Only now their aim will likely be for one of the young, in-demand, hot-shot minorities.

01-10-2023, 11:06 AM	#588
pilight Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 2,045	If you really believe Bryce Young is that guy then you draft him. If you're not 100% sure, trade down. You can get a QB good enough to win with later in the draft, often much later. I am not sold on Young.

01-10-2023, 03:21 PM	#594
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,380	Yep, I almost added Bienemy to the list but didn't because a) I'm not sure that he's being mentioned yet in the same breath as Ryans & Evero, and b) he's been on the annual lists for awhile now, so I'm not sure he fits the "young, in-demand, hot-shot" bill...

01-10-2023, 09:59 PM	#596
pilight Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 2,045	You're lucky if you get Lawrence or Tagovailoa. You're more likely to get Mitch Trubisky or Sam Darnold or JaMarcus Russell.

01-11-2023, 04:30 PM	#598
pilight Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 2,045	The average draft position for this weekend's starting QBs is #86. That's assuming Lamar Jackson is able to go.

01-11-2023, 09:45 PM	#600
pilight Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 2,045	Jimmy Garoppolo isn't a first rounder. If SF had started Trey Lance all year they wouldn't be in the playoffs, as he was quite terrible. A good enough QB can be found later in the draft, or at least later in the first round. The clamor to take a QB at the top even when they're not good enough to justify that high a ranking is ridiculous.