Do we think OOTP 24 will add NCAA baseball?

[Infinite_Jester54]

For those who don't play FHM, one of the big new features this year was the addition of the NCAA hockey league, with players and team names (logos are fictional). This involved adding new features for recruitment, scholarships, red-shirting, academic eligibility, and drafting. With those features in place, do we think there is a good shot of NCAA being added into the game this year? I know that FHM and OOTP use different code bases, but you would have to imagine it would be somewhat interusable.


As a big college baseball (and hockey) fan, this would definitely be a top feature for me.

[Syd Thrift]

The problem on the OOTP side is that the game doesn't really have a great way of implementing leagues in which maybe 1 or 2 players per team are good enough to eventually enter the draft. For high school it'd be even more extreme - probably see at most a couple players per league, let alone team - and a big fat lot of it I think is that if you really and truly simmed out games like that, it'd slow sims down to an absolute crawl (imagine a thousand games a day!).

What OOTP has instead is the option to create feeder leagues. I don't really like them but I guess they "work" so long as you accept that the entire process is meant to be abstracted. Feeder leagues are leagues in which every single player who is in them is meant to be draft-eligible eventually. You'll find out that you wind up using a fraction of actual "colleges" and so few high schools that it's probably better to create regional "prep academies" and create alternate universes that way. This process really hasn't been touched since it was created several years ago and TBH I don't think they're popular enough for the devs to want to spend a lot of time on anyway.

[spleen1015]

I don't think we'll ever see it.

I asked about feeders before. Feeders don't get any attention because they're not used very much. One could argue they would be used more if they were better, but this is how it is.

Based on that, I don't think we'll ever see NCAA baseball.

[Sweed]

I used feeders for quite a while and they worked well for me. However when OOTP introduced it's created draft classes with stats, schools and level of competition the feeders became obsolete IMHO.

With created draft classes I get players that are just as good, if not better, draft material without the sim time of feeders or the disk space used to support those leagues.

Again, YMMV.

[mgom27]

Eastside Hockey Manager has it.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Infinite_Jester54

For those who don't play FHM, one of the big new features this year was the addition of the NCAA hockey league, with players and team names (logos are fictional). This involved adding new features for recruitment, scholarships, red-shirting, academic eligibility, and drafting. With those features in place, do we think there is a good shot of NCAA being added into the game this year? I know that FHM and OOTP use different code bases, but you would have to imagine it would be somewhat inter-usable.

As a big college baseball (and hockey) fan, this would definitely be a top feature for me.

I’d love it if they did. And on that note I’m putting that I think there’s a chance this happens out into the universe.

“Think big get in big is my motto” - Trugoy the Dove.

[itsmb8]

I think they will add it.

Not in a playable version, but maybe a more detailed background simulation so you can see stats and game outcomes during the season.

[redranger]

I would really love to see it. In a playable version much like FHM has it


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[Mr. Marlin]

Beware what you wish for. I use feeder leagues in fictional games and you need to keep the size of them manageable. Performance slow down dur to bloated saves is a thing. And real life college baseball is NOT small.

Maybe what itsmb8 mentioned it workable

[mytreds]

I doubt they’ll care about it. They have bigger fish to fry.

[mjryan65]

The NCAA setup I run (Described here - https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...&postcount=111) has a high school feeder league with 610 schools that produce about 3000 high school seniors each year for the MLB draft. About 500 are drafted (plus another 250 from the NCAA). The undrafted high school seniors, and those drafted high school seniors who elect not to sign, are then available for my NCAA recruiting process. The 142 schools only need about 1200 incoming freshmen, so the numbers work out pretty well. The system doesn't bog down. To Syd's point, there are, on average, only two players drafted in the MLB draft per school, but that hasn't been a problem (your Longhorns and Trojans get four or five drafted per year and your Butlers and Valpo's usually don't get anyone drafted). OOTP even does a nice job of retiring some Juniors who don't see a path to the pros and maybe haven't been getting a lot of playing time, making their senior year a waste.

So the current OOTP feeder system can work to support a playable NCAA setup. it will still take some programming effort from Markus and the crew, but the current engine would support it.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by Infinite_Jester54

For those who don't play FHM, one of the big new features this year was the addition of the NCAA hockey league, with players and team names (logos are fictional). This involved adding new features for recruitment, scholarships, red-shirting, academic eligibility, and drafting. With those features in place, do we think there is a good shot of NCAA being added into the game this year? I know that FHM and OOTP use different code bases, but you would have to imagine it would be somewhat interusable.


As a big college baseball (and hockey) fan, this would definitely be a top feature for me.

no.

[Reed]

Not with the recent ruling concerning NIL.
Didn’t EA have to pay a hefty fine for using college players names?
I think it is a slippery road that OOTP would want to avoid.
I guess you could if you just want to use fictional names.

[Sweed]

I think, like EA Sports' college baseball game of '06 and '07, there would be little interest to the masses. On these boards you will find some interest. In the larger pool of users or potential users real? Not so much.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I think, like EA Sports' college baseball game of '06 and '07, there would be little interest to the masses. On these boards you will find some interest. In the larger pool of users or potential users real? Not so much.

I tend to agree with you. But I would've said the same thing about an NCAA league in Franchise Hockey Manager.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Reed

Not with the recent ruling concerning NIL.
Didn’t EA have to pay a hefty fine for using college players names?
I think it is a slippery road that OOTP would want to avoid.
I guess you could if you just want to use fictional names.

At worst I’d imagine it would be the same as OOTP handled MLB before they got that license: they set up the framework and leave it up to fans to create a 3rd party mod that includes everything. The Japanese League stuff wouldn’t apply; you’re talking about a different country with completely different copyright law (no dice making a Japanese collegiate system though). I don’t think player names are covered under those laws either (likenesses I think would be). I think there’d still be a huge amount of work to essentially convert the game to use some new kind of ratings system that covers very low skilled players relative to Major League Baseball, or else some kind of parallel system you’d have to run in tandem before converting college ratings into pro ratings.

The more I talk into it, the more I see that it’s not insurmountable; indeed, you could even probably set up a system like the latter using mods (the big doozy would be the one you use to export, convert, and re-update players, but the Sierra games back in the olden days had modders do arguably more far-reaching things than this). To me it’s a fair bit of work for a sport that’s not nearly as popular relative to the pro game as basically any of the other Big Four sports, but sure, this is something someone could even create as a POC if they wanted to…

[pennykunkle]

Originally Posted by Infinite_Jester54

For those who don't play FHM, one of the big new features this year was the addition of the NCAA hockey league, with players and team names (logos are fictional). This involved adding new features for recruitment, scholarships, red-shirting, academic eligibility, and drafting. With those features in place, do we think there is a good shot of NCAA being added into the game this year? I know that FHM and OOTP use different code bases, but you would have to imagine it would be somewhat interusable.


As a big college baseball (and hockey) fan, this would definitely be a top feature for me.

That would be very nice, except it looks like we'll just stick with the idea that it will be done soon and I'm guessing it will be done pretty badly(( By the way about the college competition that will be soon, I would like to participate, I'm just not sure if I succeed with the homework, because we have a lot of writing to do and I wanted to ask if anyone used https://edubirdie.com/write-my-paper because it seems to be something good for a student, they say I can write my paper, this seems to be a good idea because I won't have to spend so much time for this.

[oldfatbaldguy]

Originally Posted by mgom27

Eastside Hockey Manager has it.

It's garbage, though. It's basically another junior league. Not at all like college hockey.

[Lawn Loaf]

OOTP will never release any NCAA in the base game, especially after the old Nipon league fiasco! No worries, I am building a complete OOTP College world for the Mods. It will be released in late April. It will be the best college mod on OOTP!

[oldfatbaldguy]

How are you going to handle recruiting, Lawn Loaf? To me that's the biggest obstacle to grafting colleges on to any of these pro sports management sims. The way players are acquired is not similar at all.