Shawn Chacon chokes GM, throws him down.

Jordan · 06-26-2008, 12:16 AM

Astros suspend pitcher Shawn Chacon indefinitely - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

Sounds like career suicide to me

CRTsports.com · 06-26-2008, 12:17 AM

Been a big fan of Shawn for a long time and was shocked to hear that this went down. Hopefully he can make it with another team.

Big Hugg · 06-26-2008, 12:39 AM

Reggie Abercrombie broke it up.

First relevant thing he's done since the 480+ foot home run in Cincinnati.

Left-handed Badger · 06-26-2008, 01:46 AM

Well, it said grabbed him by the neck and threw him down, said nothing about choking.

(could have grabbed by the back of neck or whatever by that clipping)

Anyhow, you should have just titled it player chokes GM. We could have all assumed it was Ricciardi.

Prodigal Son · 06-26-2008, 03:28 AM

Maybe I'm a bit crazy, but is this really that big of a deal? Tense situation, out of the public eye (relatively--not during a game, anyway), wasn't handled well at all by Wade, yelling, Chacon tosses him to the ground, no punches reported as being thrown, teammates break it up, both Wade and Chacon are pretty professional about with the media afterwards. Maybe I'm old fashioned, or have too much Marine Corps blood still in me, but people just pushed across the line sometimes. Guys fight. That's not condoning it, and I don't have a problem with there being punishment, but it would be a shame if this guy were to be blackballed from the majors for this.

Erik W. · 06-26-2008, 03:33 AM

You make good points, Prod, but name a job in the real world where you could throw your boss to the the ground and climb on top of him and not be fired.

Well, if you're not female, that is.

Prodigal Son · 06-26-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

You make good points, Prod, but name a job in the real world where you could throw your boss to the the ground and climb on top of him and not be fired.

Well, if you're not female, that is.

They can fire him. I'd just like to think that if you did something like that, you could probably get a job somewhere else in the industry.

And I'm not sure pro sports are very analogous to office jobs. Name an office job where you're expected to help the team by taking a 92-MPH fastball to the elbow or lay out in a full dive, sliding across a coarse dirt/rubber mix and crashing into a wall. It's a different level of intensity and a much more physical profession than most. In some real-world intense, physical professions (like an MMA fighter going after a trainer or sparring partner, a junior Marine fighting with a senior Marine, or even a construction worker getting into it with a foreman), it wouldn't be too uncommon for this sort of thing to happen and for it to not be that big of a deal.

rudel.dietrich · 06-26-2008, 03:44 AM

If any of us assaulted our boss at our job we would be terminated immediatly no questions asked and probably face some sort of legal trouble

Erik W. · 06-26-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

They can fire him. I'd just like to think that if you did something like that, you could probably get a job somewhere else in the industry.

I'm sure he will get another job.

By the way, I grew up around construction sites because my grandfather was a contractor and architect. If an employee hit a foreman he'd be lucky to be able to go back for his lunch pail and car keys before he was shown off the grounds.

Macho profession doesn't necessarily equate to being meatheaded.

TonyJ · 06-26-2008, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

You make good points, Prod, but name a job in the real world where you could throw your boss to the the ground and climb on top of him and not be fired.

Well, if you're not female, that is.

Sports is surely not the "real world". Teams will always give someone they think might help at least a chance, no matter how checkered the player's past. Hell, look at Latrell Sprewell. He did choke his coach and although the league suspended him for the season, the Knicks snapped him right up. Chacon doesn't have anywhere near Sprewell's talent, but I suspect that Chacon will catch on somewhere.

Erik W. · 06-26-2008, 04:09 AM

I wasn't saying he should never get another job in baseball. I was just saying I can see why the Astros would dump him, which they probably will.

TonyJ · 06-26-2008, 04:18 AM

Oh yeah, he won't play for the Astros again, at least as long as Ed Wade is the GM (two years tops? Three?).

marioh · 06-26-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

Sports is surely not the "real world". Teams will always give someone they think might help at least a chance, no matter how checkered the player's past. Hell, look at Latrell Sprewell. He did choke his coach and although the league suspended him for the season, the Knicks snapped him right up. Chacon doesn't have anywhere near Sprewell's talent, but I suspect that Chacon will catch on somewhere.

So true. If Chacon can still pitch effectively at the big league level, he'll find another job.

He'll probably just have to go through anger management courses or some other crap first.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-26-2008, 12:46 PM

I don't care what profession your in there is no good excuse for doing what Chacon did. There are plently of people in high pressure jobs that don't resort to violence. I am in high tech sales, if I don't hit quota I don't get paid. I have two kids a wife and a mortgage. I would certainly qualify that as high pressure. It's not a physical job, but I also don't get paid millions for playing ball on a guaranteed contract. I could get fired tomorrow and I don't get a paycheck, Chacon does. If I lose a sale there is no good excuse for physical or verbal assalts in this situation.

canadiancreed · 06-26-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

I'm sure he will get another job..

That guy that assaulted his coach in Golden State did, so I'm sure this guy will too.

AnotherAlias · 06-27-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

They can fire him. I'd just like to think that if you did something like that, you could probably get a job somewhere else in the industry.

Latrell Sprewell stayed in the NBA for another7 years after his choke hold on P.J. Carlesimo.

It will probably taint his career and other GMs might think twice about giving Chacon the opportunity to throw them down some day.

swampdragon · 06-27-2008, 08:49 AM

Talent generally wins out when GMs make hiring decisions in any sport. What Chacon just did was to cost himself a job with the Astros and to make his leash shorter wherever he catches on. He has to perform at a major league level consistently, or he'll be in an independent league in two years. He won't be babied, he won't be given time to get out of slumps, and he'll have to talk about this wherever he goes. That increases the pressure by 1000% or so, and most pitchers can't handle it (see Rocker, John). It's not a career ender, but it's the next thing to it.

Syd Thrift · 06-27-2008, 09:59 AM

OTOH, Izzy Alcantara never did live down the kung fu incident. Granted that he was a AAA player at the time. Chacon is somewhere between Alcantara and Sprewell.

marc · 06-27-2008, 01:23 PM

Congrats to Chacon for doing what every Phillies fan wanted to do to Ed Wade but couldn't during his tenure.

statman · 06-27-2008, 02:18 PM

Chacon is an idiot and I hope no team is stupid enough to give him a job. No matter what your feelings are towards the GM, using violence to solve your personal issues is unacceptable. The guy obviously has talent but no brains, it disgusts me that anyone thinks his behavior is acceptable and wants to give him another chance. Go flip some burgers at your local fast food chain Mr. Chacon and think about how you pissed away a career over what?

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06-26-2008, 01:46 AM	#4
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	Well, it said grabbed him by the neck and threw him down, said nothing about choking. (could have grabbed by the back of neck or whatever by that clipping) Anyhow, you should have just titled it player chokes GM. We could have all assumed it was Ricciardi. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

06-26-2008, 03:33 AM	#6
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	You make good points, Prod, but name a job in the real world where you could throw your boss to the the ground and climb on top of him and not be fired. Well, if you're not female, that is. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

06-26-2008, 04:09 AM	#11
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	I wasn't saying he should never get another job in baseball. I was just saying I can see why the Astros would dump him, which they probably will. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

06-26-2008, 12:39 AM	#3
Big Hugg All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 933	Reggie Abercrombie broke it up. First relevant thing he's done since the 480+ foot home run in Cincinnati.

06-26-2008, 03:28 AM	#5
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Maybe I'm a bit crazy, but is this really that big of a deal? Tense situation, out of the public eye (relatively--not during a game, anyway), wasn't handled well at all by Wade, yelling, Chacon tosses him to the ground, no punches reported as being thrown, teammates break it up, both Wade and Chacon are pretty professional about with the media afterwards. Maybe I'm old fashioned, or have too much Marine Corps blood still in me, but people just pushed across the line sometimes. Guys fight. That's not condoning it, and I don't have a problem with there being punishment, but it would be a shame if this guy were to be blackballed from the majors for this.

06-26-2008, 03:44 AM	#8
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	If any of us assaulted our boss at our job we would be terminated immediatly no questions asked and probably face some sort of legal trouble

06-26-2008, 04:18 AM	#12
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	Oh yeah, he won't play for the Astros again, at least as long as Ed Wade is the GM (two years tops? Three?). __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

06-26-2008, 12:46 PM	#14
Jose Cardenal's Afro Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 374	I don't care what profession your in there is no good excuse for doing what Chacon did. There are plently of people in high pressure jobs that don't resort to violence. I am in high tech sales, if I don't hit quota I don't get paid. I have two kids a wife and a mortgage. I would certainly qualify that as high pressure. It's not a physical job, but I also don't get paid millions for playing ball on a guaranteed contract. I could get fired tomorrow and I don't get a paycheck, Chacon does. If I lose a sale there is no good excuse for physical or verbal assalts in this situation.

06-27-2008, 08:49 AM	#17
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,506	Talent generally wins out when GMs make hiring decisions in any sport. What Chacon just did was to cost himself a job with the Astros and to make his leash shorter wherever he catches on. He has to perform at a major league level consistently, or he'll be in an independent league in two years. He won't be babied, he won't be given time to get out of slumps, and he'll have to talk about this wherever he goes. That increases the pressure by 1000% or so, and most pitchers can't handle it (see Rocker, John). It's not a career ender, but it's the next thing to it. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-27-2008, 01:23 PM	#19
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Congrats to Chacon for doing what every Phillies fan wanted to do to Ed Wade but couldn't during his tenure. __________________

06-27-2008, 02:18 PM	#20
statman Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 357	Chacon is an idiot and I hope no team is stupid enough to give him a job. No matter what your feelings are towards the GM, using violence to solve your personal issues is unacceptable. The guy obviously has talent but no brains, it disgusts me that anyone thinks his behavior is acceptable and wants to give him another chance. Go flip some burgers at your local fast food chain Mr. Chacon and think about how you pissed away a career over what?