OOTP 9 update!

[javier_83]

very nice addition, thanks man!!

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Here's a screenshot of the playoffs dialog...

Hey, I recognize the look of that.

One small suggestion though: you really ought to put connecting lines to better display the playoff tree. It's a bit hard to distinguish it without them.

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I'd like to thank LGO, who created an awesome document regarding a 100% flexible playoff system. The one in OOTP 9 does only a fraction of what he suggested, but it is a start. Getting the whole thing done will probably take years

Heh, maybe not. It looks like you've got the basics in. From there it's (hopefully) mostly adding in the specialty playoff options and the screens to support them.

Originally Posted by theasfl

This should fix the problem with the top two seeds facing off in the second round of any playoff system with 8 teams from one league or sub-league, no?

It should, based on what I see and what I originally proposed.

You can change how the seeds match up. So you could do the traditional #1 vs. #8, #2 vs. #7, #3 vs. #6, and #4 vs. #5, or you could do something different like #1 vs. #5, #2 vs. #6, #3 vs. #7, and #4 vs. #8, or pretty much any other combination.

Originally Posted by RailSplitter

How about double elimination?

I put 4- and 8-team double elimination playoffs in my proposal, but I'm guessing time and/or coding contraints have left it out for this year (though perhaps I'm wrong). That isn't necessarily bad, because it means I can add more specialty playoff scenarios to an improved proposal for OOTP 10 (and I've already got a good list of those).

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Could we have a different number of divisions in each sub-league, as long as the number of teams in the playoffs is a power of 2?

I put that into my proposal, but I don't know if Markus was able to code that in or not.


For those wondering, the way I approached the proposal was to find ways to recreate the real-world playoff scenarios that have existed in the major and minor leagues as well as the NBA, NHL, and NFL. So the system I put together allowed the mimicking of almost every playoff format those leagues have used. I didn't get too far into specialty playoff scenarios (like that used in the KBO for example), but that's an area I intend to emphasize in an OOTP 10 customizable playoffs proposal.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

For those wondering, the way I approached the proposal was to find ways to recreate the real-world playoff scenarios that have existed in the major and minor leagues as well as the NBA, NHL, and NFL.

Along with other proposals, adding the CFL would be awesome. Just in this thread, we've been three people to ask about byes, so the interest seems to be there. I'm just saying .

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Could we have a different number of divisions in each sub-league, as long as the number of teams in the playoffs is a power of 2? i.e. could we have one sub-league with 2 divisions, so the division winners qualify, and one sub-league with a single division, and the first and second placed teams qualify?

Yes, you can have all sorts of combinations, even only last place teams entering the playoffs

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Hey, I recognize the look of that.

One small suggestion though: you really ought to put connecting lines to better display the playoff tree. It's a bit hard to distinguish it without them.

Unfortunately the grid object does not allow this I did the best I could to seperate the matchups

[rem]

Very excited to read about the new playoff feature.

[kingcharlesxii]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes, you can have all sorts of combinations, even only last place teams entering the playoffs

Now THAT would be an interesting league. Might have to try that out.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes, you can have all sorts of combinations, even only last place teams entering the playoffs

But can you have the losers of the series advance? And then you need new news... The Kansas City Royals are crowned the biggest losers! Showing their firm resolve, they managed to fend off the aggressive Pittsburgh Pirates in the World Series and lose 4 straight games to sweep the series!

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by tysok

But can you have the losers of the series advance? And then you need new news... The Kansas City Royals are crowned the biggest losers! Showing their firm resolve, they managed to fend off the aggressive Pittsburgh Pirates in the World Series and lose 4 straight games to sweep the series!

ROFL! That was good

[ootp3to6]

Thanks for the update. Another great feature.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Unfortunately the grid object does not allow this I did the best I could to seperate the matchups

Oh, okay. I may have to bug you about trying to understand what the visual limitations are in OOTP's various screens are so I can craft proposals to accommodate any such limitations ahead of time.

Originally Posted by kingcharlesxii

Now THAT would be an interesting league. Might have to try that out.

That's what the top section in the screenshot is for. It basically shows you a little schematic of your league structure, and then you enable the team slots you want to qualify for the post-season.

So, for example, if you had a two division league and eight teams qualifying for the playoffs, you could opt to have the top four teams in each division qualify. Or you could have the top two teams in each division and four wild cards qualify. Or you could have the two division winners and six wild cards qualify. Or you could have the top three teams from one division, the top two teams from the other division, and three wild cards qualify. Or pretty much any other combination of qualifiers that adds up to eight. The only restriction is that division winners automatically qualify; after that, it's up to you.

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Along with other proposals, adding the CFL would be awesome. Just in this thread, we've been three people to ask about byes, so the interest seems to be there.

I included CFL-type playoffs, and even included its crossover playoff qualifier rule. I knew from last year's beta that byes were likely to be problematic to code, but put them in the proposal anyway for the sake of completeness. I figured I'd let Markus sort out which parts were doable and which weren't since he's the master of the code.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Oh, okay. I may have to bug you about trying to understand what the visual limitations are in OOTP's various screens are so I can craft proposals to accommodate any such limitations ahead of time.

That's what the top section in the screenshot is for. It basically shows you a little schematic of your league structure, and then you enable the team slots you want to qualify for the post-season.

So, for example, if you had a two division league and eight teams qualifying for the playoffs, you could opt to have the top four teams in each division qualify. Or you could have the top two teams in each division and four wild cards qualify. Or you could have the two division winners and six wild cards qualify. Or you could have the top three teams from one division, the top two teams from the other division, and three wild cards qualify. Or pretty much any other combination of qualifiers that adds up to eight. The only restriction is that division winners automatically qualify; after that, it's up to you.

I included CFL-type playoffs, and even included its crossover playoff qualifier rule. I knew from last year's beta that byes were likely to be problematic to code, but put them in the proposal anyway for the sake of completeness. I figured I'd let Markus sort out which parts were doable and which weren't since he's the master of the code.

Thanks for addressing this .

[kq76]

Byes would be really nice. Whenever you hear talk of changing baseball's playoff system you invariably hear of people who would like to give the best team or best 2 teams in the league a bye. I myself would definitely use a system where the 1st place team got a bye in each league (or division) and the #2 and #3 seeds fought it out for the right to face the #1 team.

Personally, I couldn't see wanting to use an NBA or NHL playoff system for baseball. While I'm not so big on only seeing division winners make the playoffs like hardcore traditionalists, I can definitely see where they are coming from and would want to give the first place team the reward they deserve with a bye through the first round. Otherwise you're devaluing the regular season just too much.

Markus, if an easy way to implement byes comes to mind, please do add them.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The only restriction is that division winners automatically qualify; after that, it's up to you.

Actually I coded it so that this restriction does not apply How much sense that makes is up for discussion though

[falkonisback]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Actually I coded it so that this restriction does not apply How much sense that makes is up for discussion though

No, I think it makes PERFECT sense. I mean if you're going to make it customizable, then make it COMPLETELY customizable. I mean its your league..if you don't want the division winners to make the playoffs, then they don't make the playoffs..end of discussion LOL

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Actually I coded it so that this restriction does not apply How much sense that makes is up for discussion though

Cool.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by kq76

Byes would be really nice. Whenever you hear talk of changing baseball's playoff system you invariably hear of people who would like to give the best team or best 2 teams in the league a bye. I myself would definitely use a system where the 1st place team got a bye in each league (or division) and the #2 and #3 seeds fought it out for the right to face the #1 team.

Personally, I couldn't see wanting to use an NBA or NHL playoff system for baseball. While I'm not so big on only seeing division winners make the playoffs like hardcore traditionalists, I can definitely see where they are coming from and would want to give the first place team the reward they deserve with a bye through the first round. Otherwise you're devaluing the regular season just too much.

Markus, if an easy way to implement byes comes to mind, please do add them.

Byes in baseball are horrible ideas because they would hurt both the hitting (loss of timing) and pitching (losing conditioning). In OOTP? Why not? IRL? Never.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by bababui

Byes in baseball are horrible ideas because they would hurt both the hitting (loss of timing) and pitching (losing conditioning). In OOTP? Why not? IRL? Never.

Yeah. Don't know why I hear that idea coming from the same mouths that were saying the Rockies long lay off before the World Series could hurt them last year. Stupid media can't remember anything.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Actually I coded it so that this restriction does not apply How much sense that makes is up for discussion though

So if you have a 3 division league and you want the 4 best records in the playoffs you could only mark the 4 wildcards and it would pick the 4 best records regardless of the divisions?

[Cryomaniac]

Any chance of giving us an option of having 3/4th place playoff games?