Earned Run ???

[Battman]

OOTP 25 Spring Training game. Pitcher was charged with 2 Earned Runs. Shouldn't it only be one?

Tennessee Smokies batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Phillies : LHP Chuck Kniffin
Pitching: RHP Donald Kreke
Batting: SHB Pete Rose 0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Called Strike
2-1: Reached on error, E4 (Groundball, 34, EV 82.5 MPH)
Pinch Runner at 1st Omar Moreno:
Batting: RHB Don Money 0-0: Called Strike
Omar Moreno steals 2nd base
0-1: Ball
1-1: Swinging Strike
1-2: Ball
2-2: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8RD, EV 110.0 MPH)
Batting: RHB Cesar Cedeno 0-0: Ball
Omar Moreno steals 3rd base
1-0: 2-RUN HOME RUN (Flyball, 7D, EV 101.3 MPH), Distance : 360 ft
Batting: LHB Willie Stargell 0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: SINGLE (Groundball, 6M, EV 62.5 MPH)
Batting: LHB Reggie Jackson 0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Ball
2-1: Foul Ball, location: 5F
2-2: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LD, EV 96.3 MPH)
Batting: SHB Ted Simmons 0-0: Fly out, F6 (Line Drive, 6, EV 72.5 MPH)
Bottom of the 8th over - 2 runs, 2 hits, 1 error, 1 left on base; Philadelphia 3 - Tennessee 4

[kq76]

I think it should only be 1. Are you sure they didn't give up another somewhere else in the game?

[Hrycaj]

I believe the game scored it correctly here. It is 2 earned runs. The runner that reached on the error didn’t extend the inning. So once the homer was hit both runs are earned. Had the scenario been 2 outs when the runner reached by error and the home run was hit you have zero earned runs.

[monkeyman576]

It depends maybe since it was a weak ground ball maybe the scorer thinks the pitcher may have had a shot at the assist and therefore it was partly the pitchers fault.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by Hrycaj

I believe the game scored it correctly here. It is 2 earned runs. The runner that reached on the error didn’t extend the inning. So once the homer was hit both runs are earned. Had the scenario been 2 outs when the runner reached by error and the home run was hit you have zero earned runs.

Nope. If a batter becomes a runner due to an error and he subsequently scores, that run is always unearned. Doesn't matter how many outs there are. I suspect that OOTP got this wrong because a pinch-runner scored. Really, given how convoluted the earned-run rule is, I'm amazed that OOTP ever gets it right, but it somehow gets it right about 95% of the time. Usually, in my experience, when OOTP gets it wrong it's because something "unexpected" happens, like here where the batter got replaced with a pinch runner. I think the most common problem is where a batter reaches base on an error and then is eliminated on a fielder's choice - the error is then supposed to be "transferred" to the runner who reached base on the FC, but OOTP doesn't always recognize that. OOTP also has a lot of problems with errors on foul balls - it can't make any sense of those.

[Battman]

Originally Posted by kq76

I think it should only be 1. Are you sure they didn't give up another somewhere else in the game?

Only inning he pitched.

[david limbaugh]

Originally Posted by Hrycaj

I believe the game scored it correctly here. It is 2 earned runs. The runner that reached on the error didn’t extend the inning. So once the homer was hit both runs are earned. Had the scenario been 2 outs when the runner reached by error and the home run was hit you have zero earned runs.

You rebuild the inning as error not occuring....

Batting: SHB Pete Rose 0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Called Strike
2-1: Reached on error, E4 (Groundball, 34, EV 82.5 MPH)
Pinch Runner at 1st Omar Moreno:

should be out 1 - no runner...

Batting: RHB Don Money 0-0: Called Strike
Omar Moreno steals 2nd base
0-1: Ball
1-1: Swinging Strike
1-2: Ball
2-2: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8RD, EV 110.0 MPH)


1 out

Batting: RHB Cesar Cedeno 0-0: Ball
Omar Moreno steals 3rd base
1-0: 2-RUN HOME RUN (Flyball, 7D, EV 101.3 MPH), Distance : 360 ft


1 earned run - first run is unearned - should have been in the dugout watching - if 2 out HR - 0 earned :-)

[Hrycaj]

You guys were right. I need to reconstruct the inning. It doesn’t matter when the error occurred, if it scores it is unearned.

[Pelican]

It's one of the weaknesses of unearned runs. Once the floodgates are opened by a single error, a pitcher can implode on the mound, without consequences to his ERA.

[monkeyman576]

Not necessarily, only if there are two outs when the error occurs. If there is one outs or fewer the unearned runs would stop happening when the player at bat when the error occured scored.