Ichiro

[CMH]

ok people are still gettin confused here.

i said the guy is a .300 hitter. i then said, "maybe i should have said a HIGH .300 hitter." so i corrected my mistake.

i NEVER said batting .340 is equivalent to someone who bats .302. NEVER. I said that both are .300 hitters.

a .300 hitter is considered a great hitter in baseball. nothing more, nothing less. he is a .300 hitter. right?

Ichiro hits .300....Ichiro hits a high .300. i think thats fair.

I would never compare Ichiro to Polanco. They may be both .300 hitters this season, but Ichiro is batting a high .300 and Polanco is at the borderline.

I know the difference. You all are misinterpreting my words.

LOL at the accountant joke. I hate accounting. But its kool. You are just misinterpreting my meaning. i'll keep tryin to explain. just remember i'm not sayin .340 is equivalent to .302...i'm just saying that a guy who hits .340 is a .300 hitter. thats it.

when you look at stats and think, is this guy good or not, dont you think...."is he a .300 type hitter? can he hit about 40 homeruns? can he drive in 100 RBI? can he score over 80 runs? can he steal 30 bases? does he walk more than he strikes out? ya know?

sayin that Manny is a century mark RBI man is not a disservice. Its a fact. he will drive in 100 RBI every season. Yes its more around 120 but the fact is that he will drive in 100 RBI.

Ichiro is a .300 hitter. I'm not sayin he hits exactly .300...i'm sayin that he will hit .300 no matter what. he might be better than exactly .300 but atleast you know he'll be over .300 b/c thats what he is - a .300 hitter.

hopefully you understand now. i really didnt want to elaborate so so so much, but i guess i had to since everyone wants to jump in everyone's face so quickly here.

[Jason Moyer]

Ichiro has a good glove, he gets the bat on everything, and he can run. Bobby Abreu does all of those things with substantially more walks and better power, but doesn't get 1/100th of the press.

I'm not saying Ichiro is bad, if you're happy with an above average right fielder who steals 30 bases and is a .403/.444 hitter. I'm just saying I'd rather have Abreu, who is an above average right fielder, steals 30 bases, and is a .406/.513 hitter.

Jason

[CMH]

Originally posted by Nirvana91


If a guy is a .399 hitter, I'd expect him to get on base 4 out of 10 times, not 3.

now THATS being an accountant. batting .400 is gettin on base 4 out of 10 times. i used the .399 as an example number just to illustrate how .399 is still batting .300.

Not too mention the fact that he hustles out every grounder and doesn't showboat like most major leaguers.

Just my take...........

good points you made here about the stats. and i agree the guy is clutch and has good numbers. however, i personally feel Boone was more valuable to the team. Why is it that Ichiro is puting up similar numbers from last year and Boone is NOT, and the Mariners are not as good as they were last season. Granted 116 wins is never easy to duplicate, but the team is not even close to the level of competitiveness they played last season. I think its b/c Boone isnt producing as he did last season.

also, not to throw this at you, but i dont think the voting process takes into consideration "showboating". who do you think this is? LLWS fans???

nah but seriously. i dont think he deserved MVP b/c I dont think he was the most valuable to his team. But thats my opinion. I also think Ichiro is overated. Now remember, i'm not sayin he isnt a great ball player. I'm just sayin that I think people cherish him a bit too much. I read about guys who rather have him on their team instead of Vlad. i mean i think thats crazy (i said think, which means its my opinion )

[nomar050]

I personally feel that Ichiro deserved the MVP last year because of all the factors already said and this main one. He hit .449 with runners in scoring position. That's ridiculous; also with runners in scoring position and 2 outs, he hit .468. Despite these numbers he only had 69 RBI. Imagine how much better he would've done if he was hitting 3rd. Maybe his average would've been worse with runners in scoring position because he would've had more chances, but I doubt it.

[twins15]

I still say he is overrated. All the hype it sounds like he is superman. He went about 2 for 12 vs. the twins in their series this week.

[Nirvana91]

Originally posted by nomar050
I personally feel that Ichiro deserved the MVP last year because of all the factors already said and this main one. He hit .449 with runners in scoring position. That's ridiculous; also with runners in scoring position and 2 outs, he hit .468. Despite these numbers he only had 69 RBI. Imagine how much better he would've done if he was hitting 3rd. Maybe his average would've been worse with runners in scoring position because he would've had more chances, but I doubt it.

I posted this a few posts ago. Although I don't think your numbers are correct. Where did you get your numbers? Mine are from here.

[nomar050]

Sorry about that Nirvana, I just skimmed through the posts didn't catch yours. I got my numbers from Here
The numbers are different, I wonder why

[Nirvana91]

Originally posted by nomar050
Sorry about that Nirvana, I just skimmed through the posts didn't catch yours. I got my numbers from Here
The numbers are different, I wonder why

Hmmmmm, that's very odd.

[CMH]

hmmm...is this a form of OVERRATION?!

just kidding...but i would be interested in knowing why the numbers are different.

regardless, they are just about the same and are still impressive.

[holyroller]

This is maybe the stupidest thread I have yet to see on these forums.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Bobby Abreu as good as Ichiro? Bwahahahahahahahahaha.....stop it that hurts..bwahahahahaha.

Gee he only went 2-12 against the Twins, he must be a failure, kinda like the Twins have been since 1991 except for this year playing in the Minor League Central!

[devaneyfan]

John Kruk and Ty Cobb were both .300 hitters...

[bwd]

This is so stupid. In no way should Ichiro be referred to as a .300 hitter. Yes yes... he bats in the .300's of course, but saying thats what he is implies he's a Polanco type hitter, doesn't it? Look at the numbers however you want (only so and so many more hits...) but there is a tremendous difference between .300 and .340. Also, forget the numbers. Watch the guy bat. He hits anything. He may have the best swing in baseball right now, and he's smart too. Yes his avg is down, but overrated he is not.

[CMH]

Originally posted by bwd
This is so stupid. In no way should Ichiro be referred to as a .300 hitter. Yes yes... he bats in the .300's of course, but saying thats what he is implies he's a Polanco type hitter, doesn't it? Look at the numbers however you want (only so and so many more hits...) but there is a tremendous difference between .300 and .340. Also, forget the numbers. Watch the guy bat. He hits anything. He may have the best swing in baseball right now, and he's smart too. Yes his avg is down, but overrated he is not.

someone here, obviously, did not read through the entire thread.

someone here might want to read throught the entire thread, especially my comments, so that someone here wouldnt sound so stupid by repeating something that has already been answered ONE FULL PAGE ago...

[bwd]

Originally posted by YankeePride

a .300 hitter is considered a great hitter in baseball. nothing more, nothing less. he is a .300 hitter. right?

I did read the entire thread. Honestly, I think what you said was unclear and well... wrong. Its a terribly broad generalization. Whether or not you meant it this way, you seem to imply we can divide all hitters in to two categories, under or above .300.

In any case, I never said I was responding to you directly, but to the whole discussion. I wasn't attacking you, so theres no need to get defensive. "Somebody" needs to relax.

[CMH]

i'm the only one that mentioned the .300 issue. so it was obviously directed at me. so there really isnt a need for me to relax. i'm defending my claim, is there something wrong with that?

once again, however, you are misinterpreting my words. I NEVER SAID A .340 HITTER IS IN THE SAME CLASS AS A .302 HITTER!

can we please get that clear. do you understand that now. dont think ahead, dont say "but...", nothing! just get that clear. i know a .340 hitter is not a .302 hitter. there's a huge difference. obviously.

what did i say? ok now that we know what i know, now lets clear up what i said. all i said is that Ichiro is a .300 hitter. I then corrected myself by saying he is a HIGH .300 hitter. OK? get that clear. no thinkin ahead, no buts, just understand that. Is Ichiro a high .300 hitter or not? the answer is yes. b/c he hits in the high .300's. RIGHT? yes.

now lets continue. a .300 hitter is someone who hits .300. who gets on base atleast 3 out of 10 times at bat. you ever heard the saying, "in baseball you fail 70% of the time"??? dont you think that implies to EVERY major leaguer? Ty Cobb failed about 70% of the time. Ichiro fails about 70% of the time. Placido Polanco, fails about 70% of the time. RIGHT? yes. its correct. its true, its accurate.

continuing...like i said, "a .300 hitter is considered a great hitter...nothing more, nothing less. he is a .300 hitter." thats correct. if you fail 70% of the time, that means you succeed 30% of the time. RIGHT? yes.

obviously there are those that succeed 33% of the time. and there are others that succeed 37% of the time. there are also those that succeed 31% of the time. however, they still fail ABOUT 70% of the time.

is the 37% hitter a .300 hitter? uh yea
is the 33% hitter a .300 hitter? uh yea
is the 31% hitter a .300 hitter? uh yea

are they each the same .300 hitter? no

all three succeed over 30% of the time. they are .300 hitters. but all three are not exactly the same. obviously the guy that succeeds 37% of the time is better than the guy who succeeds 31% of the time.

I MADE THAT CLEAR IN MY STATEMENTS. why i have to do it again, i dont know, i guess i'm being nice tryin to explain my position instead of saying "you are stupid, you are wrong, you know nothing". i made it clear that i understand the confusion, but i also made it clear that you and others are misinterpreting my words.

now, lets take it one step further.

if Ichiro hits .345 this season. next year he hits .320. the year after he hits .370, and the year after that he hits .310.

is Ichiro a career .300 hitter?

hopefully you said yes, and hopefully now you can understand what i meant by "he is a .300 hitter"

thank you

[Carplos]

Originally posted by Mariner and Giants Fan
Bobby Abreu as good as Ichiro? Bwahahahahahahahahaha.....stop it that hurts..bwahahahahaha.

Well, if you want a lower OBP, lower SLG, and therefore, lower OPS, then sure, Ichiro is better than Abreu. I think Ichiro is a great player, but if I could take him or Abreu. They're close to the same age. Abreu has more power, walks more, and has plenty of speed. He has the arm to play RF, and he could probably play CF, if needed. Personally, I'd take both if I could (well, and if a few other players weren't available) and put Ichiro in CF and Abreu in RF.

[rferry]

atleast Dave Kingman or Sam Horn were never MVPs.

[Jason Moyer]

Bobby Abreu, having an "off year", has an RC/27 of 7.61 while Ichiro is at 6.91. I don't care if you put Andruw Jones in right field, you aren't going to find a right fielder who saves his team 0.7 runs a game.

Jason

[Nirvana91]

Originally posted by YankeePride

i guess i'm being nice tryin to explain my position instead of saying "you are stupid, you are wrong, you know nothing". i made it clear that i understand the confusion, but i also made it clear that you and others are misinterpreting my words.

I don't see anyone misinterpreting your words. It's just that nobody agrees with what you're saying. Yes, I understand what you meant when you said he was a .300 hitter. And I understand that hitting over .300 is a good accomplishment, hence your categorization. And I understand that you know that there's a huge difference between a .300 hitter and a .340 hitter. The funny thing is that you continue to defend your statement that Ichiro is a .300 hitter, and every time somebody disagrees with you, you get all defensive. That's like me saying that Todd Hundley (career ba: .235) is a career Mendoza-Line hitter. Does he hit over the Mendoza Line? Yes! But does that mean I should categorize him as a career Mendoza-Line hitter? Nope. Me calling him that would do him a disservice because people would automatically assume he hits closer to .200. Likewise, calling Ichiro a .300 hitter would inherently make people assume Ichiro hits close to .300, when in actuality he hits much higher than that. See what I'm getting at?