Players playing to an old age...

[Greymantle]

Anything you can do to stop players from playing to 40 and beyond without forced retirement? In my historical league, I have too many players playing way beyond the age where most baseball players would be long gone.

Even the mighty Ted Williams shouldn't be producing as he did in his twenties to early thirties at 40 years old. Ok, maybe Ted Williams is a bad example but you get my point.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by Greymantle

Anything you can do to stop players from playing to 40 and beyond without forced retirement? In my historical league, I have too many players playing way beyond the age where most baseball players would be long gone.

Even the mighty Ted Williams shouldn't be producing as he did in his twenties to early thirties at 40 years old. Ok, maybe Ted Williams is a bad example but you get my point.

Setting an upper age limit and / or ageing to slightly higher than 1 are options to consider.

[Greymantle]

Originally Posted by luckymann

Setting an upper age limit and / or ageing to slightly higher than 1 are options to consider.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Can you give a little more information?

[Brad K]

I'm assuming you're playing with some version of recalc. If you have development off players may play a long time at high performance levels after their real life stats run out. So be sure development is on. The game defaults to development on when playing historical with recalc.

I haven't had anything I consider to be a problem with players being real good much longer than historical with these settings. But your view may be different. If you have the game set as described in the first paragraph go to Global settings the Players & Facegen tab. There are settings for batting and pitching aging and development speed. What luckyman is suggesting is that you change aging to higher than the 1.000 default.

[thehef]

In addition to what both Brad K and luckyman wrote, to the best of my knowledge the scenario that results in what you are finding is where you have historical transactions off, development off, and retire according to history off. This will result in, for example, Sandy Koufax remaining - ratings-wise - his dominant 1966 self until well in to his 40's.

The solution is to either use retire according to history, or to have development on. Even if development is set to 1 (the lowest), that will be enough for players' age to affect their ratings, and so you shouldn't see what you're finding.

Again, to the best of my knowledge, as I have not played this way nor tested this extensively.

[Greymantle]

Originally Posted by thehef

In addition to what both Brad K and luckyman wrote, to the best of my knowledge the scenario that results in what you are finding is where you have historical transactions off, development off, and retire according to history off. This will result in, for example, Sandy Koufax remaining - ratings-wise - his dominant 1966 self until well in to his 40's.

The solution is to either use retire according to history, or to have development on. Even if development is set to 1 (the lowest), that will be enough for players' age to affect their ratings, and so you shouldn't see what you're finding.

Again, to the best of my knowledge, as I have not played this way nor tested this extensively.

Thanks for all information. I do have PD off so my only choice is to turn it on or use the age setting. I will go with turning PD on even though I hate that feature for I don't understand the player development settings and not sure if I want to dive in to find the information. Then play test it over and over to find what I want. :P

[Greymantle]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I'm assuming you're playing with some version of recalc. If you have development off players may play a long time at high performance levels after their real life stats run out. So be sure development is on. The game defaults to development on when playing historical with recalc.

I haven't had anything I consider to be a problem with players being real good much longer than historical with these settings. But your view may be different. If you have the game set as described in the first paragraph go to Global settings the Players & Facegen tab. There are settings for batting and pitching aging and development speed. What luckyman is suggesting is that you change aging to higher than the 1.000 default.

This issue with me is I don't like PD it is way to random. For example, I had a picture that had all his skills go up. But his overall rating and potential rating went down. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Another thing I don't like is for example my player has his contact rating go up. Next update it goes down. Next update it goes up then back down again. blah :P

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Greymantle

This issue with me is I don't like PD it is way to random. For example, I had a picture that had all his skills go up. But his overall rating and potential rating went down. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Another thing I don't like is for example my player has his contact rating go up. Next update it goes down. Next update it goes up then back down again. blah :P

I understand. However, if you had PD on and Talent Change Randomness set to 1, that's almost as if PD is off; you should have very minimal instances of ratings going up & down. I mean, it'll vary a bit, but not much.

Give it a shot and see if that works for ya!

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by Greymantle

I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Can you give a little more information?

Ageing speed is the first screenshot below, it will make their skills erode at a faster rate and may help cut the hot 40s form you're talking about.

Age limit is the second screenshot. It simply means no players above that age are eligible to play in the league. It is enforced at the end of the season in which they pass the age set. You'll see I have set it at 45 for this historical save.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Greymantle

This issue with me is I don't like PD it is way to random. For example, I had a picture that had all his skills go up. But his overall rating and potential rating went down. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Another thing I don't like is for example my player has his contact rating go up. Next update it goes down. Next update it goes up then back down again. blah :P

Do you have scouting set to 100% accurate? What ratings scale are you using?

[Greymantle]

Originally Posted by thehef

I understand. However, if you had PD on and Talent Change Randomness set to 1, that's almost as if PD is off; you should have very minimal instances of ratings going up & down. I mean, it'll vary a bit, but not much.

Give it a shot and see if that works for ya!

When I have PD on I go with 50 random.

[Greymantle]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Do you have scouting set to 100% accurate? What ratings scale are you using?

I go with normal Scouting when I use it. With the rating scale, I use defaults for the most part. I use 20-80 and 20-80 increments of 5. I'm starting to believe the scouting system really screws the AI and I get a lot better players in the draft because of it.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by thehef

I understand. However, if you had PD on and Talent Change Randomness set to 1, that's almost as if PD is off; you should have very minimal instances of ratings going up & down. I mean, it'll vary a bit, but not much.

Give it a shot and see if that works for ya!

Hmmm.... it was my impression talent chance randomness was independent of development. Like development sets the long term path and TCR variation around that path. That's just an impression though.

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[Greymantle]

In my new Historical League, I have recalc on with it set to three years. Base Ratings is set to Neutralized Stats. Base potential ratings are set to peak seasons of Career. = (Feel this setting helps the AI) I also have Scouting off and Coaches off for I feel this helps the AI more than it hurts me.
My goal is to get a historical league with a few surprises and help the AI with drafting. With recalc on not sure I will get the result with some randomness. If I have recalc on do you even get any randomness? If yes, then I could go with recalc on and TCR 50. If not, I will go with recalc off and TCR 25.

[thehef]

Hmm. I don't understand how these two things jibe:

Originally Posted by Greymantle

I will go with turning PD on even though I hate that feature... it is way to random. For example, I had a picture that had all his skills go up. But his overall rating and potential rating went down. That doesn't make any sense to me. Another thing I don't like is for example my player has his contact rating go up. Next update it goes down. Next update it goes up then back down again. blah :P

Originally Posted by Greymantle

When I have PD on I go with 50 random.

I mean, given your dislike for what PD does, then a TCR of 50 is clearly too high for you. That's why I suggested at TCR setting of 1... Because it sounds like you don't really want development on, so with TCR set at 1, it will essentially be almost like development is off, but it will at least address the issue expressed in the OP. If that makes sense

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Hmmm.... it was my impression talent chance randomness was independent of development. Like development sets the long term path and TCR variation around that path. That's just an impression though.

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Interesting. My understanding is that Development is either on or off, but entirely dependent upon the TCR setting, that it's no different than if the game had one setting - say, "Development Degree" - and if that were set to 0 then development would be off and if it were set to any other number it then development would be on, to the degree of that number.

Yep, it's murky. I'll see if we can get some clarification on that from those who know...

[Greymantle]

Originally Posted by thehef

Hmm. I don't understand how these two things jibe:

I mean, given your dislike for what PD does, then a TCR of 50 is clearly too high for you. That's why I suggested at TCR setting of 1... Because it sounds like you don't really want development on, so with TCR set at 1, it will essentially be almost like development is off, but it will at least address the issue expressed in the OP. If that makes sense

If you read my last post I do want a few surprises and the only way to get that is to have PD on. The question is if you have recalc on does that trump PD and the randomness is gone? If yes, then I will turn off recalc and rely on TCR to get some surprises without it being overdone. If recalc is off then I will go with TCR 25. If not then 50 recalc if it doesn't trump PD. This is the assumption that recalc cuts down on some of the randomnesses.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Greymantle

If you read my last post I do want a few surprises and the only way to get that is to have PD on. The question is if you have recalc on does that trump PD and the randomness is gone? If yes, then I will turn off recalc and rely on TCR to get some surprises without it being overdone. If recalc is off then I will go with TCR 25. If not then 50 recalc if it doesn't trump PD. This is the assumption that recalc cuts down on some of the randomnesses.

Recalc on: Whatever happens to a player's development during the season will be reset by recalc after the season. So, IOW, development may change a player's ratings as the seasons progresses, but recalc will reset all of that at the end of the season (not reset to what it was, but reset it according to the player's stats for the upcoming season, or the 3- or 5-year period that applies, depending upon which recalc you're using).

Recalc off: This one can get a bit nutty. Players will import based upon their rookie-year stats and future stats are not factored in. So a guy who many have debuted as mostly a contact hitter but developed power over time may or may not develop into a power hitter. That would depend upon the whims of OOTP development, and his future power-hitting stats from real life would not be factored in. Simply put, guys who in real life were HOFers might seriously fizzle out in OOTP, and guys who merely had a cup o' coffee in the bigs could develop into OOTP HOFers...

Note: My understanding is that with recalc off and TCR set really low, like 1, would mean that throughout their entire OOTP career, players would essentially be very similar players as they were in their rookie year. Conversely, with recalc off and TCR set to the max, you'd essentially be assigning real life names to what would turn out to be pretty much fictional players.

Playing with recalc off, IMO, would bring many more surprises than you would seem to want. Can't say for sure, though...

Anyways, I'm not 100% on this answer to this...

Originally Posted by Greymantle

The question is if you have recalc on does that trump PD and the randomness is gone?

... but I think that a) the randomness as far as career development would be gone because recalc brings ratings in line with the player's real-life stats, however, b) randomness during each season would occur (to the degree of your TCR setting).

That's my understanding, anyway.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by thehef

Interesting. My understanding is that Development is either on or off, but entirely dependent upon the TCR setting, that it's no different than if the game had one setting - say, "Development Degree" - and if that were set to 0 then development would be off and if it were set to any other number it then development would be on, to the degree of that number.

Yep, it's murky. I'll see if we can get some clarification on that from those who know...

Maybe someone will remember.

[Greymantle]

I'm starting to think I'm not going to get what I want with the options we have. Well I prefer closer to history so recalc has to be on it seems.