45 Overall Good Enough to Promote to the Show?

Skevich · 02-03-2025, 12:06 PM

I have guys in AAA with great stats, green arrows, with potentials ranging from 50 to 75. Is 45 overall good enough to call up to the show given their strong stats and green arrows?

Rain King · 02-03-2025, 12:12 PM

I wouldn't recommend relying too heavily on that Overall number.

It should be referenced more as a quick guide than the heavy decision maker. If all of the other signs say to call them up (and it makes sense for you and how you will use the player) then call them up.

Skevich · 02-03-2025, 12:14 PM

That is good to hear, thank you!

kq76 · 02-03-2025, 12:27 PM

Out of 80? Yes. higher is better of course, but 45 can work. 40 can even work. Below 40, however, should only be emergency replacements IMO.

I wouldn't expect your prospects with even good overalls to perform well right off the bat in the majors however. For example, I had the #2 prospect in the league who was playing great in AAA and with an injury to my starting CF, which he also is, I decided to bring him up as a backup to my normal backup. I ended up starting him like 5 games since his ratings are a fair bit better than my backup's ratings and he stunk the joint up. He couldn't hit, he couldn't field, he couldn't even not get picked off. Other than 1 game in which he got 2 infield hits due to his speed, he was a total disaster. I went back to starting my backup and am leaving the kid off the playoff roster. I don't know this for sure of course, but I suspect that at least some players who have never been in the majors before may have a diminishing factor applied to them. It'd make sense. Some players IRL seem to get starstruck in the majors. I'm hoping that next year's pre-season will help him get past that.

OutS|der · 02-03-2025, 12:35 PM

40 is Bench Level, Swing/Spot SP or Middle RP or 1 WAR

So yes they are good enough to play MLB level. If they are a prospect they generally are better off in the minors till they are 50 or above

Larryk007 · 02-03-2025, 12:47 PM

Yes, skip the overall, look at the individual ratings, it is fun to see the real value of the player.

If I have a player with less than 50 on any of the basic ratings (20-80 scale) then they must have something to balance. Great defense, high Stuff, High Power, then yes see how they fit.

I now have a minimum for pitchers that I use, and that is a minimum of 50 on Movement. Very rare will I let a less than 50 Movement pitcher onto the MLB roster. IMO those less than 50 Movement pitchers get destroyed!

mytreds · 02-03-2025, 02:23 PM

I’d promote and play him every three or four games. I have best results this way.

Brad K · 02-04-2025, 06:56 PM

It seems the more pertinent is whether 45 is good enough to play for your team.

tonnage · 02-05-2025, 02:20 PM

I have a player on my fictional team who's rated a 45 at 1st base and 40 at SS and 2B. He has a 50 contact rating, 55 gap, and 60 power. While not a great fielder, his bat more than makes up for it. I use him as a utility player. He makes the odd error but I can live with that for his 280 avg and 15 home runs every year.

s1c1l1anm0bst3r · 02-06-2025, 03:27 PM

I'm a big stats driven player. If his stats excel in his current league and he's had at least around 250 AB, heavily consider it. If he projects to be better than who he's replacing, or you're so far out of it that you want to get him playing time, those add to positive reasons to call him up

NoOne · 02-07-2025, 04:49 PM

Development is best at the ML level, and that isn't stat-driven. they can perform poorly and that's okay, relatively speaking. I still think extreme incompetence is dangerous for development - i.e. significantly over-matched talent.

If it's a player with high potential and you can work him in without hurting your team, it's a good thing to do more times than not.

even if they sit on bench for a year or more, usually won't destroy their ratings. Development isn't supposed to be base don stats, but i think they do need to play at least a little bit to avoid some negative effects. 1 year of absolute rot seems low risk, but if they do nothing for too long definitely seems to drag some down in the past.

also, ratings are more accurate at the ML level. In a couple months if their potential tanks, good chance they were falsely overrated. If you have other options, good idea to test trade market at this time just in case another team's scouting info is still reflecting a higher potential than reality.

Club control may be a reason to delay. Make sure you keep them in AAA/AA long enough to avoid accruing a year of ML service.

02-03-2025, 12:06 PM	#1
Skevich Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 63	45 Overall Good Enough to Promote to the Show? I have guys in AAA with great stats, green arrows, with potentials ranging from 50 to 75. Is 45 overall good enough to call up to the show given their strong stats and green arrows?

02-03-2025, 12:27 PM	#4
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,782	Out of 80? Yes. higher is better of course, but 45 can work. 40 can even work. Below 40, however, should only be emergency replacements IMO. I wouldn't expect your prospects with even good overalls to perform well right off the bat in the majors however. For example, I had the #2 prospect in the league who was playing great in AAA and with an injury to my starting CF, which he also is, I decided to bring him up as a backup to my normal backup. I ended up starting him like 5 games since his ratings are a fair bit better than my backup's ratings and he stunk the joint up. He couldn't hit, he couldn't field, he couldn't even not get picked off. Other than 1 game in which he got 2 infield hits due to his speed, he was a total disaster. I went back to starting my backup and am leaving the kid off the playoff roster. I don't know this for sure of course, but I suspect that at least some players who have never been in the majors before may have a diminishing factor applied to them. It'd make sense. Some players IRL seem to get starstruck in the majors. I'm hoping that next year's pre-season will help him get past that. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

02-03-2025, 02:23 PM	#7
mytreds All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,182	I’d promote and play him every three or four games. I have best results this way. __________________ “Baseball isn’t statistics; it’s Joe DiMaggio rounding second.” “Once, centuries ago, it was the beloved national pastime of the Americas, Wesley. Abandoned by a society that prized fast food and faster games. Lost to impatience.” “ The term ‘WAR’ should be replaced by ‘WAG’. WAR isn’t an actual measurement; it’s just a wild-ass guess” -Bill James RIP National League 1876-2022 Floreat semper vel invita morte. I make custom ballparks.

02-04-2025, 06:56 PM	#8
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	It seems the more pertinent is whether 45 is good enough to play for your team. Last edited by Brad K; 02-04-2025 at 07:51 PM.

02-03-2025, 12:12 PM	#2
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,125 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I wouldn't recommend relying too heavily on that Overall number. It should be referenced more as a quick guide than the heavy decision maker. If all of the other signs say to call them up (and it makes sense for you and how you will use the player) then call them up.

02-03-2025, 12:14 PM	#3
Skevich Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 63	That is good to hear, thank you!

02-03-2025, 12:35 PM	#5
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,712 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	40 is Bench Level, Swing/Spot SP or Middle RP or 1 WAR So yes they are good enough to play MLB level. If they are a prospect they generally are better off in the minors till they are 50 or above

02-03-2025, 12:47 PM	#6
Larryk007 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 514	Yes, skip the overall, look at the individual ratings, it is fun to see the real value of the player. If I have a player with less than 50 on any of the basic ratings (20-80 scale) then they must have something to balance. Great defense, high Stuff, High Power, then yes see how they fit. I now have a minimum for pitchers that I use, and that is a minimum of 50 on Movement. Very rare will I let a less than 50 Movement pitcher onto the MLB roster. IMO those less than 50 Movement pitchers get destroyed!

02-05-2025, 02:20 PM	#9
tonnage Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Stony Plain, Alberta Posts: 490	I have a player on my fictional team who's rated a 45 at 1st base and 40 at SS and 2B. He has a 50 contact rating, 55 gap, and 60 power. While not a great fielder, his bat more than makes up for it. I use him as a utility player. He makes the odd error but I can live with that for his 280 avg and 15 home runs every year.

02-06-2025, 03:27 PM	#10
s1c1l1anm0bst3r Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 68	I'm a big stats driven player. If his stats excel in his current league and he's had at least around 250 AB, heavily consider it. If he projects to be better than who he's replacing, or you're so far out of it that you want to get him playing time, those add to positive reasons to call him up

02-07-2025, 04:49 PM	#11
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	Development is best at the ML level, and that isn't stat-driven. they can perform poorly and that's okay, relatively speaking. I still think extreme incompetence is dangerous for development - i.e. significantly over-matched talent. If it's a player with high potential and you can work him in without hurting your team, it's a good thing to do more times than not. even if they sit on bench for a year or more, usually won't destroy their ratings. Development isn't supposed to be base don stats, but i think they do need to play at least a little bit to avoid some negative effects. 1 year of absolute rot seems low risk, but if they do nothing for too long definitely seems to drag some down in the past. also, ratings are more accurate at the ML level. In a couple months if their potential tanks, good chance they were falsely overrated. If you have other options, good idea to test trade market at this time just in case another team's scouting info is still reflecting a higher potential than reality. Club control may be a reason to delay. Make sure you keep them in AAA/AA long enough to avoid accruing a year of ML service.