Gambo/Spritze and OOTP 12

[awsombill]

Will the current Gambo and Spritze databases work with v12, or did the format of the historical database change again this year?

[Syd Thrift]

Since the databases are modeled after the Lahman database, I'm pretty sure the layout there only changes when Sean Lahman changes it. So... short answer = no, I don't think so (although I still have several OOTPless hours to go until I get my fix).

[Gambo]

<deleted> The busy board made this a duplicate.

[Gambo]

Actually the .odb files for the Gambo and Spritze's databases are at the moment incompatable with OOTP12. This is because there are two new files in this years database. Historical Managers and Manager Tendencies which need to be included for the ODBs to work.

Sorry guys.

I'm certain Spritze and I will get something out relatively soon. Once Spritze releases his latest version I will quickly turn around and get mine out also.

[Jeff1787]

I am doing a historical replay using the Spritze High School Player database for OOTP11 V3. Does that mean I can't import it to OOTP 12?

[Gambo]

As is I do not think so. It will likely give you an error and not import any further rookies.

[TDO]

still a newb here and not wanting to ruffle any feathers. have i missed the update to the gambo/spritze database? Just want to make sure i dont miss it not trying to harrass.

[hefalumps]

Originally Posted by TDO

still a newb here and not wanting to ruffle any feathers. have i missed the update to the gambo/spritze database? Just want to make sure i dont miss it not trying to harrass.

Just checked Padresfan's Mod site and don't see any recent updates to the Database files.

OOTP Databases

Although I do see the Historical Facegens have an update dated yesterday, which I am happily downloading as I type this!

[Gambo]

The Gambo/Spritze databases are not updated yet. Spritze is working on another project as of right now but once he does an update I will be quick to update my database also.

I will likely have two versions of my database this year. One for those who want to use real transactions and one for those who do not.

[Spritze]

Mr. Gambo: the last versions of the Spritze db for OOTP11 include 2010 stats so you don't really need to wait. Just use those with the two new csv's.

Then we can publish a 12.5 version when the PCL database is done. I'm going to try to get a newer version of my Spritze db's out this weekend but there ain't much in the way of additions that you'll care about and I'm not positive I'll be able to.

At the very least I DO plan on creating Spritze versions of what I mention in the first paragraph. Last years versions with the new csv's. That way gamers can play away.

[PadresFan]

Every year I tell myself that I'm going to try and figure out what these DB's do, and every year I forget...

So Gambo or Spritze, in a nutshell, what do you guys do that makes your offerings different from the Lahman DB? They get downloaded a lot from my site, so it must be somewhat interesting.....

[golander40]

Now that should be a "Velly" interesting answer.
Love their DB's won't play with anything else--truly makes for some really interesting "What If's"
Gil The Ancient One

[hefalumps]

Yeah... I read the Readme on PadresFan's website for the database downloads but I still didn't quite get it.

What I'm looking for in my 1954 Historical league that I'm getting ready to start is players whose debut dates have been altered to their actual professional debut, so they enter the draft the year they started playing in the minors in real life. It sounds like one of those files will do what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure which. I don't want them to automatically hit the draft when they're 18 and I don't care about all the fringe players... just players who eventually made the majors (don't care about those who didn't) with professional debut dates instead of ML debut dates.

Is that something that one of your databases can provide? If so, which one should I download?

Thanks in advance!

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by hefalumps

Yeah... I read the Readme on PadresFan's website for the database downloads but I still didn't quite get it.

What I'm looking for in my 1954 Historical league that I'm getting ready to start is players whose debut dates have been altered to their actual professional debut, so they enter the draft the year they started playing in the minors in real life. It sounds like one of those files will do what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure which. I don't want them to automatically hit the draft when they're 18 and I don't care about all the fringe players... just players who eventually made the majors (don't care about those who didn't) with professional debut dates instead of ML debut dates.

Is that something that one of your databases can provide? If so, which one should I download?

Thanks in advance!

For that you'll want one of the 9,264,375 Spritze databases (I think) when it comes out for OOTP12 if it isn't out already. Those who have used the Spritze databases before will have to guide you from here, as I've only ever used Gambo-Spritze and Spritze-Garlon before. Gambo-Spritze is another possibility for you, but I can't remember if that was professional (rather than MLB) debut date or not. The Spritze-Garlon has become the in game neutralized stats database, while the others are modified databases.

You can head to Padresfan's Mods website here and tool around in there and get a better idea of what it is that you're looking for. Click on the OOTP heading there, and then click on the Databases sub-heading. To the right of each database, there are links to threads that talk about/explain each individual database better than I can here. Good luck and hopefully the big cheeses will be along soon to help you out better than I can.

EDIT: hefalumps has a direct link to the OOTP databases in post #8 that gets you right where you need to be.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by hefalumps

Yeah... I read the Readme on PadresFan's website for the database downloads but I still didn't quite get it.

What I'm looking for in my 1954 Historical league that I'm getting ready to start is players whose debut dates have been altered to their actual professional debut, so they enter the draft the year they started playing in the minors in real life. It sounds like one of those files will do what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure which. I don't want them to automatically hit the draft when they're 18 and I don't care about all the fringe players... just players who eventually made the majors (don't care about those who didn't) with professional debut dates instead of ML debut dates.

Is that something that one of your databases can provide? If so, which one should I download?

Thanks in advance!

You need the Gambo for that, the Spritze regular version has all the Fringe. The Spritze High School has players available at age 18, The No Asians version has no Asians, The All Asians version has no non-Asians, The All Venusians version has only Venusians and lastly the Everyone in the Pool Version contains the entire universe of players.

The Spritze High School version is being tested right now as all the other versions are subsets of that one. Exactly the same but with different Master.csv's.

Also working with a couple fellers on a PCL database.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by PadresFan

Every year I tell myself that I'm going to try and figure out what these DB's do, and every year I forget...

So Gambo or Spritze, in a nutshell, what do you guys do that makes your offerings different from the Lahman DB? They get downloaded a lot from my site, so it must be somewhat interesting.....

I created mine because I play OOTP as a minor league managerater and never had no players what made the majors and that were simply because there wasn't enough as everyone from the Lahman only appeared once they made the majors. So I added players real minor league seasons so they spent the proper amount of time where I could get to them in the minors and mess with their minds. My db as like 2,000 real players available most seasons whereas the Lahman has like 600. So for me the Quantity is the difference.

[Gambo]

I created mine with the feeling that to really manage a real historical organization you need to have access to as much of the whole organization as possible in order to make decisions. If I'm the Yankees in the 80s should I trade Fred McGriff? Can't make that decision unless I have Fred McGriff to start with.

So because his stat system was so good I decided to work together with him to do an alternate version of his DB where the players will import the 1st year they played professionally, with the organization they started with. Not 18, not MLB debut, not primary organization.

The other major differences are is mine is designed for neutralized stats only so you can still play with full history AND though I use all the minor leaguers included with Spritze I only include about 50 Japanese players.

I am currently working on mine and there will be two versions, one just like last years and one that is designed for use with "real transactions".

[golander40]

One thing I'm not sure about, (well-actually lots -but) Does your DB contain the Negro League Players as Spritze does ?
Thanks much
Gil The Ancient One

[Gambo]

Yep...Spritze's and mine use the same root information. All his players are contained in mine. What I basically do is start from Spritze's database, correct the team information, trim out yearly statistics that aren't encompassed in mine, fix up a smidgen of master file information, remove the playerid from the Japanese/Korean players that I don't include and it's good to go. I also tweak the format so that it still shows the correct "real MLB historical" statistics.

This is why I usually release mine shortly after Spritze or when he sends me some updated files when I request them. Josh Gibson in Spritze's database is the same Josh Gibson in my database.

In my opinion Spritze's is a better database for creating a fictional league using the real players where mine is better for creating an alternate-history league.

[mikecos23]

Great news to hear you guys are working on new database versions! I'm sure many historical players will agree that OOTP is not the same game without both databases! I keep hoping maybe the Spritze and Gambo databases will be incorporated into the actual game release some day some how