When is a trade a trade?

kq76 · 09-13-2003, 07:04 PM

I've always wondered this.. When is a trade a trade? Is it a trade when one person suggests something and the other replies by email, IM, or whatever, that that is acceptable? Or is it a trade when the second party posts their confirmation on the league's trade board that they agree to this trade?

If there's also a distinction between what is officially a trade and what is just good manners, please point that out. That is, is it wrong to back out of a trade once terms have been agreed to being acceptable, but not yet posted?

In the past I've just gone and done it to avoid any issues, but I think it's time I get others' opinions.

Old Man · 09-13-2003, 07:17 PM

I believe it is when the 2 teams confirm it by whatever means the league have to do this (Bosi, email or message board).

It was talked about before here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=35420

MLBO · 09-13-2003, 07:19 PM

I say a trade is a trade when it is posted on the league's trade board, and approved by both GMs.

It is not wrong to back out of a trade, before it is posted, but it shows bad manners and represents that you are not the best of the best GMs.

kq76 · 09-13-2003, 07:27 PM

Thanks guys, especially for that link. I'm going to go ahead and post it. It wasn't that big of a deal to me. I just wanted to consider some other things, not necessarily back out. To be on the safe side in the future though, I'm just going to make sure I say, "this is not an offer, just what do you think?" That way I can still reconsider after I hear back from them.

YoungEagle · 09-13-2003, 08:38 PM

Kieran,

I'm with MLBO on this one...

I try to make it real clear when I'm just asking about a player.

Seems like this type of issue crops up in emails more often than IM.

One time I was working on a deal that involved multiple players and a pick. I thought I was getting the extra pick, but when I saw the trade posted, I was listed as giving up the pick. I just confirmed the trade to avoid any hassels.

P.S. - glad to see Yoda's back... thanks for the picture - added it to a birthday greeting to my best friend and he enjoyed it.

mad0die · 09-13-2003, 09:45 PM

As the Commish, a trade is not a trade until both parties confirm it on the board. As an owner, I'd like to take someone at their word, but again nothing is truly final until it's posted.

rem · 09-14-2003, 12:49 AM

I'd say that a trade is official whenever the two sides agree on the board or whatever that leagues rules are.

However, if someone asked me nicely a reasonable amount of time I would probably let them out of mosts trade.

There was one time where I made a trade and then traded the key player in the deal to another team making a nice profit. The guy was pissed (he had to go and didnt confirm) and refused to confirm unless he got a better deal. I was the commish and gave him a deal which he thought was better but really wasn't (he wasn't too bright)

asamford · 09-14-2003, 03:17 PM

kq76, i can't believe you were going to renege on a deal we had already made. that's so uncool of you. i can't believe i'm in a league with you. remind me to tell cooley that i quit.

asamford · 09-14-2003, 03:19 PM

sorry, kq, that was very uncalled for, i shouldn't have behaved in that manner, can you ever forgive me? please tell cooley that i was just kidding in that email i sent him...sorry again.

ill16ca · 09-14-2003, 03:35 PM

What about if the trade is completed and confirmed, then couldn't be completed because a team wasn't in possession of a draft pick they tried to trade? This happened to me once, and when I tried to renegotiate with the guy, he backed out - said he wasn't thinking straight that day or something, and didn't want to renegotiate. Needless to say, I was ticked.

asamford · 09-14-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by ill16ca
What about if the trade is completed and confirmed, then couldn't be completed because a team wasn't in possession of a draft pick they tried to trade? This happened to me once, and when I tried to renegotiate with the guy, he backed out - said he wasn't thinking straight that day or something, and didn't want to renegotiate. Needless to say, I was ticked.

i think if a trade was completed and agreed to, and then all of a sudden the trade was void because a draft pick was unavailable, AND then the owner refuses to negotiate, the commish should step in and do an arbitration type process to complete the deal.

of course, before making a deal if both owners checked to make sure that they were making a legal deal, this wouldn't happen.

09-13-2003, 07:04 PM	#1
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,036	When is a trade a trade? I've always wondered this.. When is a trade a trade? Is it a trade when one person suggests something and the other replies by email, IM, or whatever, that that is acceptable? Or is it a trade when the second party posts their confirmation on the league's trade board that they agree to this trade? If there's also a distinction between what is officially a trade and what is just good manners, please point that out. That is, is it wrong to back out of a trade once terms have been agreed to being acceptable, but not yet posted? In the past I've just gone and done it to avoid any issues, but I think it's time I get others' opinions. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

09-13-2003, 07:17 PM	#2
Old Man Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 464	I believe it is when the 2 teams confirm it by whatever means the league have to do this (Bosi, email or message board). It was talked about before here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=35420 __________________ Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983 "All the fat guys watch me and say to their wives, 'See, there's a fat guy doing okay. Bring me another beer.'" -Mickey Lolich

09-13-2003, 07:27 PM	#4
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,036	Thanks guys, especially for that link. I'm going to go ahead and post it. It wasn't that big of a deal to me. I just wanted to consider some other things, not necessarily back out. To be on the safe side in the future though, I'm just going to make sure I say, "this is not an offer, just what do you think?" That way I can still reconsider after I hear back from them. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

09-13-2003, 08:38 PM	#5
YoungEagle Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Wayne, MI Posts: 364	Kieran, I'm with MLBO on this one... I try to make it real clear when I'm just asking about a player. Seems like this type of issue crops up in emails more often than IM. One time I was working on a deal that involved multiple players and a pick. I thought I was getting the extra pick, but when I saw the trade posted, I was listed as giving up the pick. I just confirmed the trade to avoid any hassels. P.S. - glad to see Yoda's back... thanks for the picture - added it to a birthday greeting to my best friend and he enjoyed it. Last edited by YoungEagle; 09-13-2003 at 08:40 PM.

09-13-2003, 09:45 PM	#6
mad0die All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: TX Posts: 913	As the Commish, a trade is not a trade until both parties confirm it on the board. As an owner, I'd like to take someone at their word, but again nothing is truly final until it's posted. __________________ Commish GUBA

09-13-2003, 07:19 PM	#3
MLBO Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 40	I say a trade is a trade when it is posted on the league's trade board, and approved by both GMs. It is not wrong to back out of a trade, before it is posted, but it shows bad manners and represents that you are not the best of the best GMs.

09-14-2003, 12:49 AM	#7
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I'd say that a trade is official whenever the two sides agree on the board or whatever that leagues rules are. However, if someone asked me nicely a reasonable amount of time I would probably let them out of mosts trade. There was one time where I made a trade and then traded the key player in the deal to another team making a nice profit. The guy was pissed (he had to go and didnt confirm) and refused to confirm unless he got a better deal. I was the commish and gave him a deal which he thought was better but really wasn't (he wasn't too bright) __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

09-14-2003, 03:17 PM	#8
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	kq76, i can't believe you were going to renege on a deal we had already made. that's so uncool of you. i can't believe i'm in a league with you. remind me to tell cooley that i quit.

09-14-2003, 03:19 PM	#9
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	sorry, kq, that was very uncalled for, i shouldn't have behaved in that manner, can you ever forgive me? please tell cooley that i was just kidding in that email i sent him...sorry again.

09-14-2003, 03:35 PM	#10
ill16ca All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 690	What about if the trade is completed and confirmed, then couldn't be completed because a team wasn't in possession of a draft pick they tried to trade? This happened to me once, and when I tried to renegotiate with the guy, he backed out - said he wasn't thinking straight that day or something, and didn't want to renegotiate. Needless to say, I was ticked.