Ridiculous Injuries

ftursi · 06-25-2009, 01:43 AM

Let me preface all this by saying that I have been playing this game for many, many years and have played dozens of historical replays.

There is something very definitely wrong with the injury function in 10. I set up a MLB historical league starting in 1910 and am now starting the 1913 season. Ty Cobb, who is on my team, has yet to play a full season. This is a player, who in real life routinely got 600 ABs a season. The most he's gotten for me is 238. He has spent most of each season on the DL. He was injured in the first game of the 1913 season and is out for 7 months. In 1912, he went down for 10 weeks, played three games and went down for four more weeks. His injury ratings don't seem especially high -- all in the low 80s. Injuriy frequency is set at normal, which is how I've always set it.

And it's not just Cobb. At one point in the 1912 season I had seven players on the DL, including three of four starting pitchers; Heine Groh, who was out for the season; and two other starting position players. In the 1911 season, two starting pitchers went down for the season within a couple of days of each other. The injuries seem to be more prevelant if you allow the computer to automatically play games, rather than playing inning by inning.

I have never had this problem with any other version of the game. I'm going to try and turn the injury frequency down to low and see if it improves. If not, I'm going back to 9.

Is anyone else having this problem?

captaincarl · 06-25-2009, 02:39 AM

In real life Ty Cobb, for the time span from 1910 on, played in 150 or more games in only 3 seasons (out of 19) and in 140-149 games in 5 seasons. That's less than half (8 of 19). Except for two seasons (1922 & 1927), he played in less than 130 games, with a high of 128 and a low of 79, for the other 11 seasons. I'm guessing that he's not going to be healthy enough to play a full season for the rest of his career in your case.

You could try setting the injury level at low to see if he could stay healthy longer but I don't know if it's going to help him in this case.

Also, he only had 600+ at bats in 2 of his 24 years, 1907 (605) and 1924 (625).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...cobbty01.shtml

kq76 · 06-25-2009, 03:15 AM

Forgetting about Ty Cobb for a moment, were there just a lot less injuries in those days? I've never looked at it, but it's always been my impression that there were less day-to-day injuries but a lot more CEI. Anyone ever really looked at that?

Regardless, I thought there was some option that was supposed to help ensure historical players were as good as they were in real life. Was it just to do with ratings, not with injuries and thereby playing time?

EDIT: It looks like I was thinking of "Recalc player ratings based on real stats after each year". That playing time idea might make for a good suggestion for historical fans though. Feel free to post it.

captaincarl · 06-25-2009, 03:27 AM

I'm guessing that there were probably more CEI injuries than today because of modern medicine and practices in healing injuries. I'm also guessing that there were less day-to-day injuries due to the player(s) being fearful of losing their position and/or job if they took the time off.

As far as the players playing as good as they were in real life, I think that has more to do with their individual ratings and not their injuries.

swampdragon · 06-25-2009, 01:35 PM

I know that in OOTP 9, all of the non-statistical ratings such as greed, work ethic, and durability appeared to be randomly generated. If you want your Cobbs and Speakers to be durable, you'll need to edit that rating.

06-25-2009, 01:43 AM	#1
ftursi Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 13	Ridiculous Injuries Let me preface all this by saying that I have been playing this game for many, many years and have played dozens of historical replays. There is something very definitely wrong with the injury function in 10. I set up a MLB historical league starting in 1910 and am now starting the 1913 season. Ty Cobb, who is on my team, has yet to play a full season. This is a player, who in real life routinely got 600 ABs a season. The most he's gotten for me is 238. He has spent most of each season on the DL. He was injured in the first game of the 1913 season and is out for 7 months. In 1912, he went down for 10 weeks, played three games and went down for four more weeks. His injury ratings don't seem especially high -- all in the low 80s. Injuriy frequency is set at normal, which is how I've always set it. And it's not just Cobb. At one point in the 1912 season I had seven players on the DL, including three of four starting pitchers; Heine Groh, who was out for the season; and two other starting position players. In the 1911 season, two starting pitchers went down for the season within a couple of days of each other. The injuries seem to be more prevelant if you allow the computer to automatically play games, rather than playing inning by inning. I have never had this problem with any other version of the game. I'm going to try and turn the injury frequency down to low and see if it improves. If not, I'm going back to 9. Is anyone else having this problem?

06-25-2009, 02:39 AM	#2
captaincarl Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Barrington, RI Posts: 4,363	In real life Ty Cobb, for the time span from 1910 on, played in 150 or more games in only 3 seasons (out of 19) and in 140-149 games in 5 seasons. That's less than half (8 of 19). Except for two seasons (1922 & 1927), he played in less than 130 games, with a high of 128 and a low of 79, for the other 11 seasons. I'm guessing that he's not going to be healthy enough to play a full season for the rest of his career in your case. You could try setting the injury level at low to see if he could stay healthy longer but I don't know if it's going to help him in this case. Also, he only had 600+ at bats in 2 of his 24 years, 1907 (605) and 1924 (625). http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...cobbty01.shtml Last edited by captaincarl; 06-25-2009 at 02:41 AM.

06-25-2009, 03:15 AM	#3
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,035	Forgetting about Ty Cobb for a moment, were there just a lot less injuries in those days? I've never looked at it, but it's always been my impression that there were less day-to-day injuries but a lot more CEI. Anyone ever really looked at that? Regardless, I thought there was some option that was supposed to help ensure historical players were as good as they were in real life. Was it just to do with ratings, not with injuries and thereby playing time? EDIT: It looks like I was thinking of "Recalc player ratings based on real stats after each year". That playing time idea might make for a good suggestion for historical fans though. Feel free to post it. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080) Last edited by kq76; 06-25-2009 at 03:29 AM.

06-25-2009, 01:35 PM	#5
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	I know that in OOTP 9, all of the non-statistical ratings such as greed, work ethic, and durability appeared to be randomly generated. If you want your Cobbs and Speakers to be durable, you'll need to edit that rating. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-25-2009, 03:27 AM	#4
captaincarl Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Barrington, RI Posts: 4,363	I'm guessing that there were probably more CEI injuries than today because of modern medicine and practices in healing injuries. I'm also guessing that there were less day-to-day injuries due to the player(s) being fearful of losing their position and/or job if they took the time off. As far as the players playing as good as they were in real life, I think that has more to do with their individual ratings and not their injuries.