OOTP Reviewed

PSUColonel · 12-16-2012, 05:44 PM

I hope OOTP is on STEAM next year, as I think it will open up a larger audience for it. In the meantime, I am surprised neither of these sights reviewed OOTP 13. Any idea why this may have been? They reviewed earlier versions.

Sports General Manager Games - GMGames.org

Video Game Reviews & News - GameSpot.com

Gamespot named FM 2013 "Sports Game of the Year" for 2012. It only got an eight, and that's what they gave OOTP 12 last year, but nothing in 2012.

PSUColonel · 12-17-2012, 11:19 AM

This one also:

IGN.com

FlexD · 12-17-2012, 11:54 PM

Probably due to the fact that the nuts and bolts, core of the game if you will, has basically remained the same..

The Wolf · 12-18-2012, 01:44 AM

Asking why game magazine/website editors and reviewers do what they do is like asking why cats do what they do.

Cras · 12-18-2012, 02:30 AM

Game reviews are a shady shady business. Especially when you throw in the likes of IGN into the mix.

PsychoBulk · 12-18-2012, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cras

Game reviews are a shady shady business. Especially when you throw in the likes of IGN into the mix.

Quite.

Far more about the $ than it is about any real impartiality.

kq76 · 12-18-2012, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cras

Game reviews are a shady shady business. Especially when you throw in the likes of IGN into the mix.

I know Gamespot took a big hit to their reputation when it came out they pressured their reviewers to give good scores to bad games from companies that paid Gamespot for advertising, but did it come out that IGN did too?

I also remember that, IINM, OOTP once said Gamespot refused to review OOTP because it was a downloadable-only game. With the way the industry is going to more downloadable-only you'd think that would change, but maybe not for all.

My guess is that for most review sites, there's just so many games out there now that they simply can't be bothered to review most games and low-profile games that come out each year like OOTP are probably already low on their list.

I do agree that it's become much more about the money than the reviewing now. Even if a site's reviews are all totally honest, the site is still probably much more concerned about making ad money than it is about having review content.

PSUColonel · 12-18-2012, 06:57 AM

I can agree with you guys regarding ign and game spot (even though they did review OOTP 12) but GM Games just seems like the type of site that would have reviews OOTP. After all, they just came out with their PureSim and DDS Basketball reviews.

BIG17EASY · 12-18-2012, 08:54 AM

The message boards on review sites are usually much more valuable than the reviews themselves, even if it takes a while to read through the posts to get a general sense of what people think of the game.

The Wolf · 12-18-2012, 11:06 AM

I know a former game reviewer who quit after an honest review was rejected because the game company advertised with the magazine, so, yeah, that happens.

It spoke well for him that when they asked him to write a whitewash review that he told them to stick it.

Cras · 12-18-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

I know Gamespot took a big hit to their reputation when it came out they pressured their reviewers to give good scores to bad games from companies that paid Gamespot for advertising, but did it come out that IGN did too?

IGN seems to work the other way actually. Developers must feed them with loads of exclusive material, and the more they feed IGN the better the review will be.

Or you can always stick one of IGN's 'personalities' in your game....that will do it. <cough> bioware </cough>

But with that being said, I agree that the comment sections are the real source for quality reviews of games.

and for what its worth, I have seen OOTP mentioned a good deal over on Operation Sports. That is about the only sports/sports gaming forum I visit, so I cant speak for the rest, but OS seems legit enough. Though I tend to find an awfully high amount of banned accounts.....

BIG17EASY · 12-18-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

IGN seems to work the other way actually. Developers must feed them with loads of exclusive material, and the more they feed IGN the better the review will be.

Or you can always stick one of IGN's 'personalities' in your game....that will do it. <cough> bioware </cough>

But with that being said, I agree that the comment sections are the real source for quality reviews of games.

and for what its worth, I have seen OOTP mentioned a good deal over on Operation Sports. That is about the only sports/sports gaming forum I visit, so I cant speak for the rest, but OS seems legit enough. Though I tend to find an awfully high amount of banned accounts.....

I agree about Operation Sports, although I'm not a fan of all the straight sports writing they've added. I thought they had a tremendous site when it was dedicated strictly to sports gaming, but now it's watered down with some poor sports writing, particularly the baseball writing.

Anyway, the forums are a treasure mine there. Lots of good info and a really good community similar to these boards. The only problem with OS reviews (and it's a problem with all review sites) is that they rush out their review within a few days of the release of a game, which means the reviewer only spends a few hours on a game. Sometimes it takes a week or more for bugs or problems to really become apparent, which again is why the forums are the best source of info on games. OS does do a good job of following up on reviews a couple weeks later, posting info on game updates, etc., which (to my knowledge) none of the big gaming sites do.

PSUColonel · 12-18-2012, 02:06 PM

They seem to give a lot of games very high scores though

Cras · 12-18-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I agree about Operation Sports, although I'm not a fan of all the straight sports writing they've added. I thought they had a tremendous site when it was dedicated strictly to sports gaming, but now it's watered down with some poor sports writing, particularly the baseball writing.

Anyway, the forums are a treasure mine there. Lots of good info and a really good community similar to these boards. The only problem with OS reviews (and it's a problem with all review sites) is that they rush out their review within a few days of the release of a game, which means the reviewer only spends a few hours on a game. Sometimes it takes a week or more for bugs or problems to really become apparent, which again is why the forums are the best source of info on games. OS does do a good job of following up on reviews a couple weeks later, posting info on game updates, etc., which (to my knowledge) none of the big gaming sites do.

That is a good point. It is their "2nd take" reviews that are the real ones in my book. Their first take ones tend to be fairly shallow and not very revealing.

And yeah, their sports writing is just clutter to me, that you have to weed through to get to the gaming stories. Spend most of my time on the forums anyway there.

RchW · 12-18-2012, 05:51 PM

Any magazine or journal that takes advertizing from the products they review can be considered suspect. I gave up on Car Mags a long time ago. Same with stereo equipment, TV's.

A good example: I've never seen Toshiba TV's get good reviews over decades, yet I've owned 4-5 of them liked them and think they have better pictures. Self affirming I'm sure.

Markus Heinsohn · 12-19-2012, 03:55 AM

Well, trust me, we tried of course to get reviewed on big websites / magazines etc. The problem is that often we do net get any reply at all, despite several tries (including license codes & download links etc.). Big websites like IGN, Gamespy, Gamespot don't seem to review independent games no more, unless you're brand new on the market. That of course changes when you do ads on the website, but we do not have the budget for that...

snepp · 12-19-2012, 05:24 AM

In summation, big sites don't give a flying **** about the little guy, or the gamers.

I get my reviews from the people that really count, those that play them.

The Wolf · 12-19-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by snepp

In summation, big sites don't give a flying **** about the little guy, or the gamers.

So small companies like OOTP can't grease their palms with ads and such like big companies can, so the products of small companies are basically ignored?

Personally I find that practice to be a bit corrupt.

Cras · 12-19-2012, 11:57 AM

Corrupt and downright ugly is a good way to describe the big time gaming industry right now. I don't think the industry has been in such a sorry state like it is right now. I is truly rotten. And due to various constraints, I doubt it will change for the better anytime soon, if ever.

PSUColonel · 12-19-2012, 12:03 PM

Yup it's ugly alright. The one I still can't get over though, is GMgames.org

It's a small site, that specializes in sports management games. Why on earth would they have not reviewed OOTP 13?

12-16-2012, 05:44 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,140	OOTP Reviewed I hope OOTP is on STEAM next year, as I think it will open up a larger audience for it. In the meantime, I am surprised neither of these sights reviewed OOTP 13. Any idea why this may have been? They reviewed earlier versions. Sports General Manager Games - GMGames.org Video Game Reviews & News - GameSpot.com Gamespot named FM 2013 "Sports Game of the Year" for 2012. It only got an eight, and that's what they gave OOTP 12 last year, but nothing in 2012.

12-18-2012, 02:30 AM	#5
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12-18-2012, 05:51 PM	#15
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Any magazine or journal that takes advertizing from the products they review can be considered suspect. I gave up on Car Mags a long time ago. Same with stereo equipment, TV's. A good example: I've never seen Toshiba TV's get good reviews over decades, yet I've owned 4-5 of them liked them and think they have better pictures. Self affirming I'm sure. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

12-19-2012, 03:55 AM	#16
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12-19-2012, 11:57 AM	#19
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	Corrupt and downright ugly is a good way to describe the big time gaming industry right now. I don't think the industry has been in such a sorry state like it is right now. I is truly rotten. And due to various constraints, I doubt it will change for the better anytime soon, if ever. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

12-17-2012, 11:19 AM	#2
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,140	This one also: IGN.com

12-17-2012, 11:54 PM	#3
FlexD Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 137	Probably due to the fact that the nuts and bolts, core of the game if you will, has basically remained the same..

12-18-2012, 06:57 AM	#8
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,140	I can agree with you guys regarding ign and game spot (even though they did review OOTP 12) but GM Games just seems like the type of site that would have reviews OOTP. After all, they just came out with their PureSim and DDS Basketball reviews.

12-18-2012, 08:54 AM	#9
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	The message boards on review sites are usually much more valuable than the reviews themselves, even if it takes a while to read through the posts to get a general sense of what people think of the game.

12-18-2012, 02:06 PM	#13
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,140	They seem to give a lot of games very high scores though

12-19-2012, 05:24 AM	#17
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,815	In summation, big sites don't give a flying **** about the little guy, or the gamers. I get my reviews from the people that really count, those that play them.

12-19-2012, 12:03 PM	#20
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,140	Yup it's ugly alright. The one I still can't get over though, is GMgames.org It's a small site, that specializes in sports management games. Why on earth would they have not reviewed OOTP 13?