Competitive balance discussion

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Meg4byt3

I'd like to make it known that My Armadillos, with modest investment (under $50 for card packs) won the Perfect League Series, as the wild card with zero perfect players and with defeating many teams more heavily invested in.

Did you get lucky with packs? Did you make a lot of PP flipping cards?

I know it's possible, but it's very unlikely that my team will have more than a .300 winning percentage from what I've seen with perfect league rosters. I spent about $50 also.

I'm also going to assume that perfect leagues are going to get tougher and tougher until pretty much every team actually is a perfect team.

[Meg4byt3]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

This seems like the best possible scenario for the small money teams. Might I ask, how was your pack luck?

I did get some decent diamonds (Cliff Lee, Aaron Judge, Edwin Diaz) and lucked out getting Ozzie Smith but I have sold gold cards that weren't producing how I wanted them or didn't fit. I had both Matt Chapman and Josh Donaldson and sold Chapman to fund the rest of the team.

[Meg4byt3]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

Did you get lucky with packs? Did you make a lot of PP flipping cards?

I know it's possible, but it's very unlikely that my team will have more than a .300 winning percentage from what I've seen with perfect league rosters. I spent about $50 also.

I'm also going to assume that perfect leagues are going to get tougher and tougher until pretty much every team actually is a perfect team.

I did have some luck with my packs but I never spent more that a few thousand on a card from the market.

I think most people seem to be hung up on the overall rating and not looking at the underlying ratings. My Ozzie Smith has gone toe to toe with Mike Trout on the WAR leaderboard.

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Meg4byt3

I did have some luck with my packs but I never spent more that a few thousand on a card from the market.

I think most people seem to be hung up on the overall rating and not looking at the underlying ratings. My Ozzie Smith has gone toe to toe with Mike Trout on the WAR leaderboard.

But at perfect, you have to worry about teams that have the best versions of Bonds, Ruth, Pedro, Maddux, Wagner, Brouthers, etc. more than you have to worry about Trout. And if you are in a division with 2-3 other teams like that, good luck to your Ozzie Smith. There are teams that have Mike Trout on reserve, they're that good. Maybe you lucked out with a relatively easy division and yeah anything can happen in the playoffs, but I wouldn't expect it to happen again.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

I know it's possible, but it's very unlikely that my team will have more than a .300 winning percentage from what I've seen with perfect league rosters. I spent about $50 also.

I'm also going to assume that perfect leagues are going to get tougher and tougher until pretty much every team actually is a perfect team.

Hang in there. I thought this last week, but pulled a much weaker conference this time around (only two mega-whales). Maybe I'll have a shot at the wild card.

[Meg4byt3]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

But at perfect, you have to worry about teams that have the best versions of Bonds, Ruth, Pedro, Maddux, Wagner, Brouthers, etc. more than you have to worry about Trout. And if you are in a division with 2-3 other teams like that, good luck to your Ozzie Smith. There are teams that have Mike Trout on reserve, they're that good. Maybe you lucked out with a relatively easy division and yeah anything can happen in the playoffs, but I wouldn't expect it to happen again.

I currently lead my division in P406 and Ozzie is having a great year so far nearly 3 WAR halfway through June.

[matingly23]

Originally Posted by bailey

If F2P teams are getting crushed, it may motivate those owners to spend some $$. The company has no incentive to cater to F2P folks.

Or it may motivate owners to stop playing.

From my experiences, I would need to cough up hundreds of $$ to have any chance against the Whale I've had in my pond the last week and this week.

If this game costs hundreds of $$ to be fair/competitive, then forget it.

[matingly23]

Originally Posted by Westheim

The old problem. People can only have "fun" when they are the ones stomping other teams. It is a weak disposition and a bad attitude, and I don't see why developers should cater to those that whine the loudest.
.

No, and you're just a broken record at this point.

All I ask for is a fair chance. I lost in Bronze happily. I lost in Silver unfairly.

[matingly23]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

If you ever get promoted to a Perfect League, you will have a heart attack as soon as you see all the teams that you have to play every day of the season.

No, I really won't, I expect those teams to have a lot of 100 cards and to have to bounce back and forth between Diamond and Perfect for a while to belong there. Perfect = 100.

Silver = 70-80. Not 15 100 cards and 10 90-100 cards.

The Whale I was against had 60+ cards on the reserve roster and the lowest rating there was 80.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by matingly23

No, and you're just a broken record at this point.

I find it sad that the irony of this eludes you, despite your harp having but a single string to pluck.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by Meg4byt3

I currently lead my division in P406 and Ozzie is having a great year so far nearly 3 WAR halfway through June.

Haha, we are in the same league. Humboldt Green here.


Honestly though, no offense intended, but you are pretty lucky to be leading your division. I think our league is on the weaker side (at least compared to my last week it is) and your division is even weaker. You're also significantly overperforming your run differential so far (+6 over pythag).


Ozzie is killing it for you though, no doubt. That season he put up in diamond is insane! I'm rocking several silver players myself, and I'd definitely agree that people get hung up too much on OVR.

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

Wow. Yeah pack luck is really a huge part of it. I spent $40 myself (opened 50 packs from that alone...probably 70-80 packs total) and have just never pulled any card that moved the needle a whole lot. The best I got from all those packs was one diamond card worth the minimum 4k (Kris Bryant). Just bad luck I guess

I wouldn't call this bad luck as it is just as likely to happen (if not more so) than pulling multiple Diamond's. More like an expected result.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

I wouldn't call this bad luck as it is just as likely to happen (if not more so) than pulling multiple Diamond's. More like an expected result.

Well technically...if the odds for a diamond card are 1 in 150, that means on average you pull one every 25 packs, right? So average luck would have had me pulling 3 or so diamonds out of 70-80 packs. Just one diamond, and minimum value at that, does seem legit bad.

[Meg4byt3]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

Haha, we are in the same league. Humboldt Green here.


Honestly though, no offense intended, but you are pretty lucky to be leading your division. I think our league is on the weaker side (at least compared to my last week it is) and your division is even weaker. You're also significantly overperforming your run differential so far (+6 over pythag).


Ozzie is killing it for you though, no doubt. That season he put up in diamond is insane! I'm rocking several silver players myself, and I'd definitely agree that people get hung up too much on OVR.

Thanks. I do know that I'm getting lucky with my string of 1 run wins but i do think that it is my bullpen that's letting me over-perform.

Edit: I just remembered, anyone who sees this post; Stop using closers and use stoppers instead. Let your best reliever pitch in the most innings that he can.

[thakfu]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

I wouldn't call this bad luck as it is just as likely to happen (if not more so) than pulling multiple Diamond's. More like an expected result.

Yup... I'm about in the same boat. Stuck $40 in, bought a bunch of packs between that and winnings, pulled 2 diamonds, a few decent value golds.

I've been working the market quite a bit though, my team is mostly golds but I have 3 diamonds all from auction house (Kershaw, Reuschel, Yelich). I'm in my second year of perfect but it's looking like I'm getting demoted at the end of this season.

I think at this point my best option is to keep cracking packs as I get achievements and hope for a big hit. Althought I'm kicking around selling Kershaw as he has been a huge bust for me thus far. Gonna see how he does next season in Diamond league.

[DonkeyKongSr]

Originally Posted by thakfu

Yup... I'm about in the same boat. Stuck $40 in, bought a bunch of packs between that and winnings, pulled 2 diamonds, a few decent value golds.

I've been working the market quite a bit though, my team is mostly golds but I have 3 diamonds all from auction house (Kershaw, Reuschel, Yelich). I'm in my second year of perfect but it's looking like I'm getting demoted at the end of this season.

I think at this point my best option is to keep cracking packs as I get achievements and hope for a big hit. Althought I'm kicking around selling Kershaw as he has been a huge bust for me thus far. Gonna see how he does next season in Diamond league.

The thing is that pack pulls are pretty much a waste of money unless you hit the lottery. $40 will buy you Trout + Betts right now. $100 can get you Trout, Betts, Sale, deGrom, & more.

[thakfu]

Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

The thing is that pack pulls are pretty much a waste of money unless you hit the lottery. $40 will buy you Trout + Betts right now. $100 can get you Trout, Betts, Sale, deGrom, & more.

The $40 was 2 purchases of $20 at different points, in both instances I did a combination of packs and players. I never really intended to spend more than $20 and I'm not gonna put anymore money into this year's game at this point. I guess I couldn't justify sticking that much money into it just to get 1 or 2 players. Plus I was still building my roster at the time. I'm pretty happy with my team build, but we are not a Perfect Level team at all. I don't really think it makes much sense for me to throw another $20 in just to get Trout or Betts. Although for me my bigger need is pitching, and as it is my most expensive starter has been my worst over 2 seasons in Perfect. LOL

I'm pretty much content to see how I do at diamond level. I actually was a wildcard team 2 seasons ago in Diamond and didn't suck too bad my first season at Perfect.

[omniart]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

Well technically...if the odds for a diamond card are 1 in 150, that means on average you pull one every 25 packs, right? So average luck would have had me pulling 3 or so diamonds out of 70-80 packs. Just one diamond, and minimum value at that, does seem legit bad.

One card in every Standard Pack is guaranteed to be Bronze; one card in every Gold Pack is guaranteed to be Gold. A Diamond card can only come from one of the other five cards. So that would mean, on average, one diamond in every 30 packs.

[Dogberry99]

Reading through this thread makes me truly realize just how incredibly toxic this entire community is.

[whobob]

Whales vs. free to play happens in every pay-to-win game that I've seen. This one isn't different somehow.