Jake Peavy

Raderick · 09-03-2007, 01:44 AM

bababui · 09-03-2007, 02:06 AM

He's ghey

Jason Moyer · 09-03-2007, 07:01 AM

I think the most impressive part is that he's 8-0 with a 1.22 ERA on the road, so his stats aren't an illusion created by playing in the modern Astrodome.

Syd Thrift · 09-03-2007, 03:51 PM

I don't think San Diego's stadium is quite on the level of the Astrodome, but just because a guy is lights-out on the road doesn't mean his stats aren't affected by his home park, or more to the point it doesn't mean that they aren't less valuable because of their context.

That being said, he's still #1 in the NL in ERA+ by a pretty comfortable margin, so yeah, in conclusion he roxxors.

Jason Moyer · 09-03-2007, 07:13 PM

A run factor of .79 is pretty damn Astrodome-esque, but in any case, his badassness is definitely not a result of his home park.

eriqjaffe · 09-03-2007, 07:51 PM

Pfft. At home he's only 8-5 with a whopping 2.79 ERA. He suc...oh, wait, no, that's still really good.

darkhorse · 09-04-2007, 01:07 PM

He's the best pitcher in MLB this year.

Peavy/Young/Maddux/Germano is easily the best 1-4 rotation in baseball.

Best starting pitching MLB has seen since Oswalt/Clemens/Pettitte formed the best top three in MLB history two years back.

Much like the 2005 Astros, I would not want to face the Padres in the postseason.

jerrycapo · 09-04-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Best starting pitching MLB has seen since Oswalt/Clemens/Pettitte formed the best top three in MLB history two years back.

Were they really better than Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz between '94 - '96? I can not remember which was thier best year collectively off the top of my head.

eriqjaffe · 09-04-2007, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkhorse

Much like the 2005 Astros, I would not want to face the Padres in the postseason.

I can think of one other 2005 rotation that I'd like to face even less.

darkhorse · 09-05-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrycapo

Were they really better than Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz between '94 - '96? I can not remember which was thier best year collectively off the top of my head.

Clemens/Oswalt/Pettitte were all in the top five of all pitchers in MLB in 2005. The Braves rotation of that period is probably the best in ML history over an extended period, but for a single season the Houston trio takes the crown. All three of those guys were in the top five of all starting pitchers in MLB that year.

Edit: VORP Totals for the Houston three below for 2005.

Code:

1. Clemens  80.2
2. Pettitte 72.1
3. Oswalt   65.1
Total      217.4

The Braves totals for 1996 are the highest of the three years mentioned, '94 was a strike year and Maddux was the only member of the trio who had a big year. It's pretty close to Houston 2005.

Code:

1. Maddux   74.5
2. Smoltz   72.9
3. Glavine  62.5
Total      209.9

Skipaway · 09-05-2007, 05:48 PM

The Braves trio pitched more innings to pile up the VORP, so the Houston trio would probably look even better with rate stats.

PerfectMisnomer · 09-05-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Peavy/Young/Maddux/Germano is easily the best 1-4 rotation in baseball.

Rolando Arrojo, Wilson Alvarez, and Tony Saunders are turning in their MLB career grave's!

Skipaway · 09-05-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PerfectMisnomer

Rolando Arrojo, Wilson Alvarez, and Tony Saunders are turning in their MLB career grave's!

Wouldn't you need Julio Santana to make it four?

darkhorse · 09-06-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

The Braves trio pitched more innings to pile up the VORP, so the Houston trio would probably look even better with rate stats.

Hmmm......let's have a look. The trio's DERA (defense adjusted ERA) numbers for the respective seasons below.

Code:

Clemens   2.49
Pettitte  2.93
Oswalt    3.38

Maddux    3.05
Smoltz    3.19
Glavine   3.35

darkhorse · 09-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Two more BB Prospectus stats for comparison......WARP (Wins Above Replacement Player) and SNLVAR (Wins above replacement level adjusted for run support and the quality of the opposing hitters).

Code:

          WARP
Clemens   10.4  
Pettitte   9.4
Oswalt     9.5
Total     29.3

Maddux    10.3
Smoltz    10.8
Glavine    9.3
Total     30.4

Code:

         SNLVAR
Clemens    9.4    
Pettitte   8.6
Oswalt     7.7
Total     25.7

Maddux     8.3   
Smoltz     8.3
Glavine    7.9
Total     24.5

darkhorse · 09-06-2007, 12:13 PM

I'd still go with the Houston trio, but the gap remains small.

PerfectMisnomer · 09-06-2007, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Wouldn't you need Julio Santana to make it four?

That's a good point.

Jonzard · 09-06-2007, 11:08 PM

8 ER in 4 IP?

Jake Peavy sucks on 3 days rest

darkhorse · 09-07-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

8 ER in 4 IP?

Jake Peavy sucks on 3 days rest

I'm guessing Peavy's not clamoring for a return to the four man rotation.

And, from the white-out, I see we were on the same track.

09-03-2007, 07:01 AM	#3
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,088	I think the most impressive part is that he's 8-0 with a 1.22 ERA on the road, so his stats aren't an illusion created by playing in the modern Astrodome. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

09-03-2007, 07:13 PM	#5
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,088	A run factor of .79 is pretty damn Astrodome-esque, but in any case, his badassness is definitely not a result of his home park. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

09-03-2007, 07:51 PM	#6
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,684	Pfft. At home he's only 8-5 with a whopping 2.79 ERA. He suc...oh, wait, no, that's still really good. __________________

09-04-2007, 01:07 PM	#7
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	He's the best pitcher in MLB this year. Peavy/Young/Maddux/Germano is easily the best 1-4 rotation in baseball. Best starting pitching MLB has seen since Oswalt/Clemens/Pettitte formed the best top three in MLB history two years back. Much like the 2005 Astros, I would not want to face the Padres in the postseason. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan." Last edited by darkhorse; 09-04-2007 at 01:10 PM.

09-05-2007, 05:48 PM	#11
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	The Braves trio pitched more innings to pile up the VORP, so the Houston trio would probably look even better with rate stats. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

09-03-2007, 01:44 AM	#1
Raderick Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,737	Jake Peavy __________________

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bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	He's ghey

09-06-2007, 12:12 PM	#15
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	Two more BB Prospectus stats for comparison......WARP (Wins Above Replacement Player) and SNLVAR (Wins above replacement level adjusted for run support and the quality of the opposing hitters). Code: WARP Clemens 10.4 Pettitte 9.4 Oswalt 9.5 Total 29.3 Maddux 10.3 Smoltz 10.8 Glavine 9.3 Total 30.4 Code: SNLVAR Clemens 9.4 Pettitte 8.6 Oswalt 7.7 Total 25.7 Maddux 8.3 Smoltz 8.3 Glavine 7.9 Total 24.5 __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan." Last edited by darkhorse; 09-06-2007 at 12:14 PM.

09-06-2007, 12:13 PM	#16
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	I'd still go with the Houston trio, but the gap remains small. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan." Last edited by darkhorse; 09-06-2007 at 12:17 PM.

09-06-2007, 11:08 PM	#18
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	8 ER in 4 IP? Jake Peavy sucks on 3 days rest __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB