minimum days of service???

[Reed]

Not a bug but a design flaw???
Why is the default minimum days of service 172 days??? (yes I know currently MLB uses 172 days)
Especially if I'm playing historical in 1910.
Easily missed setting if a league is built but user decides to use a modified shorter schedule. It can really mess up the HOF service time.

1. Seems like the default value should correspond or have a relationship to the game year being used.

2. Also this setting is easily missed in the financial tab. Seems like a better placement would be in the Options tab near where you set the schedule length.

[Le Grande Orange]

MLB has been using 172 days since at least the 1950s, a time when the regular season was only 168 days long. I suspect the number is somehow connected to U.S. labor laws given that it has never changed even though the regular season has lengthened. If I recall correctly the need to compute partial season service started with the rule stating that major league players with ten or more years of ML service could not be outrighted to the minors.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

MLB has been using 172 days since at least the 1950s, a time when the regular season was only 168 days long. I suspect the number is somehow connected to U.S. labor laws given that it has never changed even though the regular season has lengthened. If I recall correctly the need to compute partial season service started with the rule stating that major league players with ten or more years of ML service could not be outrighted to the minors.

Thank you for the history lesson but it doesn't address the problem.
The problem arises when someone want to use a shorter schedule like 120 game or 100 games or even shorter. If the don't remember to go to the rules page and change the service time it could mess up the years service time for HOF consideration.
It is perfectly fine to leave the default setting at 172 games but I think a better placement for the option (and reminder) would be on the options tab where you set the number of games for the schedule.

[David Watts]

I 100% agree with Reed.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by Reed

Thank you for the history lesson but it doesn't address the problem.
The problem arises when someone want to use a shorter schedule like 120 game or 100 games or even shorter. If the don't remember to go to the rules page and change the service time it could mess up the years service time for HOF consideration.
It is perfectly fine to leave the default setting at 172 games but I think a better placement for the option (and reminder) would be on the options tab where you set the number of games for the schedule.

Then change it to match your league. It is under Financials left side very bottom.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by twins_34

Then change it to match your league. It is under Financials left side very bottom.

Did you read my post? I literally said it’s in the financial tab. I just feel it would be better under the option tab where it can act as a reminder for those that use a short schedule. Leave the default at 172. Some people play with finances off and don’t think about going there to change the setting?. Even with finances on they may forget to go back to the finance tab if they shorten their schedule.

If you want to explain why it is better in the financial tab instead of under the option tab where you put the number of games then please do so.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by twins_34

Then change it to match your league. It is under Financials left side very bottom.

It's not even close to the very bottom. Pretty sloppy on your part. I spend 2 hours looking for this feature based on your post. Shame on you.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by David Watts

It's not even close to the very bottom. Pretty sloppy on your part. I spend 2 hours looking for this feature based on your post. Shame on you.

I posted It is under Financials left side very bottom.

Looks like it is right where I said it was. Look at the screenshot. Shame on you for saying someone is wrong when I said it is right where it is at.

Edit, I have reserve clause on, so yeah... that is why it is at where it is at in my game. So, no I was not wrong...

It is in the MIDDLE of the page when reserve clause is off.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by Reed

Did you read my post? I literally said it’s in the financial tab. I just feel it would be better under the option tab where it can act as a reminder for those that use a short schedule. Leave the default at 172. Some people play with finances off and don’t think about going there to change the setting?. Even with finances on they may forget to go back to the finance tab if they shorten their schedule.

If you want to explain why it is better in the financial tab instead of under the option tab where you put the number of games then please do so.

Well, no... I think it is right where it should be because that whole page area deals with contracts, FA, FA comps, service years for FA. and 172 days equals 1 service year. So, no... not unless you are going to move all of that, it really does not make sense just moving the days for service year. Unless you mean to move that whole section (reserve clause + non-reserve clause) section to options. but still, on the right hand side has all the data for contract salary stuff. So, no I don't see the need?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by twins_34

I posted It is under Financials left side very bottom.

Looks like it is right where I said it was. Look at the screenshot. Shame on you for saying someone is wrong when I said it is right where it is at.

Edit, I have reserve clause on, so yeah... that is why it is at where it is at in my game. So, no I was not wrong...

It is in the MIDDLE of the page when reserve clause is off.

Would have been nice if you mentioned that part about having the reserve clause on in your first post, or even before you cast shame on me. Like I said, I wasted 2 hours staring at the bottom of the financials screen looking for the minimum days feature. 2 hours I will never get back. Sad.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Would have been nice if you mentioned that part about having the reserve clause on in your first post, or even before you cast shame on me. Like I said, I wasted 2 hours staring at the bottom of the financials screen looking for the minimum days feature. 2 hours I will never get back. Sad.

Not my fault. If my page didn't look like your page, you should have read the different options. You knew where it was located, it was on that page, it never moved from the financials page. you just didn't take the time to actually read the options on that page so, blaming me for the loss of 2 hours is not my fault. Next time take your time and read through the section that was pointed out as the location of the option. Take responsibility for your own actions. If I would not have found it in 5 mins, I would have posted and said, "I do not see it there and your page looks different than mine" Not wasted 2 hours.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by twins_34

Not my fault. If my page didn't look like your page, you should have read the different options. You knew where it was located, it was on that page, it never moved from the financials page. you just didn't take the time to actually read the options on that page so, blaming me for the loss of 2 hours is not my fault. Next time take your time and read through the section that was pointed out as the location of the option. Take responsibility for your own actions. If I would not have found it in 5 mins, I would have posted and said, "I do not see it there and your page looks different than mine" Not wasted 2 hours.

C'mon Twins, that's just not very responsible. Why did you post what you did if it wasn't true? Why? Just sloppy. I know in the future, I will think twice before I commit any of my valuable time to following the advice of someone that is so reckless. Live and learn I guess. I do know one thing, Reed made a observation in regards to how it's easy to forget to change minimum service time when playing leagues that aren't using a 162 game schedule. Your response was rude to say the least and sloppy in that you misinformed millions of OT users in regards to where the "minimum service time" feature is located. Glad it was in the technical forums or even more people could have be led down the wrong path to oblivion. I will forgive you and learn to be more self reliant when it comes to playing OOTP.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Reed

Did you read my post? I literally said it’s in the financial tab. I just feel it would be better under the option tab where it can act as a reminder for those that use a short schedule. Leave the default at 172. Some people play with finances off and don’t think about going there to change the setting?. Even with finances on they may forget to go back to the finance tab if they shorten their schedule.

If you want to explain why it is better in the financial tab instead of under the option tab where you put the number of games then please do so.

Originally Posted by twins_34

Well, no... I think it is right where it should be because that whole page area deals with contracts, FA, FA comps, service years for FA. and 172 days equals 1 service year. So, no... not unless you are going to move all of that, it really does not make sense just moving the days for service year. Unless you mean to move that whole section (reserve clause + non-reserve clause) section to options. but still, on the right hand side has all the data for contract salary stuff. So, no I don't see the need?

I agree with twins_34...

As is the days of service is literally under the heading of
"Financial & Free Agency Settings". Days of service determines years of service and eventually FA itself. Moving it elsewhere makes no sense IMHO and would cause users to have a harder time finding it.

[kq76]

What is everyone supposed to do, David? Read all your posts to see exactly how you play and then tailor their replies so they apply specifically to you? Get over yourself. If it's not exactly where someone says it is, then look around a bit more. You've been around here for 22 years, surely you know that the screen changes based on the options you choose. Don't tell us it took you 2 hours to look through one screen. I'm really getting fed up with your antagonistic posting style. Find some sunshine already.

I'm going to close this thread.

OP, FWIW I agree with you and I think I once thought about the same thing. I can see why OOTP puts it on the Fin'l screen as it applies to both, but most people probably aren't going to bother changing this option unless they do change their scheduled games so why not put it with the schedule options. Maybe put it in both plays or leave a note in one spot?