Would this work???????????

Jdubs15 · 01-03-2004, 07:44 PM

Just realized something.... but isn't this some type of bug or way to cheat...?

If in spring training, you bring the defensive points down to zero, and spread those out how you want, and change the guys position to DH for spring training, won't he lose nothing? It just says "his defense at DH suffers" or whatever. Obviously DH isn't a defensive position.

jmaness84 · 01-03-2004, 07:45 PM

Could be both

Cooleyvol · 01-03-2004, 07:55 PM

Its both I guess, but what amazes me is that someone would go THAT far in order to cheat in a solo style league using this game.

What do you get out of that??

jmaness84 · 01-03-2004, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cooleyvol
Its both I guess, but what amazes me is that someone would go THAT far in order to cheat in a solo style league using this game.

What do you get out of that??

In a solo league it is definently taboo. In a online league I could see it as strategy

Aussie Mark · 01-03-2004, 08:23 PM

If he has defensive ratings at any other position, you'll find his defense will suffer at those positions. This fix was introduced in a recent patch to overcome this "strategy".

rem · 01-03-2004, 08:31 PM

In a solo league, just use the editor.

Cooleyvol · 01-03-2004, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaness84
In a solo league it is definently taboo. In a online league I could see it as strategy

trust me...........its taboo in any situation.

jmaness84 · 01-03-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cooleyvol
trust me...........its taboo in any situation.

If there are no rules saying you cannot in an online league.. well when i see an opening i'll run to it

I need all of the help i can get in my online leagues. I suck

Especially if I know other owners are doing it.

Aussie Mark · 01-03-2004, 09:44 PM

That's a scary statement from a Commish looking for GMs for a new league.

jmaness84 · 01-03-2004, 11:28 PM

There will be rules in my league saying you cannot do it. I do not run a league to win. I picked the Seattle Mariners in my 1984 league. Could be the worst team out there. Im a honest commish and would not even dream about cheating. In one bbpro league i started a few years ago I once threw the NLCS in the first year just because I didn't want owners to think I ran the league just to win. Ive been in leagues were commish's have raped other teams just so they could win. I would not dream of it. I am a different person when I run a league compared to just being an owner.

pat · 01-04-2004, 12:39 AM

i did it once w/ matt lecroy.. his defense sucks so i didn't put points in his defense and spread the remaining points in other areas.. and it worked, he improved and now he doesn't have any fielder rating..

Delgadodawg · 01-04-2004, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaness84
If there are no rules saying you cannot in an online league.. well when i see an opening i'll run to it I need all of the help i can get in my online leagues. I suck Especially if I know other owners are doing it.

Wow, I am glad I am not in any of those leagues. Any owners that tried that in the leagues I am in and I am sure they would be asked to leave.

wireman · 01-04-2004, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaness84:
If there are no rules saying you cannot in an online league.. well when i see an opening i'll run to it.

Thanks for the warning. That's not the way I play, so I'll skip any leagues you're involved in, OK?

crackpott · 01-04-2004, 05:49 AM

That's why my rules include something that basically says I can overrule everything or add a rule or whatever if I feel it's in the best interests of the league. There will ALWAYS be loopholes and you can't account for all of them in your rules. Generally, you're supposed to hope that owners won't exploit the flaws in the game, but occasionally, there are some that do. I remember almost a decade of simming ago the Yankees owner decided to take on a LOT of 1 year contracts that pushed his payroll up over 180 million because "The game won't let you go in debt more than 5 million!"

...naturally he was shocked when I corrected his finances to be in debt the exact amount that he was supposed to be that season.

Point is, you shouldn't be trying to exploit the game and if you ARE a commissioner, not only is it really bad then, but you should be taking measures to try to prevent it.

Cooleyvol · 01-04-2004, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaness84
If there are no rules saying you cannot in an online league.. well when i see an opening i'll run to it I need all of the help i can get in my online leagues. I suck Especially if I know other owners are doing it.

Remind me to never join any leagues you are in or add you to any leagues that I am in.

Not the kind of guy I want to compete against and, quite frankly, a twisted way of looking at things.

kq76 · 01-04-2004, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaness84
Im a honest commish and would not even dream about cheating... I am a different person when I run a league compared to just being an owner.

Does this mean what I think it means? Because if it does, I think we may have to talk.

neef · 01-04-2004, 11:24 AM

I'm not happy about this either. Kieran and I are too busy to try to think of new ways GMs can manipulate the game. I quit a league for this very reason.

IatricSB · 01-04-2004, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaness84
If there are no rules saying you cannot in an online league.. well when i see an opening i'll run to it I need all of the help i can get in my online leagues. I suck Especially if I know other owners are doing it.

If I had an owner with an attitude like that, I'd put a stop to it and if it continued, 86ed.

rem · 01-04-2004, 01:03 PM

I think some people all overacting just a little bit.

jmaness84 · 01-04-2004, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by remangiii
I think some people all overacting just a little bit.

I agree. I came off a little like an ass. My post didn't come out the way it was intended. I just meant if in an online league there were no rules saying you couldn't do something and other owners were doing it, then I would do it. If you noticed in the first post I said it would be cheating. Trust me guys I don't cheat and dont give me that reputation. If I am not wanted in the KBL, then i'll resign.

01-03-2004, 07:44 PM	#1
Jdubs15 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 46	Would this work??????????? Just realized something.... but isn't this some type of bug or way to cheat...? If in spring training, you bring the defensive points down to zero, and spread those out how you want, and change the guys position to DH for spring training, won't he lose nothing? It just says "his defense at DH suffers" or whatever. Obviously DH isn't a defensive position.

01-03-2004, 08:23 PM	#5
Aussie Mark Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Downunder Posts: 489	If he has defensive ratings at any other position, you'll find his defense will suffer at those positions. This fix was introduced in a recent patch to overcome this "strategy". __________________ Cheers Mark

01-03-2004, 08:31 PM	#6
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	In a solo league, just use the editor. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

01-03-2004, 09:44 PM	#9
Aussie Mark Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Downunder Posts: 489	That's a scary statement from a Commish looking for GMs for a new league. __________________ Cheers Mark

01-03-2004, 11:28 PM	#10
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	There will be rules in my league saying you cannot do it. I do not run a league to win. I picked the Seattle Mariners in my 1984 league. Could be the worst team out there. Im a honest commish and would not even dream about cheating. In one bbpro league i started a few years ago I once threw the NLCS in the first year just because I didn't want owners to think I ran the league just to win. Ive been in leagues were commish's have raped other teams just so they could win. I would not dream of it. I am a different person when I run a league compared to just being an owner. Last edited by jmaness84; 01-03-2004 at 11:33 PM.

01-03-2004, 07:45 PM	#2
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	Could be both

01-03-2004, 07:55 PM	#3
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Its both I guess, but what amazes me is that someone would go THAT far in order to cheat in a solo style league using this game. What do you get out of that??

01-04-2004, 12:39 AM	#11
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	i did it once w/ matt lecroy.. his defense sucks so i didn't put points in his defense and spread the remaining points in other areas.. and it worked, he improved and now he doesn't have any fielder rating.. __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

01-04-2004, 05:49 AM	#14
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	That's why my rules include something that basically says I can overrule everything or add a rule or whatever if I feel it's in the best interests of the league. There will ALWAYS be loopholes and you can't account for all of them in your rules. Generally, you're supposed to hope that owners won't exploit the flaws in the game, but occasionally, there are some that do. I remember almost a decade of simming ago the Yankees owner decided to take on a LOT of 1 year contracts that pushed his payroll up over 180 million because "The game won't let you go in debt more than 5 million!" ...naturally he was shocked when I corrected his finances to be in debt the exact amount that he was supposed to be that season. Point is, you shouldn't be trying to exploit the game and if you ARE a commissioner, not only is it really bad then, but you should be taking measures to try to prevent it. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

01-04-2004, 11:24 AM	#17
neef Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 41	I'm not happy about this either. Kieran and I are too busy to try to think of new ways GMs can manipulate the game. I quit a league for this very reason. Last edited by neef; 01-04-2004 at 02:05 PM.

01-04-2004, 01:03 PM	#19
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I think some people all overacting just a little bit. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0