Baseball Mogul -- 8.0/10 :(

Neags23 · 04-12-2007, 12:14 PM

I don't know if anyone saw this, yet:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sports/ba...ml?sid=6168730

The review does make mention of OOTP, but in the 'Similar Games' column, only Season Ticket is listed -- no OOTP

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True, it's no 5 stars like the OOTP Gamespy review, but I still don't like this...

briantheiceberg · 04-12-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

I don't know if anyone saw this, yet:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sports/ba...ml?sid=6168730

The review does make mention of OOTP, but in the 'Similar Games' column, only Season Ticket is listed -- no OOTP

.

True, it's no 5 stars like the OOTP Gamespy review, but I still don't like this...

Why don't you like it? competition is a GREAT thing. Heck, Madden hasn't done ANY improvements since NFL2k5 was eliminated from the marketplace. Cable industries were bland and unimaginative until Satelite tv took over. Peyton didn't become champ until he beat Tom.

gord · 04-12-2007, 12:50 PM

Personally I don't see this as an 'us vs. them' mentality. Each game has something to offer and those who are inclined to play the game will play it. Obviously, the more that play OOTP benefits us more, but to each his/her own.

Neags23 · 04-12-2007, 01:04 PM

I don't mean to make it an 'us vs. them' battle (though, that is what competition is, and these are two competing products), but realistically, the worse the BM franchise does, the better OOTP should do. And anything that benefits future versions of OOTP benefits my overall entertainment level.

briantheiceberg · 04-12-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

I don't mean to make it an 'us vs. them' battle (though, that is what competition is, and these are two competing products), but realistically, the worse the BM franchise does, the better OOTP should do. And anything that benefits future versions of OOTP benefits my overall entertainment level.

How is it us vs them? Honestly its them v them - unless you're a shareholder in SI or Sega.

Neags23 · 04-12-2007, 01:24 PM

Well, using the proverbial 'us'. Just like any fan of a team says, "Our pitching is terrible this year!" or something of the sort. I say 'us' in this case because I'm a fan of OOTP rather than BM.

But, yes, if you want to get super duper technical, it is them vs. them. I'm just rooting for the first them to win

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sfgiants88 · 04-12-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

I don't mean to make it an 'us vs. them' battle (though, that is what competition is, and these are two competing products), but realistically, the worse the BM franchise does, the better OOTP should do. And anything that benefits future versions of OOTP benefits my overall entertainment level.

I think this is a rather shortsighted mentality. If BM does better, it pushes OOTP to do better as well.

SSG Troyer · 04-12-2007, 01:26 PM

What ticks me off is that BM got reviewed, and OOTP hasn't yet...

OOTP needs the exposure.

Neags23 · 04-12-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sfgiants88

I think this is a rather shortsighted mentality. If BM does better, it pushes OOTP to do better as well.

I wouldn't think that Markus and/or SI would slack off on a version of a game just because the competition stinks. Why should OOTP need their competition right on their heels to make them run a little faster?

Besides, if ever a version isn't up to par, I'm sure the watchdogs around here will let them know about it (a la 2006).

kq76 · 04-12-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

I don't mean to make it an 'us vs. them' battle (though, that is what competition is, and these are two competing products), but realistically, the worse the BM franchise does, the better OOTP should do. And anything that benefits future versions of OOTP benefits my overall entertainment level.

I disagree. The better BM does, the more OOTP can learn from what it does well and incorporate it into OOTP. Also, the more people who try BM, the more people we'll have that eventually convert to OOTP. Remember, Markus has gotten a lot of his best ideas from BM, especially in the beginning (he's probably gotten more from PureSim in the last few years though). And whenever we have a thread asking how people got into OOTP, many say they first found BM, but eventually tried OOTP because they heard it was so much better. Sure, a BM sale this year may be a lost sale this year for OOTP (or it may not be since some people do buy both), but it's also a greater chance of a sale next year.

Killebrew · 04-12-2007, 01:32 PM

FWIW, I love the new Baseball Mogul. It is easy to get into quickly, just like past versions of the game. The PBP game ball graphics are fun, I would bet we see that feature in the next version of OOTP. Depending on near future patches (for both games), I think BM's finances are also a big step up on OOTP as far as offering a genuinely challenging solo game. In the past, BM's trade AI has also been better than OOTP's, and I expect the same thing holds true today. OOTP does a ton of things well and definitely has the potential to be the best game in all these area's, but it's very good for us sim fans to have quality competition.

eriqjaffe · 04-12-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

The review does make mention of OOTP, but in the 'Similar Games' column, only Season Ticket is listed -- no OOTP

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Seems fitting, since BM is a lot more like OOTP3 and 4 than it is OOTP 2007.

MizzouRah · 04-12-2007, 01:48 PM

8.0, I'm not surprised.

CatKnight · 04-12-2007, 01:58 PM

BM and OOTP are different enough that it's not a direct competition. I have both games. In fact, I'm one of the people that, as kq76, migrated here from there. I'm inclined to say that anything that helps any of the baseball sim games helps all of them.

BM's PbP is very pretty...prettier and more interactive than OOTP's. It's also much easier to get into. It doesn't have a 500 page manual to make n00bs eyes widen in terror. It also does historical leagues very, very well.

What it's not as good at is two fold: Detail, where OOTP excels, and customization which is again OOTP's strength. It's much easier to start a fantasy league here than in BM where you're limping through the league editor, and God help you if your city isn't on the list.

BM is prettier. OOTP has more crunchy bits. Personally, my ideal game would combine the interactive ease of BM with the customization ability, financials and other assorted bits from this game. I realize I'm probably in the minority there.

I'm inclined to say this isn't a direct competition. Rivalry? Sure, those are fun and I do think it pushes everyone to keep making better, more intuitive versions of their games ... but I don't see the two companies or groups of players as enemies.

kq76 · 04-12-2007, 02:10 PM

BTW, if the decent 8/10 score does worry you (I usually only play games around a 9.0 from gamespot and OOTP will most likely garner a 9.0+), check out gamespot's "what they say" link and read the "C-" review gameshark gave BM.

Neags23 · 04-12-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

(I usually only play games around a 9.0 from gamespot and OOTP will most likely garner a 9.0+)

Wow, only games with 9.0? That's missing out on a lot of really good games.

kq76 · 04-12-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

Wow, only games with 9.0? That's missing out on a lot of really good games.

Sorry, I must have been rounding up. I should have said around a 9.0. It's not uncommon that I'll try out a game with a 8.7 or better. Less than that, though, and the chances that I'll try the demo out go down drastically. I imagine most people have some rating that they won't try out below.

Besides, if a game really is a lot better than what some review says and it's of a genre I'm interested in, I'll probably find a review elsewhere that is much more favourable or hear enough from others to give it a look.

Reading these boards takes up most of my game playing time, though, so I don't play as many as I used to anyway.

EDIT: No, I did say "around a 9.0" in my last post.

Radsmats · 04-12-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Killebrew

... I would bet we see that feature in the next version of OOTP.

As long as we don't have to decide how much a frickin' hot dog is worth. If I want a concession stand game, I'll buy one. I'm sure somebody has made Overpriced Salty Crap Tycoon by now ... probably even OSCT2.

Seriously though, that's what always drives me away from the BM series. Sims are about letting us create our own little universes, and in my little universe, the first thing I do when I'm put in charge of a baseball team is to hire somebody to run the concession stands so I don't have to.

04-12-2007, 12:14 PM	#1
Neags23 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,577	Baseball Mogul -- 8.0/10 :( I don't know if anyone saw this, yet: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sports/ba...ml?sid=6168730 The review does make mention of OOTP, but in the 'Similar Games' column, only Season Ticket is listed -- no OOTP . True, it's no 5 stars like the OOTP Gamespy review, but I still don't like this... Last edited by Neags23; 04-12-2007 at 12:16 PM.

04-12-2007, 01:26 PM	#8
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	What ticks me off is that BM got reviewed, and OOTP hasn't yet... OOTP needs the exposure. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

04-12-2007, 02:10 PM	#15
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,791	BTW, if the decent 8/10 score does worry you (I usually only play games around a 9.0 from gamespot and OOTP will most likely garner a 9.0+), check out gamespot's "what they say" link and read the "C-" review gameshark gave BM. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

04-12-2007, 12:50 PM	#3
gord Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 361	Personally I don't see this as an 'us vs. them' mentality. Each game has something to offer and those who are inclined to play the game will play it. Obviously, the more that play OOTP benefits us more, but to each his/her own.

04-12-2007, 01:04 PM	#4
Neags23 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,577	I don't mean to make it an 'us vs. them' battle (though, that is what competition is, and these are two competing products), but realistically, the worse the BM franchise does, the better OOTP should do. And anything that benefits future versions of OOTP benefits my overall entertainment level.

04-12-2007, 01:24 PM	#6
Neags23 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,577	Well, using the proverbial 'us'. Just like any fan of a team says, "Our pitching is terrible this year!" or something of the sort. I say 'us' in this case because I'm a fan of OOTP rather than BM. But, yes, if you want to get super duper technical, it is them vs. them. I'm just rooting for the first them to win .

04-12-2007, 01:32 PM	#11
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	FWIW, I love the new Baseball Mogul. It is easy to get into quickly, just like past versions of the game. The PBP game ball graphics are fun, I would bet we see that feature in the next version of OOTP. Depending on near future patches (for both games), I think BM's finances are also a big step up on OOTP as far as offering a genuinely challenging solo game. In the past, BM's trade AI has also been better than OOTP's, and I expect the same thing holds true today. OOTP does a ton of things well and definitely has the potential to be the best game in all these area's, but it's very good for us sim fans to have quality competition.

04-12-2007, 01:48 PM	#13
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	8.0, I'm not surprised.

04-12-2007, 01:58 PM	#14
CatKnight All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,199	BM and OOTP are different enough that it's not a direct competition. I have both games. In fact, I'm one of the people that, as kq76, migrated here from there. I'm inclined to say that anything that helps any of the baseball sim games helps all of them. BM's PbP is very pretty...prettier and more interactive than OOTP's. It's also much easier to get into. It doesn't have a 500 page manual to make n00bs eyes widen in terror. It also does historical leagues very, very well. What it's not as good at is two fold: Detail, where OOTP excels, and customization which is again OOTP's strength. It's much easier to start a fantasy league here than in BM where you're limping through the league editor, and God help you if your city isn't on the list. BM is prettier. OOTP has more crunchy bits. Personally, my ideal game would combine the interactive ease of BM with the customization ability, financials and other assorted bits from this game. I realize I'm probably in the minority there. I'm inclined to say this isn't a direct competition. Rivalry? Sure, those are fun and I do think it pushes everyone to keep making better, more intuitive versions of their games ... but I don't see the two companies or groups of players as enemies.