Update 11.2.17 released - Page 3

kckid4u · 07-16-2010, 09:18 PM

Can a patch be put out that doesn't include any "fixes" to facegen? I appreciate the efforts to fix the original problems, but it was working fine for most of us after completing the work around after the initial install of the game. I'd like to be able to take advantage of the other fixes the patch completed, but I don't want to have all my players facegen images all messed up. Maybe a "Patch-lite?"

hawaiiansky · 07-16-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kckid4u

Can a patch be put out that doesn't include any "fixes" to facegen? I appreciate the efforts to fix the original problems, but it was working fine for most of us after completing the work around after the initial install of the game. I'd like to be able to take advantage of the other fixes the patch completed, but I don't want to have all my players facegen images all messed up. Maybe a "Patch-lite?"

My feelings exactly!

Sweed · 07-16-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Think I'll stick with 11.2.15 for now.

Are you getting the 10 year stats on the back of baseball cards with .15? Wasn't sure if that was an OOTP thing or something with BMW's initial release of the 1974 set.

I don't think you're missing anything as long as you're getting the stats on the baseball card and not having issues with facegen.

hawaiiansky · 07-16-2010, 10:09 PM

(Added additional tokens to the baseball card customization options (Baseball cards can now show season stats for current season plus each of the previous 9 seasons, and change colors of images))

Do we have access to these customization options when we create a card? Can we pick the color of the cards? Do we have a choice in card styles with this update? How do we switch from generic to the bb frame 1 card style?

Libid21 · 07-16-2010, 11:58 PM

Any Mac updates yet?

bosunmate · 07-17-2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bosunmate

No when i go to About it says 11.2.17 windows, but you are right about version 1.1 i deleted them and now will reinstall to see...

After doing a complete install i now have baseball cards showing stats. So it looks like the last patch messed things up a little...

Andreas Raht · 07-17-2010, 05:31 AM

11.2.15 brought a lot of fixes and improvements. But it also brought a problem with Facegen pictures: changes made to PhotoFit (fg files) pictures did not "stick". OOTP always reloaded the Photofit file after making any changes to hair style or beard setting. So we decided to release a minor update 11.2.17 after some testing, which also included a much improved baseball card set.

11.2.15 and 11.2.17 can be used together in online leagues.

We released the patch as a quick update for those who wanted or needed the mentioned bug fix. The full setup installers will follow ASAP.

If there are still problems with a Facegen feature, I need exact descriptions of the problems which I can reproduce, to find a fix for them.

To replace a baseball card set with another one, you have to download the files from the mods forum and manually replace your current files in folder /bb_cards with them. We will add a bb cards section to the manual ASAP. Currently, if you want to customize bb cards, you have to look at the XML files coming with the game and customize them. It's not too difficult to understand the syntax.

Andreas Raht · 07-17-2010, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TPinrose

For leagues with both pc and mac users, are .15 and .17 compatible?

Yes, they are compatible.

md5423 · 07-17-2010, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Raht

Yes, they are compatible.

good, so it won't mess up the exports or anything?

Afino · 07-17-2010, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by md5423

good, so it won't mess up the exports or anything?

I would think as long as the commish/simmer is on .17, exports from both .15 and .17 would be good.

Andreas Raht · 07-17-2010, 10:21 AM

It does not matter at all if the commish or a GM uses .15 or .17

Gambo · 07-17-2010, 10:34 AM

For the facegen issues I do recommend this.

Since there have been multiple changes to the facegen set up there may be some incompatability with your league/existing facegen pics.

1. Backup your data and addons.
2. Do a complete reinstall of the game. (Most people would actually recommend this anyway for any patch)
3. Put your addons back in the game. (Photos and Fg_files directory)

For your leagues...
1. Remove all non-fictional photos/facegens from your html/images directory
2. Put the league back in the saved games directory
3. Open the league in the game.

I'm willing to bet this will solve most of your facegen problems.

You have to realize that if you do a "quick patch" of your league, then it's going to cause problems just like a "quick patch" of the game will also.

I can tell you that in beta, we realized that many of the facegen issues people we were seeing with .16 and .17 were caused by this.

Now after these steps, if you have problems give a clear description and how to replicate it and the developers can see what needs to be fixed.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Are you getting the 10 year stats on the back of baseball cards with .15? Wasn't sure if that was an OOTP thing or something with BMW's initial release of the 1974 set.

I don't think you're missing anything as long as you're getting the stats on the baseball card and not having issues with facegen.

I installed .17 last night.. I'm only a little over one season in my league, so I couldn't test that with .15.

So far, everything seems fine to me.

Ambermonk · 07-17-2010, 01:04 PM

Am I correct in understanding that the only way to correct the problems caused by 2.15 & 2.17 is to reinstall the program and re-import all of the mods like ballparks & jerseys? That seems like a very inelegant solution.

I certainly think that OOTP should release a patch that corrects the mistakes made on the two previous patches.

This situation reminds me of the old Gahon Wilson cartoon of the kids on the corner that were selling 'lemonade' for 10 cents a glass. Around the corner there was another stand where kids were selling 'lemonade antidote' for 5 dollars!

Gambo · 07-17-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambermonk

Am I correct in understanding that the only way to correct the problems caused by 2.15 & 2.17 is to reinstall the program and re-import all of the mods like ballparks & jerseys? That seems like a very inelegant solution.

I certainly think that OOTP should release a patch that corrects the mistakes made on the two previous patches.

This situation reminds me of the old Gahon Wilson cartoon of the kids on the corner that were selling 'lemonade' for 10 cents a glass. Around the corner there was another stand where kids were selling 'lemonade antidote' for 5 dollars!

The .17 patch fixes the .15 problems (facegen)

As for reimporting, there is no need.

1st of all, it appears that the majority of users are not having problems, there are a few cases but from what i'm seeing on the board (keep in mind...not a programmer) it appears that most of the issues are being caused my incompatibility of the facegens across leagues created in different versions. This probably has to do with how the images are "flagged" in each version.

To clear this up it just may be easiest to have the league reimport the photos and facegens. This would clear the "flags" once and for all and there should no longer be any issues in your league.

The remainder of the issues appear to be from the game not updating correctly with the patch. Again, the majority of people are not having an issue but some are. This is not necessarily a programming issue.

The best solution for any patch in any game or program is always to do a fresh install (Back in the days this was always recommended but nowadays I guess not) as this ensures that all files and portions of files are up to date. It also removes the issues of the computer not updating files/cfgs/etc that isolated to specific computer settings and bios and drivers and O/S.

There is a reason this is called a patch. "Patches" patch existing files but are not the best solution. A new install is always the best way as it ensures everything has the most up to date issues. The origins of the term "patch" is that they allowed the user to temporarily continue using a program until a new version that implements these updates are released. So the best option with OOTP11 would be patch until you have the opportunity to reinstall the full program that includes .17.

So no you do not need to do a fresh install and import of all the mods. (BTW, you never do, just move the mods to a separate directory and move them back in after you reinstall). The mods all exist outside of the games files and are not included or affected by patches. They all work the same no matter what version you use.

georgehounddog · 07-17-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambermonk

I'm sorry to note that, after installing 11.2.17, when I continue my existing fictional league the 'same picture' and 'change beard' options still have not been returned.

I'm seeing the same thing. Did you patch to .15 and then to .17? I'm wondering if the menu issue exists if you patch directly to .17 and skip .15.

Regardless, I shouldn't have to do any sort of work around to get the menu back - especially if it involves creating new pictures for players I've been following in a league originally created using OOTP 2006. Surely this is something that should be automatically fixed by a patch.

mickey7 · 07-17-2010, 02:54 PM

Gambo I appreciate your words of wisdom, but I did a full install, my problem is not fg but actual photos(don't use and won't use fg) some of them show in game but most are replaced by team logos and a few by fg. All the photos are in the images file but they have not been renamed to player_xx as the patch is suppossed to do and are still first_name Last-name as well as player_xx. The photos not showing are both naming conventions not just one. New games function fine but all saved games have problems with displaying photos. Some of these saved games were created in 9 some in X and some in 11 and all have the same issue.

RandyTiger · 07-17-2010, 02:57 PM

Stuff like this is why I'm not going to purchase the game until the end of the year from now on, because the aggro these patches cause is more than I want to deal with.

I love OOTP, but this has gotten ridiculous. I'll still buy the game, it'll just be at the end of the patch cycle/off-season.

reds1869 · 07-17-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyTiger

Stuff like this is why I'm not going to purchase the game until the end of the year from now on, because the aggro these patches cause is more than I want to deal with.

I love OOTP, but this has gotten ridiculous. I'll still buy the game, it'll just be at the end of the patch cycle/off-season.

You must really hate console games. Twice the bugs, half the customer service. I'll take the OOTP team any day.

RandyTiger · 07-17-2010, 03:30 PM

Don't bother with console games.

As I said, I'll still get OOTP and play it. I'm just gonna wait until the patches are all out to get it.

Besides, it'll give me more time with previous version.

07-16-2010, 10:09 PM	#44
hawaiiansky Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 474	Baseball card questions (Added additional tokens to the baseball card customization options (Baseball cards can now show season stats for current season plus each of the previous 9 seasons, and change colors of images)) Do we have access to these customization options when we create a card? Can we pick the color of the cards? Do we have a choice in card styles with this update? How do we switch from generic to the bb frame 1 card style?

07-16-2010, 11:58 PM	#45
Libid21 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 540	Any Mac updates yet? __________________ "It is the nature of being the general manager of a baseball team that you have to remain on familiar terms with people you are continually trying to screw." - Michael Lewis in Moneyball

07-17-2010, 05:31 AM	#47
Andreas Raht Administrator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hollern/Stade/Germany Posts: 8,992	11.2.15 brought a lot of fixes and improvements. But it also brought a problem with Facegen pictures: changes made to PhotoFit (fg files) pictures did not "stick". OOTP always reloaded the Photofit file after making any changes to hair style or beard setting. So we decided to release a minor update 11.2.17 after some testing, which also included a much improved baseball card set. 11.2.15 and 11.2.17 can be used together in online leagues. We released the patch as a quick update for those who wanted or needed the mentioned bug fix. The full setup installers will follow ASAP. If there are still problems with a Facegen feature, I need exact descriptions of the problems which I can reproduce, to find a fix for them. To replace a baseball card set with another one, you have to download the files from the mods forum and manually replace your current files in folder /bb_cards with them. We will add a bb cards section to the manual ASAP. Currently, if you want to customize bb cards, you have to look at the XML files coming with the game and customize them. It's not too difficult to understand the syntax. __________________ Andreas Raht andreas@ootpdevelopments.com Out of the Park Developments

07-17-2010, 10:21 AM	#51
Andreas Raht Administrator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hollern/Stade/Germany Posts: 8,992	It does not matter at all if the commish or a GM uses .15 or .17 __________________ Andreas Raht andreas@ootpdevelopments.com Out of the Park Developments

07-17-2010, 10:34 AM	#52
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	For the facegen issues I do recommend this. Since there have been multiple changes to the facegen set up there may be some incompatability with your league/existing facegen pics. 1. Backup your data and addons. 2. Do a complete reinstall of the game. (Most people would actually recommend this anyway for any patch) 3. Put your addons back in the game. (Photos and Fg_files directory) For your leagues... 1. Remove all non-fictional photos/facegens from your html/images directory 2. Put the league back in the saved games directory 3. Open the league in the game. I'm willing to bet this will solve most of your facegen problems. You have to realize that if you do a "quick patch" of your league, then it's going to cause problems just like a "quick patch" of the game will also. I can tell you that in beta, we realized that many of the facegen issues people we were seeing with .16 and .17 were caused by this. Now after these steps, if you have problems give a clear description and how to replicate it and the developers can see what needs to be fixed. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com Last edited by Gambo; 07-17-2010 at 12:03 PM.

07-16-2010, 09:18 PM	#41
kckid4u All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pictured Above: Buck Barnett - Best Pitcher in OOTP History! Posts: 957	Can a patch be put out that doesn't include any "fixes" to facegen? I appreciate the efforts to fix the original problems, but it was working fine for most of us after completing the work around after the initial install of the game. I'd like to be able to take advantage of the other fixes the patch completed, but I don't want to have all my players facegen images all messed up. Maybe a "Patch-lite?"

07-17-2010, 01:04 PM	#54
Ambermonk All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morro Bay, CA Posts: 1,257	Am I correct in understanding that the only way to correct the problems caused by 2.15 & 2.17 is to reinstall the program and re-import all of the mods like ballparks & jerseys? That seems like a very inelegant solution. I certainly think that OOTP should release a patch that corrects the mistakes made on the two previous patches. This situation reminds me of the old Gahon Wilson cartoon of the kids on the corner that were selling 'lemonade' for 10 cents a glass. Around the corner there was another stand where kids were selling 'lemonade antidote' for 5 dollars! __________________ *I cast this question into your soul, that I might know how deep it is* - Friedrich Nietzsche It often shows a fine command of language - to say nothing! - Bertrand Russell

07-17-2010, 02:54 PM	#57
mickey7 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 203	Gambo I appreciate your words of wisdom, but I did a full install, my problem is not fg but actual photos(don't use and won't use fg) some of them show in game but most are replaced by team logos and a few by fg. All the photos are in the images file but they have not been renamed to player_xx as the patch is suppossed to do and are still first_name Last-name as well as player_xx. The photos not showing are both naming conventions not just one. New games function fine but all saved games have problems with displaying photos. Some of these saved games were created in 9 some in X and some in 11 and all have the same issue.

07-17-2010, 02:57 PM	#58
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	Stuff like this is why I'm not going to purchase the game until the end of the year from now on, because the aggro these patches cause is more than I want to deal with. I love OOTP, but this has gotten ridiculous. I'll still buy the game, it'll just be at the end of the patch cycle/off-season.

07-17-2010, 03:30 PM	#60
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	Don't bother with console games. As I said, I'll still get OOTP and play it. I'm just gonna wait until the patches are all out to get it. Besides, it'll give me more time with previous version.