The Future of OOTP

[DJ_Jak_32]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

Instead of attacking me for a change look what ootpd did do. No where did Markus ever state it had anything to do with laws just Com2us said remove. Anything beyond that is speculation.

They removed key elements of a game we paid for without replacing it. It's not my job to ask for custom files or mods. Or load up.ootp 22 to export Japan. It is ootpd responsibility to replace whatever they removed with a fictional setup to give us what we paid for.

Stop deflecting and trying to bring the conversation around to me. Focus on how bad ootpd customer service was and is.

We paid for Japan and it's Indy leagues if you can't give us real patch in fictional wizard. If not it is lazy development and awful customer service.

Stay on topic, the discussion is about ootpd not whatever you feel about me and my comments. I won't side track the thread and go off topic. If y'all want to go off topic and attack me. That's up to you. It's nice knowing I live rent free in your minds.

Stay on topic.

Speaking of free...when should we expect that stream you promised?

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

Instead of attacking me for a change look what ootpd did do. No where did Markus ever state it had anything to do with laws just Com2us said remove. Anything beyond that is speculation.

They removed key elements of a game we paid for without replacing it. It's not my job to ask for custom files or mods. Or load up.ootp 22 to export Japan. It is ootpd responsibility to replace whatever they removed with a fictional setup to give us what we paid for.

Stop deflecting and trying to bring the conversation around to me. Focus on how bad ootpd customer service was and is.

We paid for Japan and it's Indy leagues if you can't give us real patch in fictional wizard. If not it is lazy development and awful customer service.

Stay on topic, the discussion is about ootpd not whatever you feel about me and my comments. I won't side track the thread and go off topic. If y'all want to go off topic and attack me. That's up to you. It's nice knowing I live rent free in your minds.

Stay on topic.

Key elements? Lmao I am willing to bet you couldn't name 3 *** national born players from the 2022 season if your life depended on it

I know it goes against your whine fest, but what do you get about short notice, holiday season and the fact the development cycle is over for 23? Let's wait and see if there is a fictional setup for 24. You think if this was EA that they would make a major patch with less than 2 months prior to dropping a new Madden beta?

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by kq76

I'm just curious here, but if a company in one country sues a company based in another country, can they choose which country to sue them in? I understand, one would assume the suing company would sue in the country they're based in, but if say Korean law was actually more favourable to their case than Japanese law, could the league actually sue in Korea? Heck, could they sue in some other country? My thinking is, also, what good might it be to sue in your own country if your own country has no teeth to do anything to that company?

Rather than go through an upper-level law-school course on civil procedure, I'll just summarize by saying "it's complicated." You have a Japanese league up against a German subsidiary of a Korean company that does most of its business in the US. I don't pretend to know all of the permutations of that scenario, but, in general, you sue somebody where the injury occurred. So if the infringement occurred in Japan, *** would sue in Japan under Japanese law. If *** alleged infringement in the US, it would have to sue in the US under US law.

[pauwoo]

You know what, now that I think about it... I've been perusing the "explore world" function and noticed that several towns/municipalities in the great state of Washington seem to be missing from the game. I paid for these cities. All of them, and I won't stand for this malfeasance. The software that I paid for with my semi-hard earned cash has been burgled. Today it was Japan & three small towns in Washington State, tomorrow... the world.

Friends, join me, and that other guy... we're fighting for our right to play the game without having to create custom leagues, for our right as Americans to have all the leagues. And should we win the day, today will no longer be known as New Years Eve, but as the day the OOTP boards declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to play Japanese Independent leagues until we're fluent in Japanese!"

Happy New Years everyone. Pour a sip or two out for the Fighters, the Buffaloes, Tigers, Swallows, and the Matsuda family's Carp... always forward, never straight Gentlemen!

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

They removed key elements of a game we paid for without replacing it.

They did remove two leagues. But you didn't buy the leagues. You bought software, or more strictly speaking, you bought a license to use OOTP under certain terms and conditions. I'd wager that that user software license is conditioned upon enforcement of OOTP licenses and the licenses of the various leagues. So, if it is, nothing is owed because what you bought includes all the fine print to remove unlicensed leagues, if required.

You have a stronger gripe with regard to the fact that no fictional league with fictional players was set-up in the same patch that removed the Japanese leagues... but to the extent that it would be a fictional league standing out among all the other real leagues, there is a case to be made for keeping it out of the Standard start-up. But right now, good people are working on alternate world Japanese league mods and others have taken the time to set-aside v102 quickstarts etc. So even as you go on and on (yet again), there are others in the community that have more than gripes to offer. Those members are actively offering help and insight on how to remodel/replace those lost leagues.

Gripes come cheap. Building something is hard.

[Jwalk100]

I think jimmysthebestcop is really Markus. He's just trolling everyone.

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

Instead of attacking me for a change look what ootpd did do. No where did Markus ever state it had anything to do with laws just Com2us said remove. Anything beyond that is speculation.

They removed key elements of a game we paid for without replacing it. It's not my job to ask for custom files or mods. Or load up.ootp 22 to export Japan. It is ootpd responsibility to replace whatever they removed with a fictional setup to give us what we paid for.

Stop deflecting and trying to bring the conversation around to me. Focus on how bad ootpd customer service was and is.

We paid for Japan and it's Indy leagues if you can't give us real patch in fictional wizard. If not it is lazy development and awful customer service.

Stay on topic, the discussion is about ootpd not whatever you feel about me and my comments. I won't side track the thread and go off topic. If y'all want to go off topic and attack me. That's up to you. It's nice knowing I live rent free in your minds.

Stay on topic.

From Markus.
Hello everyone,

I need to share some sad news today. We recently had a talk with our parent company Com2uS about the [league redacted], and Com2uS asked us to remove all the data concerning this unlicensed league from OOTP. The reason is updated Com2uS license policies regarding the *** data.

So, moving forward, we will remove the *** from the game via an upcoming patch (probably tomorrow) and also remove all ***-related mods from our official mods forum. I am sorry for the inconvenience this causes for users that liked the *** to be part of their virtual baseball universe.

We will do our best in the future to find a way so that the *** will eventually return to OOTP.
___It is not speculation ________

[jimmysthebestcop]

LMAO Yall have literally discussed me for nearly 3 pages of this thread.

It shouldnt be up to mods to fix a problem or the users job to fix that is the DEVS jobs. You do not remove something from a bought and paid for game and not replace it with something. Plain and simple. IF you dont get that basica concept then you dont understand customer service.

Com2Us gave OOTPd a directive they complied but they didnt offer anything to the user to replace what they removed. That is bad customer service. Instead of acknowledging that face you continue to discuss me for some reason. Have fun discussing me if that is what yall like to do.

Facts of th case
1, Comn2Us told OOTPd to remove leagues
2. OOtPd removed the leagues
3. OOTPD didnt replace the removed leagues with anything at all
4. The user base paid for that inclusion and many months later it was removed with little to no warning.
5. IT was bad customer service

Those are the undisputed facts. Relying on users or users who create mods to replace what the devs could not replace isnt a sign of good dev customer service.

But again go right ahead and discuss me for another 3 pages. It is absolutely hilarious. Have fun

[Fabtron7]

This thread is the equivalent of people rioting because McDonalds took the sesame seeds off the bun of their Big Mac...

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

This thread is the equivalent of people rioting because McDonalds took the sesame seeds off the bun of their Big Mac...

I think you’re grossly underestimating what sesame seeds bring to the table.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

Those are the undisputed facts.

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

Buy FM, install FM, Click start and play. No setup. No billion configurations to play with.

Is this another one of your undisputed facts? Still no reply and there never will be. Not surprised, you are the king of making up facts, being called on them, and never respond. Sometimes you edit the post to only have your words survive in quotes. Most of the time you just go silent figuring your ignorant words will just fade away and be forgotten.

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

I think you’re grossly underestimating what sesame seeds bring to the table.

They are deliciously microscopic flavour dots.

[zappa1]

I had diverticulitis. I can't have seeds.

[oldfatbaldguy]

If Jimmy is the best cop we have, we need changes at the academy.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

LMAO Yall have literally discussed me for nearly 3 pages of this thread.

It shouldnt be up to mods to fix a problem or the users job to fix that is the DEVS jobs. You do not remove something from a bought and paid for game and not replace it with something. Plain and simple. IF you dont get that basica concept then you dont understand customer service.

Com2Us gave OOTPd a directive they complied but they didnt offer anything to the user to replace what they removed. That is bad customer service. Instead of acknowledging that face you continue to discuss me for some reason. Have fun discussing me if that is what yall like to do.

Facts of th case
1, Comn2Us told OOTPd to remove leagues
2. OOtPd removed the leagues
3. OOTPD didnt replace the removed leagues with anything at all
4. The user base paid for that inclusion and many months later it was removed with little to no warning.
5. IT was bad customer service

Those are the undisputed facts. Relying on users or users who create mods to replace what the devs could not replace isnt a sign of good dev customer service.

But again go right ahead and discuss me for another 3 pages. It is absolutely hilarious. Have fun

You've been offered rhe solution amd refuse to respond so I for one am done with you and whining

[rwd59]

Seems to be a dead horse beater in here.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by rwd59

Seems to be a dead horse beater in here.

With the beating that poor animal has taken? I think we're talking Horse Puree by now.

[PSUColonel]

I smell glue

[BIG17EASY]

Yet another thread that should be closed. Well done, guys.

[zappa1]

Trying for a record, I think.